By egbrown Latest Reply 2013-06-24 09:32:24 -0500
Started 2011-02-16 10:18:20 -0600

Would anyone like to know about it? I know you have all been told there is no cure and medicine can only give you drugs but thats not true. I know there are those that will throw rocks at this messenger saying get out of here liar, but I say let the truth be known and let the drug companies earn money by helping people not destroying lives. Diabetes has become and epidemic and something needs to be done about taking people out of the dark.

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Armourer 2011-05-09 10:29:48 -0500 Report

Last time I heard this was eleven years ago when I went for the first time to a well known endo. Doc who was well respected. He told me to lose 20 pounds and my diabetes would go away. I lost 43 pounds and my diabetes was worse then ever. I didn't see another endo Doc for eight years.

June Tademy
June Tademy 2011-05-08 13:34:28 -0500 Report

Well, I have read this post and replies and found no meat in this at all, it appears to me it was just an exchange of words from both sides and I did not get anything out of it at all. I do think that Mr. Brown's discussion turned out to be a debate and not anything that was helpful, to me at least, from either side. Simply, he thinks there is a cure and some do not think there is a cure, are we not suppose to express ourselves without anger, if we do not agree just do not respond..Bottom line for me is … Is there a cure or not????

Somoca 2011-05-08 12:18:01 -0500 Report

If that's true, Ihave a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you, real cheap.

jayabee52 2011-05-08 12:27:48 -0500 Report

There's no need to bust his chops. The way I read him he's just trying to be of help to us PWDs. If you read the whole discussion and replies, we got pretty heated at times. My take on it is that what he mean as "cure" and what many of us PWDs regard as "cure" are different.


johnyeap 2011-02-23 07:26:27 -0600 Report

At the moment there is no medication to cure diabetes type one or two. Just take of your diet and exercise , quit smoking and get away from alkohol

Tigereyze209 2011-02-22 23:57:25 -0600 Report

I don't know if you can call it a 'cure' so much as a promising treatment, but there is a doctor I heard of on the news in Orlando Florida a while back, who was showing some very promising results using adult stem cells to re-grow insulin islets in peoples pancreas. And it was more of implanting the cells into your existing organ, not doing a transplant. Kind of a booster, and as I understand it, the cells are grown from your own tissue, so little chance of rejection. Defiantly on the money pointing out that the treatment is very experimental. Still, it does give one reason for optimism and hope.

PetiePal 2011-02-21 13:34:06 -0600 Report

Any cure for diabetes at this point is highly experimental. I've seen some type 1's get pancreas transplants which have worked for them…but for a Type 2, diet, exercise and close monitoring is the only way for now. There is no "magic cure" for diabetes but it doesn't have to run your life!

tj101 2011-05-09 07:39:56 -0500 Report

hi petie i agree a cure woul be great but till its here d b is our shado every thing we do or dont do is be cause we have diabetes if you ask me diabetes is in my frount seat and im driving have a great day

Mimiewal 2011-02-20 08:20:19 -0600 Report

show it to me then let me decide if its accurate…because diabetes is a dangerous thing to play around with..

Mimiewal 2011-02-20 08:21:30 -0600 Report

oh wait dont tell me I have to pay to find out wat the cure is? If thats the case, then wats the difference between you & the drug companies?

jayabee52 2011-02-22 16:22:23 -0600 Report

Mr Brown is saying that eating a totally raw foods diet will "cure" your DM.

