How long for a Type 2 to control sugar without meds?

RedGloves
By RedGloves Latest Reply 2011-02-19 18:30:38 -0600
Started 2011-01-05 13:55:45 -0600

I have been diagnose for about three weeks now. At first, I started eating correctly, exercised, added some supplements and left one off and my sugar lowered quickly. But, of course, if was the holidays. I didn't eat stuff I shouldn't, but I also was not on a good routine and since I go to a gym near my work, I didn't exercise much. So now, I'm back on routine (for only three days), but I don't know how long I should expect it to take to get under some kind of control. I test three days a week fasting and two hours after dinner. This morning I was 136. I've been higher recently, and as high as 190 two hours after dinner. I wish there was a forum out here for people not on meds. I guess the experience is quite a bit different . . . Hope I can stay on this track.


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Neese*2
Neese*2 2011-02-19 18:03:48 -0600 Report

I was diagnosed in September 09 and was told by my doctor that I had to loose 27 to 30 pounds. So I immediately started taking control of my eating habits and started exercising. Three months later I went back to see my doctor and he check my blood, my ACL was high and check my weight, he was amaze that I have lost 7 pounds since he last saw me. I went from being 204 lbs. to 177 lbs. My blood sugar is low when I check it every morning and after dinner before I go to bed. My goal is to get my weight at 160lbs and manage it at that level.

digitaldoorbell
digitaldoorbell 2011-01-17 20:07:46 -0600 Report

I was diagnosed in August. I take no meds for Type 2. I had very good success until recently. Developed neuropathy. Started taking presnisone (which I am coming off of in the next few days) and neurontin. I expect to be down to the same numbers you have again. Even with prednisone, which is reknown for raising BG and even causing Type 2 I have been doing pretty will.

Just keep doing what you're doing. It sounds like you will do extremely well.

Scott

tabby9146
tabby9146 2011-01-16 12:45:24 -0600 Report

It won't take long, if you exercise and eat right most days. I too control it by diet and exercise only. I was diagnosed two years ago this past November and have been doing well ever since, except lately, my numbers are higher first thing in the morning than they were for a year and a half. I am not sure why. I call 90s high, or 100, because my numbers were in the 80s or low 90s when I was first getting it under control and for so long afterward. Numbers are still pretty much the same any other time of day.

BandonBob
BandonBob 2011-01-10 11:32:15 -0600 Report

I was able to control my blood sugar with diet and exercise only for the first 15 tears I have had diabetes type 2.

tabby9146
tabby9146 2011-01-16 12:47:26 -0600 Report

so no matter how well you stuck to exercise and diet, after 15 years, it did not help?

BandonBob
BandonBob 2011-01-16 14:22:45 -0600 Report

I think it helped greatly because for those 15 years I kept my sugar under control and kept all the bad things that can happen away. As the control slipped I added one medicine at a time trying to still keep it under control. I still use diet and exercise to keep under control along with the meds. Without the diet and exercise I can't imagine what would happen to the diabetes and the treatment needed

RedGloves
RedGloves 2011-01-07 12:25:54 -0600 Report

Well, I hope I can start testing and see how individual foods affect me soon.

I was diagnosed in Dec and my insurance didn't start covering my stuff until the first (they changed the brand of meters they supported), so I started trying to get more lancets, and I had to go to Walgreens FOUR times before I got them, which was a long, ugly story, which included me having to spend long times in the drive-in line, and lots and lots of stress and anger. When I got them home, they were the wrong ones for my meter! My dr. had messed up my perscripton!

So I am still waiting until I can really test correctly. My blood was still up to 145 fasting this morning, but I lost four pounds this week!

CaliKo
CaliKo 2011-01-07 12:41:27 -0600 Report

Congrats on the four pounds! That's plenty for one week. I think it took me a month to get my fasting number down to where I wanted it when I first started testing. I'm diet and exercise controlled so far myself, and two years since diagnosis. I think the fasting number is the most difficult to manage, but you'll get there. I had to experiment with the bedtime snack to get one that would help with the fasting number. Fruit at night gave me horrible numbers, I need a whole grain snack, sometimes with a little fat or protein. I like those little mini-whole wheat bagels and Central Market's whole wheat tortillas. I'm going to attempt making tortillas this weekend. My Cook's Country cooking magazine had instructions for them this month, and I don't see why it wouldn't work with whole wheat flour. Anyway, I'll have a mini-bagel or a tortilla with a little butter or cheese or peanut butter (small portions!). Almond butter is probably a better choice than peanut butter. Good luck!

