I Saved a Life, Now Save Yours! You've Been Mislead..!

dorway
By dorway Latest Reply 2010-11-09 07:26:52 -0600
Started 2010-10-31 12:01:25 -0500

The story I'm about to share is a real.
A life changing event from ready to die to will to live.

It's not a pretty picture and you will have to get into the political side to connect the dots as I have to understand the global agenda.

Since early 80's the American people have been conditioned to believe and trust what is best for them and each year more and more people are being diagonosed with diabetes, cancer, firbromyalgia and a whole host of related sickness leading to slow eugenics from the underlying causes and Big Phrama is earning BILLIONS.

Every 10 years population doubles. Every 10 years energy consumption doubles. Today, there are over 6.8 billion people on the planet. Watch Dr. Bartlett 8 part video college lecture on YouTube for the full understanding. Tittled: The most important video you will ever see. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY

The life I saved and how, could very well help save your life, family, friends and the many people in passing.

I have a very good friend with type 2 diabetes diagnose about 10 years ago. She retired from the hospital working in the ICU. When I met my friend her sugar average was over 300 to 350. Under doctors orders she was to check her sugar every 4 hours and take a shot. She was taking six shots a day and never getting 8 hours of sleep. She was constantly in pain, depressed, crying at times and finally reading to give up living.

Nothing to live for except to wake up and take another shot and try to go back to sleep. This went on for several months from time I met her.

One morning, I found her in a life threatening situation. She was in a diabetic coma. It turned out that she had been in that state for 10 hours. I called the ambulance, the paramedics arrived. They checked her sugar, she completely bottomed out. The lead paramedic told the assistance to bring in a body carry bag. The paramedic came in the bedroom with the package that contained the bag. They opened the bag, unfolded the body bag and we rolled her side to side and put her in the bag.

At time I thought, ok going to use this body bag with 12 handles to carry her out to the ambulance. Instead, once she was set to pick up, the paramedics stood there leaving me to believe she was dead. The paramedics was in no rush to get her out of the bed and into the ambulance.

They radio in for the fire department to assist to help carry her out of the house to the ambulance. Well, 10 minutes had gone by and still no fire department.

The fire department is only 3 miles down the road. I spoke up and said what are we waiting on, the paramedic replied the fire department. I said you better call again or I'm going to get this body bag and drag her across the floor get her out of the house and on to the emergency room.

He called again and two minutes later the fire department finally rolled in. Once they arrived and came in the house, they picked her up like a loaf a bread and put her in the ambulance.

Bare in mind. At bed side. The paramedics did not give no treatment of any kind.
plus some of her medicine she had laid out came up missing.

Once in the ambulance they started to give her an IV and whatever else they do.

I'm standing next to the ambulance dumb founded as why the ambulance is not rolling. I told the driver if you don't get rolling, I'm pulling you out and I'm driving this ambulance to the hospital. The hospital is only 3 miles down the road.

While watching the doctor In the emergency room working on trying to revive her the doctor kept coming to me for any kind of information I could provide to help him. A near death situation and the doctor was afraid we we're going to lose her.

After 3 hours the doctor doing everything he knew to do and she finally opened her eyes. Her blue eyes was in a daze but the mind has not caught up to reality.

An hour later she was fully conscious and aware of her surroudings.

During this time observing what was going on. I stood there thinking, that could be me laying there. The more I thought, the madder I became. I said to myself, when I get back home, I'm going to get to the bottom of this why so many people becoming a diabetic. There's something going on and I'm going on a witch hunt to find the answer.

I googled up the diabetic forums one after another looking for educational value for hard facts to real questions. Someone had made a post in a forum that got my attention and then this is where I spent 10 hours researching, reading, watching videos on YouTube connecting the dots of putting the grand puzzle together as why millions are coming down with cancer, diabetes and over 80 other Illnesses.

It all started with the need to boost corporate profits, a political faver owed, replacement of the FDA commissioner, the official report hide from the american people and to the people worldwide and law makers influenced by the lobbyists for big business.

The common denominator to over 80 Illnesses is Aspertame in Die-T Soda's people consume.

Over 6,000 foods contains Aspertame but relabled under the name Phenylalanine
Even chewing gum contains phenylalanine, check the lable before you purchase.

Big Business puts bottom line margins over the well being to public health.

Connect the dots. Dr. Barlett Videos, Learn all about Aspertame, Phenylalanine and soon to be renamed Amino Sweet.

Since people are slowly waking up and the word is getting out on Aspertame and Phenylalanine. The www.monsanto.com corporation is changing the Aspertame name to Amino Sweet. The deception of a charming name to feed you Aspertame.

Get the full story from beginning to end on Aspertame how the FDA hid the facts on Aspertame and the cover up by G.D.Searle corporation according to the facts by Betty Martini of www.dorway.com

After an intense non stop learning session on Aspertame my friend long longer consumes any sweetners whatsoever. She consumed Die-T Pepsi for 10 years, stop eating foods that contains Phenylalanine and stop eating foods that contains MSG Monosodium glutamate, a common food additive.

Results:

No more headaches!
Sugar average from 350 to now 146!
No more taking six shots a day!
Good days 0 shots.
Now only 1 to 2 shots a day. Morning and evening.
Now gets a full night rest of 8 hours or more!
The will to live restored!
The energy level increased!

Somedays her sugar reading drops below 100 - No Shot
Lost 52 pounds without exercising and due to stop consuming Die-T Soda's and from eating foods that contains MSG.

The underlying factors of health causing slow eugenics exposed!

This is my story, my opinion and testmonial of life changing experience of my friend from will to die to will to live.

Aspertame - Big Corporations and Big Phrama best kept secret exposed!

Get the full story at www.dorway.com


65 replies

Gabby
GabbyPA 2010-11-07 08:13:28 -0600 Report

Wow, this got messy while I was away.

