Like "Well Pam I am moving on because my intent here is to educate others about oxidative stress and its contribution to diabetic complications and how reversing oxidative stress can and will reverse diabetic complications and the only product I have found that significantly reverses oxidative stress is Immunocal. I am not saying it is the only way but it is the only way that I have found.I would like to hear from anyone else who has found a way.Thanks for your input Pam"