MISS TWINKLES
MISS TWINKLES 2011-01-06 08:16:32 -0600 Report

Hi,
I am new here, but I know a little about diabetes. I know that you can take 1000 units 2x's a day and it helps with sugar control and if you get the cinnamon with chromium it will help with your weight also. I also take flaxseed capsules and this has helped with my cholesterol and irritable bowel syndrome. And I encourage people to have their vit. d levels checked, this also controls your sugar levels and alot of other things in the body. A normal persons level should be 30, mine was 7, and i had no energy and stayed sick alot. And you have to ask your doctor to run this test too, otherwise they just do the minimum blood work. I hope i can help with some opinions in this area. I lost my mom last year, and she took alot of meds, and those meds shut her liver down. I'm not big on meds that a doctor prescribes because they all affect your liver. vitamins can sit in your gut and pass through without ever doing anything for you. i mainly take the cinnamon w/ chromium, flaxseed oil, and vit. d, these have helped me more than insulin, and pills. And Kirla is right you have to find what works best for yourself, we are all different.

Francisca F
Francisca F 2011-01-06 17:13:39 -0600 Report

Really good advice about the cinnamon with chromium. I'm going to add the vitamin d and flaxeed to my regimen.

RedGloves
RedGloves 2011-01-07 07:01:29 -0600 Report

I use as much fax as possible in my cooking . . . but I need to get the cinnamon pills . . . maybe today!

RedGloves
RedGloves 2011-01-06 09:57:19 -0600 Report

Thanks for the advice. I was actually taking a lot of D before I was diagnosed, although my dr. discouraged it. I have been reading about the cinnamon, but read one place that it doesn't work on postmenopausal women. I will try it though. I already take these supplements and maybe a few more:

Magnesium
Calcium
Zinc
Vitamin B complex
Vitamin B 6 (50 mg)
Vitamin C (1-3 grams)
Vitamin B 12 (2-3 grams)
Vitamin E
Fish Oil
Vitamin D
Ginsing

I am trying to add a lot of vinegar to my diet. I am lucky that I love fish and really like to cook healthy, sea-coast-type food. I hope this all works!

CaliKo
CaliKo 2011-01-06 17:20:14 -0600 Report

Hi RedGloves, You might want to do some research on calcium. When I went to my doctor last October he said the current recommendation is to remove calcium supplements unless you are at risk for osteoporosis. Something about increased risk of heart attacks. Here's one article:
http://www.webmd.com/heart/news/20100729/stud...

RedGloves
RedGloves 2011-01-07 07:00:38 -0600 Report

Well, I am at risk of osteoporosis, and my dr has been telling me to take calcium for a long time, so I think, for me, it stays . . .

CaliKo
CaliKo 2011-01-07 09:26:12 -0600 Report

Yeah, me too. I'm a -1.9 on the bone density test. I jog some now and work out with weights, in addition to the calcium supplements. Hopefully my number will be better when I re-test in 2012. I don't really care for this aging thing.

jayabee52
jayabee52 2011-01-10 11:35:46 -0600 Report

She got THAT right!

OTOH as a Christian, the "retirement" benefits are "out of this world"!
But I am wanting to be here for a while longer, to be sure.

jayabee52
jayabee52 2011-01-10 11:54:20 -0600 Report

Yep, and Jem is waiting for me there, and she can now see, and all her medical problems are no more! Mine will be gone too! I am eager to go, but OTOH I am not hastening the day either. My Lord decides when I am done here. If I'm still breathing, I'm not done! Still has something for me to do.

Francisca F
Francisca F 2011-01-06 17:10:34 -0600 Report

The doctors do not like vitamins but I take them anyway. I am still struggling 4 years in but it has helped with my cholesterol. I take red yeast rice for it. I am going to try what miss twinkles suggest.

jayabee52
jayabee52 2011-01-07 00:03:59 -0600 Report

Calcium, technically is a mineral, not a vitamin. You CAN do damage to your body if you take the wrong minerals & vitamins or even if they're right for you can be dangerous if you megadose on those supplements.

MISS TWINKLES
MISS TWINKLES 2011-01-08 18:49:00 -0600 Report

I completely agree about mega dosing. i get 5000 units of vit. d, and 1000 units of cinnamon with chromium, and also 1000 units of flax seed capsules and i take them usually 2 times a day with the exception of the vit. d i only take it once a day. vitamin d can be extremely dangerous to play with and cause lots of problems instead of helping you. so i encourage anyone to take it as it is written on the bottle. i have been on these supplements for 2 years and i have lost 82 pounds since this past April. i weighed a bounding 315 pounds and was in a size 46 in pants, i am now in a size 18. people you have to drink plenty of water too, this keeps your body flushed out plus it is good for you. tea, coffee, and colas are not a substitute for water. as a matter of fact these drinks will dehydrate your bodies, ask any doctor. caffiene will dehydrate you, so be careful.

jayabee52
jayabee52 2011-01-08 23:52:16 -0600 Report

My Dr put me on 100 IU of D3 & 1000 IU of folic acid.