I disagree that it is a cure. It iis a control, but not a cure. The argument has seemed to be mostly about semantics.

cdefatta 2011-02-18 11:19:25 -0600 Report

you can not CURE a pancreas taht is damaged and does not produce enough insulin!! good luck on getting a replacement.

joy h.
joy h. 2011-02-18 09:36:48 -0600 Report

Be careful anyone when going "all natural", after all many poisons are "all natural". I have an alternative doctor that was first an M.D. who was taught well our western approach to medicine. He will send his patients elsewhere if necessary, but so far he's helped me tremendously with multiple health issues. No matter what you have going on I recommend a consult with a really good alternative medicine doctor. Oh, and sorry that I worded my last post incorrectly. I believe all type 2's can REVERSE their diabetes with proper management. And I agree that not all diabetics are willing to do the work. I was raised with -"just do your best"- and I agree that with all of the garbage foods that are shoved in front of us daily it's a hard row to hoe most of the time. Farmers markets are my best friends and I have found that I eat less when I eat raw. Keep it positive everyone-please! We are all on a learning journey here.

kdroberts 2011-02-18 09:47:36 -0600 Report

I agree about all natural and even organic, the certification doesn't mean much now. Even farmers markets are becoming dubious as a lot are buying in lower quality, poorly grown produce to supplement the things they grow or source from 'good' farmers.

However, reverse and cure are essentially the same thing. If you mean that you can get blood sugars in control using diet and exercise and help with any complications that have already happened them I'm with you, if you mean that you can make it go away or reverse it back to before you had it then I'm not with you.

Sonya Slim
Sonya Slim 2011-02-18 06:15:53 -0600 Report

There is help out there beyond your doctor. There is no "cure" for diabetes. Eating fresh foods and keeping active helps manage your diabetes. If you are like me fresh foods are a little tough to manage with a busy life, even if you eat fresh foods from the standard grocery store they do not have as many nutrients as they did years ago.

Research and Studies are the key. Ask your doctor about products that exist in the Physicians Desk Reference that are all natural and make sure to take vitamin supplements. There are many very respectable companies who sell great products. Choose the ones you like but be sure you know what you are getting for your money and there return policy.

I think anyone with diabetes is always willing to share information and some with diabetes do have a monetary vested interest. But this is not why they do it. They share it because it worked for them and they want to help you. Don't judge until you have done your research.

GabbyPA 2011-02-18 05:30:37 -0600 Report

Ok, I have been following this post and I have to say that everyone is missing the point.

Choosing a healthy lifestyle is our goal. Some of us are willing to go the extra mile to do that, a lot of us are not. Don't get defensive about a possible treatment that is just too hard for you. It can work as a treatment. Many things get touted as cures and are not, but the fact remains that they are very effective treatments. If I were able to attend a seminar/workshop where every bit of food that went into my body was pure and healthy like that, I would do fantastic. Could I maintain it when I returned to my real world, that is where the hard part would come in.

The program that is being talked about here has been around for years and is in fact the program that got me on a path to better eating. It helped me understand that our grocery stores are as full of garbage as our pharmacies are. You have to choose wisely. This program inspired me to try vegan for a month. I admit, I failed at it. It is a very hard lifestyle to do without support from family and a very large grocery budget.

All this program is about is getting back to eating the way our bodies were intended to eat. Raw, whole, organic foods without the processed foods we poison our bodies with every day. It goes far beyond counting carbs and choosing to not eat white rice. It is primal, but so are we.

I would not recommend this as fully to a type 1 diabetic, as there are different issues at hand, but the fact still remains. Eating healthy is the point. Feeling better and having better control is the goal. It is a commitment to a lifestyle and that is where many of us fall down. We are not willing or able to follow this program. And the honest truth about it is that it is because we think it is too hard.

Our boards are here to offer opinions. If you don't agree with them that is fine, but belittling anyone is not what we are here for. And I am speaking to both sides on this post.

Don't let the word "cure" make you throw out the baby with the bath water. This is a good program that many of us could benefit from, even if it is on a smaller scale.

VickieF 2011-02-18 11:42:39 -0600 Report

Gabby, I think you are missing the point. He has been acting very rude with his nasty remarks and name calling. That is what everyone finds offensive. It is not a cure it is aform of controlling it. Ok We get that. The fact that he would rather call names and be rude, refussing to explain his point of view (Which We Are Willing to listen to). He has stated more than once that Diet is the only reason for diabetes T2.
He should get his facts straight before he spouts off. He needs to get up and dust his manners off and we would not have a problem.