As with everything on the discussions, these are thoughts shared by people who have their own opinions of things. To be honest, unless you have personally conducted the research, we are all just believing what someone is telling us is the right thing. All of us face daily the controversy of conflicting studies. We have to choose our battles based on others testing and studies. All we can do is use our own bodies as the guinia pig and go from there.

I think that what we need is to keep our minds open on all fronts. Find what works for you and run with it. Sometimes things that cause us the most issue are things that challenge our thinking or our convenience levels. I do believe the later to be more the case. If new ideas were easy, we would all be doing them.

Lively discussion is great, name calling is worthless. That is the great value of what we have here. We can be different, think differently, and still remain friendly. Passion is a funny thing, and when it clouds our words, it can get out of control. I am always sorry to see it happen, but hope that out of it will come a better understanding of things from different points of view. It's not a matter of being right or wrong, but expanding our thoughts and reasoning.

dorway
dorway 2010-11-07 15:13:33 -0600 Report

Gabby, it got messy from the very start when I was falsely accused!
I push back when I get pushed.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2010-11-07 18:32:48 -0600 Report

I am sorry you were accused of things, there is no place for that here from anyone. No one, no matter what they share here should be attacked for sharing an experience.

Controversial topics will produce strong reactions. If we are willing to post something of great controversy, then we have to be willing to take the lumps and not retaliate. If you want your message to be heard and respected, you have to find the balance of truth and diplomacy to get your point across. Dropping to another's level of attack will not gain you anything but a fueled fire that cannot be stopped.

You have shared a life experience and a passion that developed from it. That should be respected. It doesn't have to be believed by everyone, but it should be respected. Just as the teaching that ensued should be respectful and not demeaning. It is trivial to attack a person's ability to spell or use grammar to reduce the import of what they are trying to say. Just as it is of no value to attack someone who tries to explain their background to give support of their comments.

Unfortunately, the written word does often lack the inflection of the spoken word and kindness can be mistaken just as well as spite. There is much heat in this thread. We need to diffuse the fire and simply take a look again at the topic that is here.

The discussions are just for that, discussing. They do not have to be factual, they are experiences. If the things we add to the discussion do not enhance it, then perhaps we should move on to another discussion that we feel we can contribute something constructive about the topic and not attack the people who have commented anywhere in the thread.

jayabee52
jayabee52 2010-11-07 20:25:10 -0600 Report

Sorry Gabby.

I am to blame for the attack of which Rod is complaining. I believe the fault is mine.

I MISTAKENLY thought he was attempting to violate the TOU agreement by selling a product. I got that idea from Chanel227 who thought Rod was selling something. and he had a link to a MLM website on his profile, saw the all the links to Dorway in a lot of the posts he'd put up and MISTAKENLY thought there was a connection. Well I put 2+2 together and came up with 5.

When Rod called me on it and I reexamined what I had written and determined I had made a big mistake.

After I discovered that I publicly apologized to Rod and asked his forgiveness, and emailed John to ask him not to act on the red flags I had raised against some of Rod's threads.

I am not aware of anyone attacking Rod's experience.

I am sorry for my part in this fracas, truly sorry.

I'm seriously thinking of clicking the "stop tracking" in this discussion, so I don't see replies here and be tempted to respond and further irritate Rod.

That doesn't mean that I am going away from DC altogether, only from this discussion, and maybe another.

Sincerely
James

Gabby
GabbyPA 2010-11-09 07:26:52 -0600 Report

No worries, James...things are calming down now and we just need to focus on the topic, not the personalities. Because we sure do have a lot of that! LOL
Glad to see you sticking around, we need you here.

jayabee52
jayabee52 2010-11-07 18:25:54 -0600 Report

And I apologized to you PUBLICLY in this discussion for the false accusation and asked for your forgiveness for that. (Of course you don't HAVE to forgive me, just because I ask.)

And then I wrote an email to John notifying him of my flagging your discussions was mistaken and asked that he not remove them.

So I acknowledged my wronging of you, asked your forgiveness, and tried to make it right. I don't think I could do any more, except go away.

I don't think I can do that, because I like it here and like the people here.

ptsparkle
ptsparkle 2010-11-07 20:50:51 -0600 Report

James,
I have been gone for some time from this site. First, sorry for Jems passing . I have read through all the back and forth and tit for tats. Too bad it got that far with the name calling, and refusal to accept your apology.
I know you as an honorable man, and one who truly cares for others. I always valued your discussions and replys. The same goes for KD. That was funny…hand in hand with KD!

You just keep your head high, you are the bigger and better person My Dad used to tell me when I screwed up occasionaly…"If ignorance were bliss..you would be the happiest person on the earth". In regards to all that has gone on, dorway must be very happy!

Your friend,
Jim

jayabee52
jayabee52 2010-11-07 21:24:11 -0600 Report

Thank you Jim. Missed you! Miss your jokes!

Thank you for you for your sorrow at Jem's passing. If you want to talk more about it, email me. I think I 've said enough publicly on the discussions that folks are probably tired of that subject.

Thank you for the compliment and kind words! They mean a lot to me.

Yes the mental image of the 800 lb gorillas gunning hand in hand is funny and I snickered when I read that in Rod's post.

Please don't say that about Rod. I don't like to verbally abuse others, and I don't like it when others verbally abuse another either. What you wrote my good friend comes mighty close, if not crossing the line, IMO. We don't need to put people down.

Believe it or not, I am trying to make peace with Rod, because I really don't see him as a bad person. If I cannot, I'll just have to stop tracking this discussion and chalk it up to experience.

They say that making good choices comes from experience. Where do you get experience? Making bad choices! LoL!

Good to hear from you again!