I used to drink a lot of diet soda (but not diet cola because of my kidneys), a lot of Decaf tea, & decaf coffee. But I have decided to cut way back on the decaf coffee & tea, like maybe 1 or 2 cups / wk. I've cut out artificial sweeteners and diet soft drinks altogether.

Kirla
Kirla 2011-01-05 18:19:27 -0600 Report

RedGloves

Thanks

Good luck
Kevin

RedGloves
RedGloves 2011-01-05 20:45:00 -0600 Report

Thanks for all of your advice, Kevin. When my dr. ordered a fasting glucose test, I knew what she was testing for, so I started doing research, and I thought I would be testing foods like all of you advise, and was very surprised to hear my dr. and nurse tell me to only test occasionally. Maybe they're not used to people who don't want to just take meds, but want to control it themselves. I saw a piece on TV news lately saying that all Baby Boomers should eat like I need to eat. I also have heart issues, so I don't eat fat, beef or pork, and I'd thought of putting the foods I created into a cookbook, but wondered who would have all my dietary restrictions. I will need this board for a while, but if I'm as successful as you, hopefully, I'll be able to leave it behind eventually. Good luck out there, and I'm going to check out your blog!

Kirla
Kirla 2011-01-06 18:55:10 -0600 Report

Thanks

My doctor said I didn’t need to test. Just said to take my pills and make another appointment. Haven’t seem him in over a year and a half now. Will find a new doctor soon. I think doctors like putting people on pills. If on pills you need blood work every 3-6 months like clockwork. Doctors keep you coming back.

I found drinking the water, eating low carb vegetables and testing, the most important things you could do to control your blood sugar. I eat chicken and fish a lot. Only eat beef and pork once in a while. Fat makes up 60% of my total calories. But saturated fat makes up less than 10% of my total calories. Other wise my cholesterol goes up over 200. Saturated fat is one thing I disagree with Atkins about.

Good luck
Kevin

jayabee52
jayabee52 2011-01-05 20:57:49 -0600 Report

Hello again, Red. Since you have heart issues, you might want to check out a sister site to DC called Heart Connect. You can find a link to Heart Connect in the upper right of this page in the black band at the top with white letters "visit another community" Select the community you would like, and sign in using your DC community nickname and password. (same for any of these communities). You may find some of the people from DC there, and a whole lot of new people there. You might find that site useful and enjoyable too.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2011-01-05 18:00:14 -0600 Report

Three weeks is not a long time and with the Holidays mixed in there you still need to give it time. I worked on my numbers with diet and exercise only for over 9 months before I was able to see a doctor. He put me on meds, and to be honest, the meds have brought me down some, but I am still not where we want to be. So it takes time, hard work, commitment from you and your doctor.

Francisca F
Francisca F 2011-01-06 17:16:40 -0600 Report

Gabby, I know how you feel. My body fights me all the way. I've been diabetic 4 years and I spent the first 2 years mad and ate what i wanted. The last 2 years i've put a lot more effort into it and I still fall short. So fustrating at times.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2011-01-06 20:55:18 -0600 Report

I think my trouble is that no mater how much my pancreas is putting out, my body is so insulin resistant it doesn't seem to matter. In fact, it seems to be getting worse. I need something to work from that end.

RedGloves
RedGloves 2011-01-07 12:14:56 -0600 Report

Do you exercise much? I haven't been regular enough at it yet to see if that really works for me. I'm hoping if I lose weight and build muscle mass, that side will work better . . .

Gabby
GabbyPA 2011-01-08 21:32:47 -0600 Report

Yes, I walk every day and will do other exercise in the week if I am ambitious. My diabetes job jar has cards in it to add some exercise time to my regular routine and some things to change it up a bit. So I do exercise every day, but now my body is getting used to what I do.

jayabee52
jayabee52 2011-01-05 14:58:18 -0600 Report

Howdy "Red"
There are people with diabetes (""PWDs) who can and do control their t 2 with diet and exercise. There are also PWDs who cannot, because their Diabetes ("DM") is advanced beyond the point they can reasonably do that.