GabbyPA 2011-02-21 12:08:25 -0600 Report

I have read all the posts and I found 2 that were name calling. I agree that is not right, but also see that everyone is attacking him as well and that will cause a defensive response. I am not saying it is right, but if a discussion is not to your liking, simply don't add to the fire. There have been rude comments on both sides and that takes away from the content of the discussion.

Jeannie Holmes
Jeannie Holmes 2011-02-17 18:17:07 -0600 Report

If you are cured why would you want to hang around here making people mad. Or is that what you do?

jayabee52 2011-02-17 21:29:25 -0600 Report

I've been following this thread from almost its start. Mr Brown admitted that he does NOT have DM. I do think he's attempting to be helpful by sharing what he thinks might help us. Fortunately for him he does not have DM. Unfortunately he does not know what we live with, and I don't think he knows how to communicate all that well. And note his original posting was rather defensive, expecting a fight, and he has followed true to form this whole discussion. When someone starts putting people down it is a sign of frustration because he has no answers. Folks have been asking for proof, but so far he gives what I would call propaganda by way of youtube links.

VickieF 2011-02-17 20:06:04 -0600 Report

Jeannie, the man likes to put others down is all. If someone asks him for his own opinion he gets mad and spouts nasty stuff. If you agree with him he is nice to you.
It would seem to me that he would try to express his opinions in a possitive manner if he really wanted people to listen to him. I for one am tired of his bad manners.

joy h.
joy h. 2011-02-17 11:55:14 -0600 Report

I agree that if you are a type 2 diabetic you CAN cure yourself. However, Dr. Whitikers' book says that us type 1 diabetics are always terminal - no cure - just deal with it. I've spent so much time and money dealing with type 1, I am very frustrated that I haven't had better control. The South Beach Diet has worked best for me. I'm an organic believer. And NO white flour products. No juices. Just fresh - fresh - fresh veggies and fruits!!!!!! Go lightly on meat protein and heavier on beans and wild caught fish.

jayabee52 2011-02-17 21:31:51 -0600 Report

Howdy Joy, please define what you mean by "cure" for t2s? Let's get our definitions clear, then we can talk intelligently.

egbrown 2011-02-17 13:27:38 -0600 Report

I am with you on that however I have seen people that say their type 1 one was cured and don't ask me how because I do not know, all I know is modern medicine is clueless unless it involves a drug. If I were you I would do some greens juicing. Brussell sprouts are very good along with wheat grass and other greens. Give it a try, nothing to lose.

kdroberts 2011-02-17 12:25:55 -0600 Report

Type 1 isn't terminal unless you make it terminal, there are simple ways to manage it. There's enough in this tread about curing type 2 so I won't add to that.

Wild caught fish may or may not be good, it depends on the fish and where it was caught.

Anonymous 2011-02-17 12:14:37 -0600 Report

I agree on Wild cought fish; because thy are as thy is (FRESH). you don't worry about steriods.

egbrown 2011-02-17 13:29:07 -0600 Report

Farm raised fish are to be avoided.

GabbyPA 2011-02-17 22:35:48 -0600 Report

The reason for avoiding farm raised fish is because they feed them an un natural diet that is filled with GMO grains. Same with our beef, chicken and most package meats. Buy local, buy organic, buy hormone free...it's hard but it is better for us in the long run.

kdroberts 2011-02-17 14:49:55 -0600 Report

Even when it's proven to be very high in mercury and depleting the supply to near extinction? What about the wild caught stuff that destroys the marine environment and kills a lot more than just what gets caught? Wild does not always mean better.

Steve45694 2011-02-17 13:15:58 -0600 Report

I live next to the Ohio River I wouldn't eat nothing out of that water… To many chemicals and other floaties in there for me… No thanks! Now farm raised fish is a good way I guess. I'm with Mr. Roberts depending where the fish come from and what type of fish.

deisel00 2011-02-18 11:12:30 -0600 Report

maybe you miss under stood what i'am saying. read it again. farm raised fish are fed stariods. I know the OHIO RIVER, MY ex-wife is from zanesville.