James

dorway
dorway 2010-11-07 18:47:25 -0600 Report

jayabee52, you may have publicly apologised on a new reply when all you had to of done was to edit the original post and there would of not been a problem. Still yet, you have not done so and it's apparent your not. This thread is getting longer everyday and people have selective reading. So if your going to cast a shadow on me to your orginal comments, you will always be the guy known to me that jumps to conclusions before he understands.

jayabee52
jayabee52 2010-11-07 20:51:39 -0600 Report

and my editing of the first post in which I "cast a shadow" on you would change your opinion of me as the "guy . . . that jumps to conclusions before he understands."?

Ginny in CO
Ginny in CO 2010-11-04 21:43:46 -0500 Report

dorway there are 'a few' problems with this and some of your responses. I am really curious about your friend being in a diabetic coma and when the paramedics checked her sugar she had 'bottomed out'. If you have studied diabetes and can write that, I have to question your understanding of what you have read about Aspartame.

I've been an RN for 33 years. Critical care, home care, insurance case management for workers comp patients and a few other areas. I've spent enough time in ERs and at paramedic field responses to understand your reactions and misinterpretations of what was going on. Emergency medical care does not work quite the way the TV shows portray it.

Your spelling issues suggest dyslexia which I am quite familiar with. But it doesn't explain some of your reasoning, priorities or conclusions.

I absolutely agree that our food and other corporations are lousy when it comes to what is good or bad for us versus what makes money for them. Their advertising has absolutely nothing to do with truth. I also do a lot of political action and believe Monsanto to be right down there with Halliburton, BP and the tobacco companies when it comes to corporate crime.

There is a basic concept here that is essential to keep in focus.

It's called the scientific method. Correlation is not causation. It is a suggestion to study for causation. The beauty of scientific methodology (developed by the Muslims during the Golden Age of Islam) is that it seeks to identify specific factors that can be shown to cause something by eliminating variables.

One of the other huge changes in American life during the period you focus on is the decrease in exercise. No question that plays a role in the emergence of DM II in more people at younger ages. Not to mention many other diagnoses. Certainly the other signs and symptoms have been issues, like Autism, as to the increases over the recent decades.

There are, unfortunately, a lot of problems with research. At it's best it takes a lot of time to really be sure all of it is consistent and will not be refuted significantly. When we have this kind of problem in hard medical research: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2... *it makes you realize how difficult it is for underfunded research to be any faster or more accurate.

Sweeteners are a huge part of diabetes, but not all of it. Gabby is absolutely
correct in promoting the elimination or reduction of sweet tasting items from our diets. Sweeteners can be a temporary means to having something that you could not eat with regular sweeteners. Since you haven't had to change your diet because of a diagnosis, I doubt you are fully aware of how difficult it is to just abandon something that humans clearly love.

You will see stevia referred to here and there are many other ways diabetics have learned to sweeten without artificial sweeteners. My bottom line is even natural things are poison to some people. You can't get much healthier than strawberries. But it is a fruit that causes allergies frequently and flares up diverticulitis. In very small, occasional amounts, our bodies also manage a lot of toxins too. I don't recommend pushing those limits, but using an eighth of a teaspoon of saccharine for some ice tea, a few sprinkles of Splenda on some cereal is not the same as drinking a soda a day. The phosphorous in the carbonation is just as bad if not worse than the aspartame. (It leaches calcium from bones).

Anecdotally, my own journey has been contradictory to many of the basic theories of diabetes. I was raised on a really healthy diet, became interested in nutrition by the age of 10, have learned and studied from many sources for going on 50 years. I ate well, raised the kids on healthy diets, exercised extensively a minimum of 3 days a week and often five or six. I got off most soda over 5 years ago, became prediabetic 5 years ago and diabetic three years ago. I lost my health insurance in Jan of '09 so I can only hope my sugar is ok. Finally had an HgA1C two days ago but have not heard the results

It is probably time for full disclosure. I have admitted to ADD - it's the hyperfocused kind. I also have 2 degrees in BS…

*"Lies, Damned Lies and Medical Science" The Atlantic, 11/2010

kdroberts
kdroberts 2010-11-05 11:13:58 -0500 Report

I applaud this sentence

"It's called the scientific method. Correlation is not causation"

I believe this is a fundamental issue with diabetes, how it gets reported by the media and how it's treated. One of the biggest offenders (no pun intended) is the "being overweight causes diabetes" statements. A lot of the natural treatments like cinnamon fall into this area as well. You can have all the correlations you want, it doesn't make it an actual cause.

dorway
dorway 2010-11-04 22:21:22 -0500 Report

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jayabee52
jayabee52 2010-11-05 14:39:07 -0500 Report

Rod, I had not red-flagged this for removal.

Sorry, you removed me from your friends list or I would have told you this by email.

jayabee52
jayabee52 2010-11-04 23:16:02 -0500 Report

actually Rod, you should be embarassed by your reply to her. Ginny cut you some slack in saying "Your spelling issues suggest dyslexia " but you seem to show your ignorance or inability to read correctly (again, could be dyslexia) when you write "BS 2 year degree suits you perfect" Bachelor of Science ("BS") degrees take 4 years of course work EACH. Ginny writes she has 2 BS degrees, so she worked hard to get those. And you try to belittle her.

dorway
dorway 2010-11-07 14:58:57 -0600 Report

No Jayabee52 I do not have dyslexia. Just happens my thoughts run faster then my 60 words a minute typing skills and then fail to proof read before I submit. Ginny's background has no bearing to my post and as seen quite often Ginny has the need to spell out her background and the 2 BS degrees on several post. If a person wants to know a persons background they can look to see on the members profile if they have updated the profile.

Ginny in CO
Ginny in CO 2010-11-05 13:56:48 -0500 Report

Thanks jayabee. I got back here after the content of dorway's reply was removed, thanks to John. Must have struck a bunch of nerves. The 'I have 2 degrees in BS' is an intentional joke on me to sort of apologize for the long answers, which can be uncomfortable when it is as critical as that one was.

