If You Can't Trust BAYER, who can you Trust with your Life? Bayer Asprin Sold Aids Tainted Medicine.

dorway
By dorway Latest Reply 2010-11-01 16:05:24 -0500
Started 2010-11-01 01:24:12 -0500

You probably never heard the story on the Bayer Scandal with Bayer distributing medicine tainted with the HIV virus and thousands of people died because of it.

Get the rest of the story on video:
http://digg.com/news/story/MSNBC_Exposes_Baye...


13 replies

kdroberts
kdroberts 2010-11-01 11:20:02 -0500 Report

To add to what John said, there have been many other things like this in the past that have been authorized by governments. One of the ones that recently got some press was the study in Guatemala where people were infected with syphilis and gonorrhea then studied and the Tuskegee experiment where people who tested positive for syphilis were not told or given treatment but were studied for decades. Both were authorized and run by the US government.

dorway
dorway 2010-11-01 13:38:43 -0500 Report

Kd are you suggesting that you agree for pharmaceuticals and ok'd by government to use people as lab rats for human studies without consent

kdroberts
kdroberts 2010-11-01 13:48:47 -0500 Report

No, just that focusing on one event is largely pointless, especially when the regulations today are vastly different to the ones in place at the time making it pretty much impossible for the same thing to happen. Especially pointless is trying to incite fear as you appear to be doing with a lot of your posts, even if you are trying to disguise them as informational.

Pharmaceutical companies aren't saints but the reality is that millions of people are alive or are able to live a semi normal life and the understanding of diseases has been greatly enhanced because of them.

dorway
dorway 2010-11-01 14:18:39 -0500 Report

So, you've excepted the situation, content of being treated, but have no concern why or how so many people have diabetes and millions on the way according the news story by USAToday that was published in the last couple of weeks.

Not a matter of tryng to incite fear. It's getting to the facts and the truth. Uncovering the root of the problem. You're right, pharmaceuticals are not saints, their Pirates.

kdroberts
kdroberts 2010-11-01 14:33:53 -0500 Report

It's called genetics. People procreate and share genes, the genes get passed about in the gene pool and more and more people get the ones associated to diabetes. It's called evolution. Unfortunately, or fortunately depending on how you look at it, modern science is keeping people alive for decades longer than they would in the past so there is more and more opportunity to for the genes to be spread about. Natural selection is supposed to take care of the spread of bad genes but we took over the process somewhat so the genes that should die out are becoming more and more prevalent.

When you are in a life or death situation where life comes from the pharmaceutical companies I would love to know what your choice would be and if you would still call them pirates.

dorway
dorway 2010-11-01 15:08:07 -0500 Report

The pirate comment you can see the Bayer example. I probably can round up many other stories where pharmaceuticals have done similiar.

On the gentic side. I've not researched that point. However, I will take a guess on this with an opinion. If you could trace back your family tree to the kin folks that did not have diabetes, what was done different along the way.

My guess would be the Vaccine shots filled with mercury and their ingredients of microbes, antibiotics, chemicals, heavy metals and animal byproducts and genetically passed on to the next generation.

I understand the comment you made on the life and death situation.

But, let's flip this around for a moment. If Pharmaceuticals made cures for every disease, the Pharmaceuticals wouldn't be earning Billions every year. So, the solution is to provide treatments and have a cash cow money machine.

I suppose you wouldn't believe Pharmaceuticals or the World Health Organization wouldn't purposely release a disease too?

kdroberts
kdroberts 2010-11-01 15:35:01 -0500 Report

Firstly, there is plenty of money to be made in cures. For example, a $1000 cure for all forms of diabetes gives you about $350 billion plus an estimated $2-5 billion a year after that. That's pretty top notch money for what would be a very inexpensive cure. I think that would actually be a record amount of money for any single pharmaceutical product by well over a hundred billion dollars. A cure doesn't mean something will disappear from the earth completely, just that once it shows up you can get rid of it easily. A vaccination would be similar except you could potentially make even more money since you would be marketing it to everyone in the world rather than diabetics only. There are just as many people who lose money over diabetes and the costs involved as there are who make money from it. If a company makes billions of drugs, somebody is paying it and most is from insurance companies and governments.

Secondly, genetics is very complicated. You can carry genes and they may or may not trigger something or you may not carry all the genes needed to trigger something but you can still pass them along. It's very easy to try and blame things one a group or product or whatever but if you really want to look at things, the most fundamental principal that x disease will kill you before you can pass it on is largely no longer true. It's a tough moral and philosophical debate with no real answer. Is it better to let people die, regardless of age, sex, nationality, etc, when they could be saved in order to make future generations stronger or save as many as you can but weaken the race as a whole and have to keep coming up with more and more treatments.

CaliKo
CaliKo 2010-11-01 16:05:24 -0500 Report

Surely a philosophical debate, but I think the proper medical answer is to always treat with whatever tools are currently considered the best for the situation. Wouldn't want someone deciding I was just too genetically damaged or too stupid or too whatever and let me die to improve the gene pool.
And yeah, I think whatever person or company that discovers a cure for diabetes (or cancer etc.) will be leading the celebration, not covering it up. There are always more medical advances to make money on.

dorway
dorway 2010-11-01 15:49:22 -0500 Report

The last comments blends in to my comment of Dr. Bartlett college lecture if you watched the entire 8 part video.

John Crowley
John CrowleyCA 2010-11-01 10:28:05 -0500 Report

First of all, please get your facts straight. It was not Bayer Asprin that was in question. It was a blood clotting medication for hemophiliacs. And this is not news. It happened almost 30 years ago. Even the news story you refer to is over 7 years old.

Yes what happened was tragic. And there have been plenty of consequences for Bayer. It's not as if a blind eye was turned as you suggest.

And as Bayer said in their response, you can't apply our technology and tests of today to what was happening almost 30 years ago. There was no screening test for HIV. No way to detect it.

In hindsight it's easy to pass judgment. But you have to remember that the world and medical technology were very different then.

dorway
dorway 2010-11-01 13:32:48 -0500 Report

John, yes it was a tragic to humanity. I believe the news story got the facts straight along with the attorney findings. So, Bayer picks up where they left off and continue doing business in UK, Spain, Asia markets around the globe. So, I think the facts a pretty much are there in the cover story considering if memory serves well, Bayer was sued and paid $600 million, far short of the billions made.

Come on John, technology is always held back for 30 years before it slowly leaks out to the public and / or reserved for the global elites.

pjroberts
pjroberts 2010-11-01 11:49:29 -0500 Report

I think people sometimes go into panic and don't get all of the facts or stop listening after the initial fear sets in. People need to slow down and get ALL the facts before they start to spread world wide panic.

rollin my eyes,

PJR

dorway
dorway 2010-11-01 13:41:36 -0500 Report

pj, fear works. It worked for the Romans, it worked for the Italians, it worked for Hitler and it worked on 9-11. Now we have fales flag stages in progress on the elections.

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