CarolynVB 2011-02-17 11:33:27 -0600 Report

It was suggested to me yesterday by a nutritionist (also our local pharmacist) and Diabetic Coordinator to try The Maker's Diet, also known as the "Bible Diet". I think that is similar to what you've described.

GabbyPA 2011-02-17 22:33:51 -0600 Report

There is also one called the Cave man diet that returns us to foraging types of foods and eating seasonally and only what you can find locally. Nothing is cooked and it does work well. It takes great will power and I do believe that you need your whole family to be a support in it, or it will fail, unless you are wealthy enough to purchase for both eating styles.

Just because of a misrepresentation of Cure vs Control is here, it doesn't mean that it won't work. I am convinced that it can work, but it takes much intestinal fortitude to do it.

CarolynVB 2011-02-17 23:57:19 -0600 Report

I tried to get my family to "work with me" doing the Maker's Diet. We made it one weekend with turkey bacon and I had a revolt on my hands. I have changed my breakfast to a 7 grain hot cereal with nuts and fruit - I had to force myself to each 1/2 of my lunch because I was still satisfied and my blood sugar level was perfect, which is huge since it ranges from 70-207. I am fortunate to live in a community that has three local farmer's markets within a 20 minute drive from me. I am looking forward to summer - that's for sure.

GabbyPA 2011-02-18 05:11:31 -0600 Report

I hear you there. I have to admit, eating my greens is easier in the summer when salads are eagerly looked forward to. That is why I add greens to my smoothies in the winter because I know I don't eat enough of them in winter. I crave all the bad things in life when the weather is cold. LOL!

MAYS 2011-02-17 07:49:29 -0600 Report

Documented, medical proof?

egbrown 2011-02-17 10:02:12 -0600 Report

You mean like the drug companies do with a 180 billion dollar yearly profit? Have you ever tried this to prove it works or not? You can be the living breathing talking proof.

jayabee52 2011-02-17 22:40:42 -0600 Report

Mr Brown, such a response is a smokescreen. You simply don't answer the question directly here. I for one, would prefer following what works to control my DM and keep it at bay than follow some plan that is merely anecdotal in claimed effectiveness.

GabbyPA 2011-02-17 22:51:24 -0600 Report

Medicine is very broad and there are many natural medicines or practices that we don't do because it is easier and often cheaper to take a pill. Our doctors are taught to treat the symptoms, not stop the causes, so in that way, I am ALWAYS trying to find ways to get rid of the pills that are just poisons to my body. Even my doctor told me that is what they are. Legal, diluted poisons that are put into our bodies.

We need to wake up to that fact. I am not saying don't take your meds if that is what your treatment plan is based on. But there is nothing wrong with trying to let nature take care of our bodies. It is our un-natural foods that we consume currently that contribute greatly to our cycle of drug dependency and that is the case for many chronic illnesses. We may be predisposed to it, but our lifestyles certainly can exasperate it.

Put aside the concept of cure and just look at it as a healthier way to live. We all could use that even if we are not diabetic. I am a strong believer in anecdotal results. They are often done without the prejudice of "sponsored studies" and as we do in our lives every day...we observe our patterns and habits.

jayabee52 2011-02-18 05:36:19 -0600 Report

there ARE legitimate studies which are NOT "sponsored studies." Right now nature (including my human nature) is not doing too good a job. Perhaps when first Dx'd it might have worked but my condition is too far gone. I would love to try, but as humpty dumpty found out, you can't un break an egg.

GabbyPA 2011-02-18 05:51:57 -0600 Report

Just because you are not able to participate doesn't mean that others should not be afforded the opportunity. I would also challenge you to find a study that is not sponsored by a pharmaceutical company. I used to participate in clinical trials that were done by universities for education and research. Now, all that I have looked into are run by companies that remove much objectivity from the studies. And if you have looked at the record of the FDA, I would not put much credence behind that either. I'm telling you....do some research on the corruption in the FDA. It will make your stomach churn and your blood boil.