Really you are asking us a question that should be asked of your Dr & DM care team. If you want to try to do it without use of drugs, you should ask your Dr about a trial run for a time without antiglycemic agents. (Medications)

One of the recurring themes I've noticed on DC is that EVERY PWD is unique. What works for you may not necessarily work for me and vice versa. We can only share what worked for us and encourage others to try it and see if it works for them. There are a couple of members here on DC who spring to my mind who are successfully controlling their DM without medication. One of them goes by the handle of "Skip P" another is "Kirla". You can go to your friends list on your profile click the link "see all" When that page loads you'll see a ltab at middle of top page "Browse members". When that page loads you will see a set of abs 1 down from the top of the page which will say "Community nickname" On the right hand side of that page there will be a rectangular text box where you could put in the community nickname and click on the spyglass icon in the green box to the right of the text box. I looked up Kirla and he came up. Click on his name & you'll get his profile. You might wish to click on the link "add to friends" so you could use the DC email system to get in touch with him when he accepts you as a friend. You could also look at his activity (1st page on his profile) and read what he's been posting. You'll get a lot of pointers about controlling DM without meds. At the bottom of activities page you may find a link that takes you to older posts.

You might also want to click on the "About Me" tab on his profile. He has a link to a blog he has written as to what he had done and is doing to control his DM without meds. That may be valuable reading to you.

You could also follow the steps for Skip P also. Those are the 2 members who spring to my mind when the question of controlling DM without meds.

I pray you find success in your quest to live without medications to control your DMt2.

Blessings to you and yours

James

RedGloves
RedGloves 2011-01-05 15:10:40 -0600 Report

Thank both of you for your advice. James, I am on a trial period, but my dr. doesn't know much about diabetes. I'm thinking of changing. and kdroberts, my dr. told me to just test in the mornings and my education nurse told me three times a week fasting and two hrs after dinner. I've been wondering about that. I have options now that my insurance included my meter on the lst. Before that, I was rationing . . .

The nurse also told me when I asked that it's kind of like every day is a new beginning and what you do that day results that day's or the next day's outcomes, and I guess I was asking if you guys see some cumulative effects in eating and living correctly. I'm really trying to shed pounds and build muscle—seems like the results of that would add up. Not sure about cululative effects of diet . . .

My father controlled his diabetes for years with diet, so I'm really hoping I can. I already eating healthy for my heart and I really enjoy veggies and fish, etc., so I'm really hoping that with weight loss and diet and exercise, I'll be OK.

jayabee52
jayabee52 2011-01-05 16:02:00 -0600 Report

Well, Red, if you really want to control your DM you should follow KD's suggestion (I was going to suggest it too, but forgot because of the length of my post). Let your Dr know how many times per month you want to test. (be generous) and ask him to write the 'scrip for that many strips per month. Be generous because you will want to test for your reactions to certain foods, and you will need a minimum of 2 per each food for which you test your reaction. The ins co may balk at that, but if so have your Dr argue it is necessary to control your DM without need of meds, thus saving them money.

Yes I have seen cumulative effects of eating and living correctly. Unfortunately I do still need insulin to control my DM. But I don't need as much insulin to regulate my BG#s. And if I get off track somethow, it takes a bit of time to get back under control.

It is definitely better to control your DMt2 without meds for as long as you can, as oral glycemic agents may have unwanted side effects, & insulins have been implicated in putting fat on a patients body.

Good fortune to you in your quest to live sans meds!

Blessings!
James

kdroberts
kdroberts 2011-01-05 14:56:27 -0600 Report

If you are trying to get control without medications you need to test a lot more than you are now. Many people with type 2 are able to manage very well with diet and exercise but it involves finding out what foods work and don't work for you which means more frequent testing, at least at first. Try testing before and after each meal, alternate between 1 and 2 hours after to try and figure out how high you are peaking. Since diet and exercise changes are pretty mush immediate you should start seeing results the very first day you get back on your routine.

RedGloves
RedGloves 2011-01-05 15:10:26 -0600 Report

Thank both of you for your advice. James, I am on a trial period, but my dr. doesn't know much about diabetes. I'm thinking of changing. and kdroberts, my dr. told me to just test in the mornings and my education nurse told me three times a week fasting and two hrs after dinner. I've been wondering about that. I have options now that my insurance included my meter on the lst. Before that, I was rationing . . .

The nurse also told me when I asked that it's kind of like every day is a new beginning and what you do that day results that day's or the next day's outcomes, and I guess I was asking if you guys see some cumulative effects in eating and living correctly. I'm really trying to shed pounds and build muscle—seems like the results of that would add up. Not sure about cululative effects of diet . . .

My father controlled his diabetes for years with diet, so I'm really hoping I can. I already eating healthy for my heart and I really enjoy veggies and fish, etc., so I'm really hoping that with weight loss and diet and exercise, I'll be OK.