By re1ndeer Latest Reply 2011-01-08 11:53:35 -0600
Started 2011-01-03 18:41:53 -0600

I have problems with the formation of kidney stones. Doctor has suggest that I go on a low Oxalate diet. Any one in the DC community have any suggestions for me, on how to achieve this and still maintain a good diabetes diet?

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Graylin Bee
Graylin Bee 2011-01-07 20:40:55 -0600 Report

Sympathies as to the kidney stones. My DH is the kidney stone maker of the family. We used the low and moderate oxalate foods. It was so frustrating for him to learn his favorite lunch - peanut butter and grape jelly sandwich was a big no-no. He tried to lower the oxalates and still made stones. He had way too much calcium in his system. The Dr. asked him if he thought he was a dairy farm it was so high. Even after he tried to eliminate most dairy products it was still way to high.The local water was the culprit. He started drinking distilled water and ended his hobby of kidney stone crafting.
It seems formidable at first. But if you can just find some foods that you like and are on the safe lists there is some overlap. Good luck with your juggeling act.

re1ndeer 2011-01-07 22:34:59 -0600 Report

Thank you for you words of wisdom. I'm allergic to dairy products so, I have no problem there. Was your DH on the diet for a long time? or a few months?

My Doctor is trying this as I have had problems in the past couple of months that have put me in the hospital.

I know its going to be hard trying to incorporate foods that fall in the diet with the diabetes.

Graylin Bee
Graylin Bee 2011-01-07 23:36:25 -0600 Report

I think it took about 1 year to 6 months to determine it was the local water. Then he was cautious about adding dairy products back into his diet for a few more years. He still has a few problems with some foods. Molassess and high fructose corn syrup are two that still cause discomfort. Since we've moved to a new town this year it has been so nice to be able to drink and cook with tap water. The old town has really awful water. It gave me horrid rashes if I tried to shower every day. Newcomers to the town were often surprised when this happened to them. One of his Dr's. other kidney stone patients was given our number to ask what worked for my DH since he had final stopped making the kidney stones after several bad ones.
Since you have dairy allergies do you sub soy? I think it appears on the high oxalates list.

re1ndeer 2011-01-08 05:54:50 -0600 Report

Thank you for your response. No I can't have soy either, I'm on warfarin (blood thinner) for my heart. So there too, are foods I can not eat but, I'm managing. If I need a (Milk) product I usually will use almond milk. The taste is different but, you get used to it. Especially living in the "Dairy State." (LoL) :)

Graylin Bee
Graylin Bee 2011-01-08 10:42:47 -0600 Report

I I have never really liked the taste of milk. Also the milk sugars have always bothered my BG even as a child. Nuts are listed as high oxalates. We used rice milk for my husband. That was pre diabetes for me so it wasn't a problem. I looked recently at its carb count. It was higher than almond milk. But I think it compared favorable to good old cow's milk carb wise. It tasted pretty good. Have you tried it? I don't know how it would affect your BG. White rice is on the low oxalate list. Maybe if you didn't use much it would be ok from the carb standpoint. I know how scary kidneystones can be. Besides the extreme pain, they can increase your risk of infections. I know my husband still fears forming one even though its been 20 years since his last one that put him in the hospital.

re1ndeer 2011-01-08 11:53:35 -0600 Report

No, I haven't tried rice milk. Gee, I wasn't really paying attention to my list (about nuts being high in oxalates) I really don't know if the milk (almond) would still be high or not, but I did try goats milk, and that for me works as well. And that too isn't bad tasting.

re1ndeer 2011-01-04 18:57:35 -0600 Report

Along with the oxalates diet I am also, on warfarin for my heart, so, this also makes the items available to me even shorter.

GabbyPA 2011-01-05 07:22:26 -0600 Report

Well, I suppose it could make your shopping easier. Sorry, have to look for the good in things you know. So I gather many of the meats would be off the list because of that?? And no pepper on food. My mom would go crazy. She likes pepper on everything.

re1ndeer 2011-01-05 07:56:57 -0600 Report

No, still have to shop for DH… so, all the tempting foods are still there, I guess I will have to try and not eat them.

GabbyPA 2011-01-05 08:46:09 -0600 Report

Who is DH? I know I put my family through some big changes along with me. We fall back into old things, mostly because I feel guilty when they don't eat what I cook. But sometimes for your health, you have to ask things of those around you to help you out. Even if it's just for a short time.

GabbyPA 2011-01-05 08:52:41 -0600 Report

Oh, I see. yes, I have one of those too. LOL He is good though. If I get really bad no-no's for him, they sit on his desk, not in the pantry. That helps me a lot.

kdroberts 2011-01-03 22:10:58 -0600 Report

Is that the one where green leafy greens,.certain meats and fish are not good to eat? If so, it will be tough since.a huge amount of things that are good for maintaining blood sugar are bad for the kidney stones. I have wondered in the past if it would be a good idea for diabetics who need this sort of diet to switch to meal time insulin so they can fully do the diet. It's a tough spot to be in.

re1ndeer 2011-01-05 08:55:41 -0600 Report

kdroberts: I do insulin 4 times a day, Once at night and once at each meal and have been doing this for 4 years. Yes it is very, very hard to make meals work even before going on this diet.

GabbyPA 2011-01-03 19:46:15 -0600 Report

I was looking this up and am not really clear on what low Oxalate is? What I gather is that it is related to calcium intake??

re1ndeer 2011-01-04 18:42:29 -0600 Report

Here is a site that can explain, the diet : http://www.mainstream-urology.com/articles/lo...
Hopefully , with this information will help. It also lists what foods can be eaten.

GabbyPA 2011-01-05 07:20:27 -0600 Report

That list was very helpful. There seems to still be a good amount of low carb foods on there. I guess what I would do is print out this list (from the link above) and then write down the carb numbers next to them for a serving. Then post it on the frige. I have an alkaline list of foods with the alkalinity next to most of them on my frige. That way I can know what will be my best choices. I have crossed off the diabetic no-no foods, so they are not included.

Then start looking for recipes that you enjoy. Find substitutes on your lists for the ingredients if you need to. Like I substitute cauliflower for many "white carb" foods. That would work for you. It will take some experimenting, but you just might be surprised at how well it works out.

GabbyPA 2011-01-05 08:46:54 -0600 Report

Let me know if you need some substitute ideas. I am pretty handy in that department and will see if I can give you some ideas.

kdroberts 2011-01-03 22:12:49 -0600 Report

I think oxalate is in certain foods and contributes to calcium based kidney stones. Not 100% sure though.

re1ndeer 2011-01-05 08:58:31 -0600 Report

Yes, you are correct. But I still need to have calcium supplements twice a day.
I take calcium citrate and not calcium carbonate (this is the one that contributes to kidney stones.)

GabbyPA 2011-01-04 07:28:53 -0600 Report

So what is different about them versus calcium? I couldn't find a good explanation for that.

kdroberts 2011-01-04 07:46:58 -0600 Report

Foods high in oxalate react with calcium and form calcium oxalate which is the most common type of kidney stone. Normally there is no issue but if you are prone to this type of kidney stones and certain other conditions you are advised to avoid foods containing oxalate so you lower the amount of calcium oxalate that forms in your body. I'm not 100% sure what oxalate is, I think some type of ion, but on it's own I don't think it's related to calcium.