I guess what I am trying to say is like this.
You exercise to help with your control, not to become Mr Universe. Our ultimate goals are control and we use tools to get there. The more "broken" I am, the more I want to try things that will offer me control. It is not a matter of CURE, it is a matter of Control. Let it be called what ever you want, it is still a healthy lifestyle choice.

kdroberts 2011-02-18 11:56:33 -0600 Report

There are literally thousands of studies not funded by drug companies. Obviously ones that revolve around testing a specific drug for FDA approval or follow up reasons are but there are many, many more that aren't. Many are sponsored by diabetes charities, private donors (such as the Iacocca Foundation run by the family behind Olivio), universities and government agencies. For instance Trialnet and the Chicago Diabetes Project are funded by many sources but I haven't seen any money from a drug company going to them. Both are researching diabetes and cures.

apeape 2011-02-17 03:40:28 -0600 Report

everyone is different & what works for one might not work for another. i'm not getting cured until they figure out how to give me a new pancreas. i'm hoping for a robot pancreas so i can be a cyborg!!!

0tina0 2011-02-16 23:00:17 -0600 Report

Wow…I don't have a pancrease…there is no cure for me no matter what I eat.

melissa5786 2011-02-17 08:16:48 -0600 Report

Same for me. I have enough usable pancreas that I can digest food. But even that was iffy for awhile. So no type of diet will ever "cure" my diabetes. I wouldn't even be diabetic if it weren't for my pancreas.

mkhojh99 2011-02-16 22:36:29 -0600 Report

ok but lets think about U tube…any joe blow off the strret can post whatever he wants on there…I can dress up in a nice outfit and say some mumble jumble about curing all dieases. I mean really??? you quote U tube? Everyone has their opinions so why come at everyone like this…you could of pointed out or asked instead of attacking people about a raw fod diet…if your not a diabetic or anything why are you on a diabetic website??????? Also he lists no conditions or anything on his profile…

GabbyPA 2011-02-16 21:48:38 -0600 Report

Wow, I missed a lively discussion today I see.

I do believe that eating RAW is great...I tried it for a month and I will tell you it is also very HARD on my schedule. I try to incorporate many of the things into my diet and keep whole raw foods plentiful in my diet. I DOES help, but it doesn't CURE. Why we get so hung up on that just amazes me. I will take good control, but I will be honest, living with a family that refuses to do Raw makes it far too expensive to try to prepare food for one and then for the rest of the family.

I do agree that our American diets are killing us on many levels. It is a huge contributing factor to it, but there are other predispositions that are involved as well, and those are the things that can't seem to be overcome at this point. I long for the day when that will be the case. Specially for Type 1's.

egbrown 2011-02-17 13:33:28 -0600 Report

The best way to do raw is with juicing. You can use raw milk whey for protien mixed with wheat grass,barley,cabbage, or some other greens and it will help big time. Do it enough for long enough and it is my belief it will cure.

GabbyPA 2011-02-17 22:29:14 -0600 Report

I do like greens and they are not bad at all. It is an acquired taste but they are good for you. I will add them to my smoothies. I am not a fan of juicing though, and try to consume my raw foods whole, not in juice form. I still struggle with my numbers and I don't eat all raw. I do agree that it helps control. Like many have said, if you eat raw and then return to a poor diet, you will see that the diabetes was just under control, not gone. And even raw and healthy for some does not give aid to unfavorable numbers.

melissa5786 2011-02-16 21:04:20 -0600 Report

Once a diabetic, always a diabetic.

There are plenty of ways to manage it and not be on medications or insulin. But, you still have diabetes.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but this doesn't sound much like and opinion than a sales pitch to me. It's selling false hope. Not all the same things work for everyone. State what you do and suggest someone give it a try themselves, but don't go around spouting that what you do is THE CURE for this disease.

Percy Jackson
Percy Jackson 2011-02-17 07:04:35 -0600 Report

Can we be friends?

melissa5786 2011-02-17 08:15:37 -0600 Report

Of course :)

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