I actually started in pre-med and spent 3 years in the heavy duty sciences and some advanced courses (embryology is still the favorite). My counselor finally sat me down and pulled no punches about my GPA not being good enough to get into Med school. I had also taken a lot of humanities classes and was able to finish a BS in Sociology (KSU) before I transfered to Widener University as a junior for the BS in nursing.

I have had a life long fascination with knowledge. I never watched a lot of TV, but since the Internet allowed me to do so much from my own home office, I quit watching almost entirely. Then the TV I still have has no HDTV reception and I never got a box.

The Internet is a source of enormous amounts of information. Ranging from criminal to the best of science and human thought. Sifting through even a manageable portion takes a lot of time and judgement. I supplement with books and magazines. And there are still critical pieces I miss. There are a few rare individuals who have made some important independent discoveries and are promoting them. The problem is many attach other, unsupported ideas to their arguments. I still think frequently of the movie "Lorenzo's Oil" and what humans can do when they are determined to find an answer.

One of the most important skills to learn is how to ask the right question. Do that and you can find the answer because the pieces are all known, you just have to put them together to make the puzzle into a picture. Kind of like building a great pyramid…

jayabee52
jayabee52 2010-11-05 14:36:11 -0500 Report

Well it still stands that you worked hard for 2 BS degrees (even if I had my timing wrong), as I had to for my masters.

I believe you said in another context that you have ADD I too have ADD. I remember the signs of it from my grade school days. At my bride Jem's insistence I got tested and Dx'd with it about a year ago. When one has ADD the main thing is to find something which interests one intently. That allows the person to be able to hyperfocus and learn.

That hyperfocus was what enabled me to earn my masters. and I like you, am fascinated with knowledge.

Blessings!
James

John Crowley
John CrowleyCA 2010-11-05 10:04:22 -0500 Report

Rod,
You ought to know that James (jayabee52) is one of our most respected members. Be careful about throwing around accusations.
John

dorway
dorway 2010-11-06 01:39:11 -0500 Report

John that's great Jaybabee52 is one of, that has nothing to do with me. What has to do with me is Jayabee52 very first reply pretaining to the profile of which his comments were totally wrong and still bears his words regardless of the follow up, when editing would of solved the issue but choose to leave the original comments stand and to follow up with a second reply admitting of wrong doing which anyone would know if they read the TOU and understood the benefits of the entire profile area that is made available to the DC members.

Of course DC itself is partially at fought for not fully providing educational value to newbies who has never made a blog or made a suggestion to the members to make a blog and link into there profile that would actually create a dorway from the search engines linking back to DC and the topics a person uses would index in the search engine. With so many people out of job, millions of seniors that have dropped into the doughnut hole and has to decide buying medicine or buying food.

I could write up a story on this point too of 7% savings seniors will receive next year on the obamacare with Big Phrama just giving up 1% of bilions of profits. I have a theory on this 7%, a plus and minus 7%.

Now, if you observe the very first poster, Gabby suggested I go read a book of which cost $29.95 I made a reply back saying thanks for suggesting to spend $29.95 whereas many people may not be able to afford.

But, you will not see that remark now because I edited the post shortly after I made the post to Gabby.

Would you believe it, The wizard of oz is a metaphor to a real story. Go Figure.

John Crowley
John CrowleyCA 2010-11-07 01:25:16 -0500 Report

Actually, we take privacy issues very seriously and that's why all profiles are password protected. No one can view a profile unless they are logged in. Search engines cannot access anyone's profile or index any information on a profile. That's by design.

I'm not sure what you have imagined up here. But we do not have a hidden agenda. We are not in favor of one treatment over another. None of our advertisers dictate in any way what we can or cannot post. We do have a bias for the scientific method and treatments and solutions that have proven through proper study to help diabetics control their blood sugars. We strive to avoid fear-mongering and sensationalism. We prefer facts and letting people make their own decisions.

Our agenda is helping diabetics to find the information and support to help them live healthier lives. That's it.

And Rod, here's the thing you seem to have missed. Most people who have responded here (and elsewhere on the site) tend to agree with your basic premise that artificial sweeteners aren't great. People have questioned some of your sensationalism and your misunderstanding of how diabetes actually works. And they question the reasoning that artificial sweeteners are solely to blame for causing diabetes. Sadly, you don't seem to want to build on common ground (which is what Gabby tried to do with you from the beginning). Instead, you seem to be looking for a fight.

dorway
dorway 2010-11-07 05:58:08 -0600 Report

" Quote " Actually, we take privacy issues very seriously and that's why all profiles are password protected. No one can view a profile unless they are logged in. Search engines cannot access anyone's profile or index any information on a profile. That's by design. " Unquote"

John I suppose you didn't quite understand where I was going on the SEO search engine, the advantage members making a blog / website with content and comments and adsense. My point had nothing to do with the profile and the search engines indexing the members profile information.

Of course visitors would have to register / log in to see a members profile if the DC member opted the viewing of the profile.

I will give you an example: You take the subject line to this post.

I saved a life
Now go to www.google.com and type in I saved a life.

The current page results on this search phrase is:

About 151,000,000 results

Of this 151,000,000 results, this thread is now ranked Page 2 of about 151,000,000 results. Just a matter of time before this page will be on Page 1 Google results out of 151,000,000 other websites using the search term I Saved A Life and very well possibly become number 1 on Google.

If a members had a blog or website linked into there profile they would get vistors to there site. Therefore creating a dorway to the members benefit.

As you stated " scientific method and treatments and solutions to help diabetics control their blood sugars ". We prefer facts and letting people make their own decisions. We strive to avoid fear-mongering and sensationalism.

Not only do diabetics wants there blood sugar controlled. They want to solve the problem that caused it, not just be treated for the rest of there life. As you stated, we prefer facts and letting people make their own decision.

I find this very interesting to a sister diabetic forum listed on the big blue test website at Dlife forum. In the sites guidelines it states.

"
Quackery will be removed. Posts on the evils of aspartame, anti-perspirant causing breast cancer, the miracles of Noni juice, and any other therapy or theory that has no basis in research or medical fact are discouraged. Innocent posts on these topics will be refuted as necessary by the moderator; others will be deleted. Moderators will ban persistent offenders at their discretion. "

Aspertame has been exposed while the site shields Aspertame.

John, you said " People have questioned some of your sensationalism and your misunderstanding of how diabetes actually works. "

I've seen how diabetes works. I've seen my mother go through living *ell with her husband that past away Dec. 21, 2007. I see the end result the toll took on my mother caring for him.

I'm experiencing what my mother went through with my friend now and understand more when my mother told me for years. Son, you have no idea what I'm going through.

You stated, " Sadly, you don't seem to want to build on common ground "

Everyone been told there whole life to eat the right foods. Right, that is common ground, I agree. Get the blood sugar under control, common ground, I agree.

I've read the full story on how Aspertame got approved and all the millions of dollars spent by big business to get it pushed through, the cover up, the deception, big phrama providing the solution for treatment. People will always be in denial till they go on there own fact findings and connect the dots to the political side.

Sorry John, I don't go along just to get along just because big business say's it's good for you. My life is more important then the dollars big business seeks.

" Corporate Greed - America's Heart Beat "
~ Senator Fred Thompson

jayabee52
jayabee52 2010-11-05 00:40:36 -0500 Report

Well Rod, my friend,
you've say I remind you of a troll and have used it of other people here who have questioned you on certain points, so I decided to look it up. Here's part of one of the returns I got:

"What Is A Troll?
The term derives from "trolling", a style of fishing which involves trailing bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite. The troll posts a message, often in response to an honest question, that is intended to upset, disrupt or simply insult the group.

Usually, it will fail, as the troll rarely bothers to match the tone or style of the group, and usually its ignorance shows.

Why do trolls do it?
I believe that most trolls are sad people, living their lonely lives vicariously through those they see as strong and successful.

Disrupting a stable newsgroup gives the illusion of power, just as for a few, stalking a strong person allows them to think they are strong, too.

For trolls, any response is 'recognition'; they are unable to distinguish between irritation and admiration; their ego grows directly in proportion to the response, regardless of the form or content of that response.

Trolls, rather surprisingly, dispute this, claiming that it's a game or joke; this merely confirms the diagnosis; how sad do you have to be to find such mind-numbingly trivial timewasting to be funny?

Remember that trolls are cowards; they'll usually post just enough to get an argument going, then sit back and count the responses (Yes, that's what they do!)." ——end quote.———

Well I don't think I fit that definition, nor the why a troll trolls. I've been here almost every day for over a year now. You've been posting here how long?

I believe people in this site like and appreciate me. Maybe there are one or two who might not like my personality, but that's just like life in the real world.

My posts usually don't stir up controversy. When I seek to correct a mistaken idea, I attempt to do it gently and I have usually done the internet research to back me up, even if I choose not to quote it.

I've noted this about you. When bested in an answer to what you have posted you rarely speak to the answer. When I defended Ginny in CO above you responded to me with an *ad hominem* (latin for "against the person") attack (words between ** should be italicized. You didn't respond to my answer point by point showing my errors. When you respond with an *ad hominem* attack you are admitting that you have no better response (like maybe the truth) than the *ad hominem* attack.

There is currently no "ignore" function that I know of.

But if you get me placed on ignore and I choose not to ignore you and respond to a point you make, every one else can see my response to you and you don't respond to my post then folks will think my response was valid, and you had no response to my post.

I still pray for blerssings on you and yours

James

Gabby
GabbyPA 2010-11-01 14:34:00 -0500 Report

The real trick is to not eat artificial sweeteners, but to eliminate sweet from our food lists pretty much 100%. The amount of sweet we eat now is far more, even in fruit, than our ancestors. The goal is to learn to eat foods without sweet of any kind. Once you get it out of your life, it is easier to live without it. It truly is an addictive taste.

dorway
dorway 2010-11-03 13:52:36 -0500 Report

That's the real trick as you stated to not consume the poisons of Aspartame, but the public is memorized and brainwashed on artificial sweetners via TV.

The Biggest trick is exposing the corporations that are putting tid bits of poisons in consumer foods FDA approved that slowly makes people sick over time and research why they are. The biggest threat is the Codex Alimentarius of which you can read more at this site and videos on youtube. http://www.natural-health-information-centre....

Then you have the elected officials that voters put in office who has written bills to make it illegal to grow a garden in your back yard and / or to impose a tax to grow a garden.

The Codex Alimentarius and Mansanto Corporation certainly don't want you to eat home grown foods that are toxic free and how would that effect Big Phrama with eating healthy foods and staying well.

HR 875 and Senate Bill 425 criminalizes organic farming. Who are these representatives backing this bill and serving. The interest of the people or the interest of big business and the global elites.

You can research this information as I have.

All you have to do is care and read the HR Bills.

If you don't, legislation won't.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2010-11-03 20:54:35 -0500 Report

I have done that. Tracked a lot of bills and I am very politically involved on many levels. I have found that speaking with my pocketbook is stronger than speaking with the written word when it comes to these kinds of things. Knowledge of what is in our foods is vital, and then we need to make our choices to let our dollars speak. As much as I dislike Walmart, they have listened to their customers and pretty much eliminated growth hormones from their milk and started featuring organic choices. They are not doing that for our health, they are doing that for their bit of the market. But if the market pushes in the organic direction, it will eventually become easier to afford them.

I garden and I hope to find some ways to promote community gardens in my neighborhood. I know the bills that are out there, and so far, they are still just talk. Spilling my concerns to my representatives has done nothing but produce nice little "form" letter replies. I will start again with some of our newly elected, but since one is a huge supporter of sustained development...we are in big trouble. So I just keep doing what I do until they come to take me away.

dorway
dorway 2010-11-03 23:08:33 -0500 Report

Right Gabby, speaking from your pocketbook is stronger than speaking with written words but the non consumer purchase will not be felt standing alone when the next wreckless spender steps in to compensate for your non purchase.

For every concern you spill to your local representative represents 18,000 people. Now, when you speak out and speak up and educate others to speak out and speak up to produce a second voice to the local representative now you represent 36,000 people in the state. You want to make a difference, get active in your community, form a group, join a group, run for office.

Set an example online. You have lots of points and letting your profile go to waste when you could have a blog / website. Even with using a squidoo lens which is free and even give you google adsense revenue share would earn you extra free money plus you can donate a precentage of shared earnings to an organization of choice if you so select too.

Don't be joking about untill they come take you away. Under the Bush adminstration the establishment secretly built Civilian Prison Camps in all 50 states you can read it here. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client...=

jayabee52
jayabee52 2010-11-04 01:53:47 -0500 Report

Rod, to which of those sites are you referring? I clicked on the link you provided. It was the results of a google search for "civilian labor camps"which provided 110,000 results. To which of those 110,000 results were you referring?

I tried to find a reference to the Bush admin. construction of said camps, but all I found was information from the DOD about using inmates from federal and state prisons to provide labor for the military installations. Or there was information about the use of what is commonly referred to as martial law in times of civil unrest. I had heard rumors of such civillian concentration camps put up under the Clinton admin. too, but there was no information about that other than some third hand rumors.

So Rod it seems you intend to perform what has been called a "document dump" of thousands of documents inviting us to try to find the needle in the haystack. Well I don't think that we should take your word for it. Which document(s) of that 110,000 has the information to which you refer?

dorway
dorway 2010-11-07 15:35:02 -0600 Report

Jaybee, my reply was to Gabby to her cute remark " So I just keep doing what I do until they come to take me away ".

But, seems you just wanted to jump in the post and take a poke at me. If you have interest on that point you can do your own research from link to many.

You brought up Clinton. Well, thanks to Clinton signing the nafta agreement which lead to 47,000 companies closing up shop in the USA and moving to foreign countries that put millions out of work. Plus the signing of the bill to allow anyone who can not afford to purchase a new home with sub prime loans which allowed Wall Street to bundle and rebundle so many times the banks don't even know who owns the actual deed and then have two banks claiming they own the property they are trying to foreclose on.

Pynetree
Pynetree 2010-11-01 10:20:14 -0500 Report

There are a lot of people who rely on these artificial sweetners to help them cut down on sugar/calorie consumption. I know the aspartame and others are not GOOD for me, but drinking a regular soda is worse for me. I also use sweetner in my coffee every morning. I do try to limit my intake…and drink lots of water. But like being able to have a diet soda at lunch and coffee with sweetner and fat-free creamer. Feel that most people do know the facts on sweetner, but go with the lesser of two evils. But DOR's post does sound a bit over the top…and it feels like you are shilling for something. But, I hope it's just that you feel so strongly about the subject.

dorway
dorway 2010-11-01 11:10:20 -0500 Report

No Pynetree, those people " Who " think they need to rely on artificial sweetners have bought into the " Fiction " for Big Corporations Financial Gains to help cut down on sugar. It's been a multi billion dollar cash cow since the early 80's for the cola industry, Big Phrama and the funeral homes too. While your conclusion only consisted of briefly reading any information on Aspartame I've spent hours researching Aspartame. You will never understand what is going on till you get on the political side of what is going on that is effecting peoples health and well being.
The end result my friend is only 40 pts shy of not having to take insulin shots and she is improving weekly.

You would be surprised how few people do know the facts on sweetners if they did know they wouldn't be consuming. Go hang out sometime or next time you are at wal-mart and just sit back and watch how much Diet Soda's are rolling out the front door in them shopping carts.

If you were to do a poll as I have, you will also find that about half of the die-t soda shoppers do not have internet and have not heard any thing negative about the sweetners. Those that do have internet, some will say, yea I've heard this it's not good for you and that is all the know and never dug in to get the actual facts of the FDA real report that was hid from the public back then.

Fortunately my health is good and do not have diabetes but surrounded by many that are diabetics.

Rjhill74
Rjhill74 2010-11-05 17:37:03 -0500 Report

I am a diabetic who has to use sweetner. I like the blue stuff instead of the pink stuff. I hear a lot of things about sweetner like it makes you gain weight and it is bad for the mind and increases demintia ets. But if I don't us it I will undoubtably use sugar. With the sweetner my sugars are lower.

jayabee52
jayabee52 2010-11-05 18:39:36 -0500 Report

Well, RJ, I can't speak for Rod (Dorway) because it is aparrent he doesn't like me very much. It is the sweetener in the blue packets (Nutrasweet) that he is up in arms about. You are aware of the potential downsides -You are an adult. It is entirely your choice to continue to use any of those sweeteners you choose even in light of the potential downsides.

As for me I have been convinced enough about the downsides to avoid such sweeteners as much as possible that I now take my coffee and my iced tea without sweeteners of any kind.

Blessings to you and yours

James

Pynetree
Pynetree 2010-11-01 12:56:33 -0500 Report

"result my friend is only 40 pts shy of not having to take insulin shots"…?!? What is she 40 pts shy of?? I am not on insulin any more…but it is because I can stay in tight enough control with diet and oral meds. There is no magic Blood Glucose reading point that gets you on or off insulin. I've been off insulin for over 5 yrs. But if I was to drink a regular soda, and use sugar in my cups of coffee, on cereal etc…then my BG will be higher consistantly…raising my A1c.
Don't know if your rant is political or you're selling something, but it's too over the top to just be sharing information…and I resent you using this site for your gain…political or monetarily.

dorway
dorway 2010-11-01 14:40:21 -0500 Report

Diabeties is just one of the several health conditions my friend has. Her average has gone from 350 daily now to 140's. My friends health is improving daily as I learn more on diabetes and reversing her sickness.

Since you brought up politics. Living in America has everything to do with Politics. Took me a long time to figure that one out. Because I had the same mindset of everyone else. ( Nothing I can do ). For every law they pass is a new law to create more stress and taxes or a new law to put one in jail.

You mention selling something. You've never seen me make a comment about buying or joining nothing. But, what you are apparently speaking of is the website I have linked into my profile. Same as you, you have the very same option of linking a website yourself of your choice within the DC TOU.

To over the top. Well, sorry to hear that. Many people are comfortable in there confort zone with generic everyday way of life while many things are being uncovered and new happenings in the building stages.

Congrats on coming off the insulin. That's what were trying to accompolish here on the homefront.

Guardianstone
Guardianstone 2010-11-07 11:13:29 -0600 Report

Trying to 'sell' something does not always mean asking for money for a product or service.
You're opinion is given and preached (not religous) as if you are trying to convince everyone that you are the only one who knows the truth. What you call truth is not what I see as truth. That is my opinion. You don't need to agree with me, and I don't need to agree with you. That is just a fact of life. We are all seeking the truth.
Go with God (or whoever or what ever you may believe in.)

Guardian stone

dorway
dorway 2010-11-07 14:40:16 -0600 Report

Good reply Guardianstone.

If you are seeking the truth then ask the corporations why they are adding adulterants to a good product.

kdroberts
kdroberts 2010-11-01 11:31:48 -0500 Report

I'll be honest, it's hard to take anything you say seriously. First it comes across as an authoritative rant. Then you claim "I've spent hours researching Aspertame" but it's actually called Aspartame and you have yet to spell it correctly. Doesn't really lend much credence to your claim of hours of research. I did a poll too, half the diet soda shoppers think I'm great. Doesn't mean that a) I did a poll or b) it means anything. Really, to say that 50% of people who buy diet soda don't have internet access and have never heard one negative thing about artificial sweeteners is laughable.

By the way, and you not being diabetic may explain your ignorance of it, there is no magic point scale to decide if you need to take insulin or not, it's a lot more complicated.

dorway
dorway 2010-11-01 14:01:22 -0500 Report

kd, the aspertame typo serves the seo purposes. But to appease you I can start calling the poison the proper name of Aspartame.

Why would you say laughable. Everyday someone is being diagnosed for diabetes. According to your statement those people should of already been informed so they should not become a diabetic.

Ignorance lies from believing everything you hear from main stream media and not do your own fact finding search to find why so many people since the 80's are now becoming more then ever with diabetes and childeren with type 1.

You bet it's an authoritative rant because it could be me that could have diabeties. Just because I don't today does not mean tomorrow I won't!

kdroberts
kdroberts 2010-11-01 14:07:11 -0500 Report

I don't understand how anything I posted relates to this statement

"Why would you say laughable. Everyday someone is being diagnosed for diabetes. According to your statement those people should of already been informed so they should not become a diabetic."

Becoming diabetic is not a choice no matter how informed you are, you can't change your genetic make up.

kdroberts
kdroberts 2010-11-01 14:57:05 -0500 Report

Yes, but I didn't pull it out of thin air, there are plenty of studies and research papers that show the underlying cause for all diabetes, with the possible exception of gestational, to be genes. Just keep in mind when you are looking at stuff, a risk factor is very different to a cause.

dorway
dorway 2010-11-01 15:19:38 -0500 Report

Go back to the early years in the 60's, 70's 80', then compare those stats to the number people in the late 80's, 90's and to this day and compare the numbers prior and after of the man made Aspartame.

Rjhill74
Rjhill74 2010-11-05 17:43:05 -0500 Report

listen, most of the reason we are getting more diabetics now adays is because we have succumbed to driving istead of walking, luxeries that we did not have back then. We are becoming a couch potatoe era. We have lost the reason to get out there and be active as we once was, as our elders were raised. It is not the big sweetner manufacturers. We are more to blame than anything. Start looking at home for some of your answers and get of this kick of political advertising as a cause.

kdroberts
kdroberts 2010-11-02 08:19:54 -0500 Report

So aspartame is the only thing that's changed since over that time frame? For one, the diagnosing criteria now is very, very different than it was even 15 years ago. Millions of people diagnosed with diabetes now would not be diagnosed if using previous criteria. You can't blame everything on one product, especially when diabetes is growing in places and groups of people that don't use aspartame.

dorway
dorway 2010-11-03 14:06:47 -0500 Report

I suppose when you say I can't blame everything on one product Aspartame in Diet Soda's.

Or course not in only one product.

Aspartame name has been changed to Phenylalanine that is in over 6,000 foods that consumers eat.

Since those who have awakened and learning of Aspartame and Phenylalanine. The Mansanto corporation is going to be changing the name to Amino Sweet because of the bashing on Aspartame and Phenylalanine. More sweet deception Amino Sweet.

kdroberts
kdroberts 2010-11-01 08:07:20 -0500 Report

I read the page you linked to and couldn't really find anything that was anything more than general opinion. I didn't see any links to the original source of information other than an FDA side effect sheet, which in itself is not a very good source of info due to the way those side effects can be reported.

There has been so much stuff written about artificial sweeteners for decades so I don't really think this is really a secret or you are blowing the lid of anything. Generally, most people don't really care about it and don't want to know about it. Some people may read what you write and change things but most will either know about the pluses and minuses or will just ignore what you write. I also find it fascinating how people key in to one or two things, like aspartame or GMO foods or HFCS, etc, as the definitive cause for pretty much every disease there is but completely ignore how the gene pool works or the millions and millions of other things that are different now than they were 10, 20, 50, 100+ years ago.

dorway
dorway 2010-10-31 14:03:00 -0500 Report

Two comments and yet both have made no remarks pretaining to Aspartame

jayabee52
jayabee52 2010-11-01 02:05:55 -0500 Report

Howdy Rod
I have given up sweets - both "natural" and "artificial". I now usually drink water, tea (room temp) anc on occasion coffee all unsweetened.

I don't use Aspartame or Splenda. Many here do not. Some have not been able to give them up yet. That is their choice

I have not given up sweet tasting things not because of the bad rap about aspartame, I've read quite a few pages on the evils of aspartame or splenda and was not sc.red enough to stop. What did put me off all sweeteners was the research that found that people who consume diet soft drinks gain weight for some reason, when one would think that it would be slimming. I need to lose weight, so I avoid anything artificially sweet, and the regular drinks sweetened either by sugar or corn syrup, well that's out of the question for me who has DM t2.

Are you aware that promoting a product here without a business relationship with Alliance Health violates the Terms of Use agreement to which we all agreed to when we signed up to Diabetic Connect? You can find the TOU agreement as one of the links in the black band on the bottom of every page of DC.

You should read it carefully. The last I read the TOU the language pertaining to what you seem to be doing is 10 or 11 paragraphs from the top. But it's been a while since my last reading so that might have changed.

I for one want to keep this site smoothly and to be able to use it freely and I suspect many here would agree with me. I really enjoy coming to DC and learning things and hanging out with people who understand what it's like to have DM.

So if you want to promote your product or "opportunity" here on DC, Rod, contact the folks who can give you the permission to do it right. You will find the email address to do that in the TOU agreement.

I'm glad you were able to help your nurse friend, and your product was able to help her.

I've helped my bride "Jem" maintain her life for a while too when she was
inadvertently overdosed on potassium. The ER doc was scared we'd lose her in May. But she came out of it and was seemingly OK until July when she passed away quietly in her sleep. She had so many serious medical problems that any one of them could have killed her - she was 56 y/o.

Have a nice life Rod.

dorway
dorway 2010-11-01 03:56:57 -0500 Report

Jaybee,

Sorry to hear about the passing of Jem. I sure you really miss her.
That potassium is something else rather it's low or high.

Jaybee,

You will have to enlighten me on the reference you made on promoting a product or oppourtunity. The post I've made and the reference links I posted are the full story to source of the topic.

Are you saying we can't post related links to the very subject of the topic?

Help me out, say what you mean and give the actual point that you are making other the stating product or opportunity. I never posted a product or oppourtunity.

How about defining your point of product or opportunity that you are accusing me of.

jayabee52
jayabee52 2010-11-01 05:19:47 -0500 Report

Rod
I reviewed both what I wrote and what you had written and realize I had jumped to an unwarrented conclusion based on the website you had on your "about me" tab of your profile. I mistakenly thought that all your links to the Dorway.com pages were in relation to that rolution link in your profile.

I humbly apologise and ask your forgiveness for the wrong I've done to you.

Perhaps I wasn't clear when I said "10 or 11 paragraphs from the top" of the TOU. I believe you understood me to say that we are limited in the number of paragraphs we may post. That was not my intent. We certainly may post however many paragraphs it takes to discuss what we are talking about.

By what I said about the "10 or 11 paragraphs" I was trying to be helpful to you, pointing you to the general location in the TOU where the language I was talking about was located. I wrongly thought you were attempting to sell something and I am sorry for that.

I need to go to bed pretty soon, but first I need to email John C and let him know that I mistakenly flagged your posts as violating the TOU. I'm going to try to undo what I had mistakenly done.

humbly
James

dorway
dorway 2010-11-03 23:35:43 -0500 Report

jaybee,

I've refrained from replying to this post for the last couple days. I keep seeing you and roberts running hand and hand like a 800 pound gorilla making unimportant critical comments that is only important to yourself, such as someone making typo errors or just like the person speaking on kidneys and the comment made what does that have to do with diabetes.

Do me a favour.
Don't try and teach the teacher till you become the master!

And before you decide to make a post, think twice on what you are about to say and be considerate to others before you attempt to pass your judgement and embarras yourself.

If you wish to clean up your post, there is an edit button.

jayabee52
jayabee52 2010-11-04 22:18:40 -0500 Report

Rod, my friend,

I am well aware of the edit button Rod. When DC made a major change in format about a year or so ago I was the first one to complain that we no longer had an edit function. They were kind to us and restored it.

regarding "Don't try and teach the teacher till you become the master" I already have earned a master's degree. What do you have?

I'm a little heavy for my height, but I am not 800 lbs.

And I haven't flagged anything of yours since I flagged yours in this discussion thread because I mistakenly thought you were selling something. And when I realized I had made a mistake I did 2 things. (1) I wrote a public apology to you in this discussion and (2) I wrote an email to John C telling him of my mistaken flagging of your posts and asking him not to remove those posts I had flagged, or restore them if possible if he'd already taken action.

So if you are getting flagged it is by someone else, not me.

Regarding KD, we certainly do not coordinate. He's not even on my list of friends so I cannot email him on DC mail nor can he email me.(you can check my list on my profile) So regarding "running hand in hand" with KD, anyone who knows me well knows I don't roll that way. (as they say in the 'hood)

And from the tone of your post above it would seem that I think you are my enemy. Let me assure you that I do not think of you that way. I think some of your ideas are misguided, but not something worth going to war with you about. Just because someone calls your ideas into question doesn't mean they hate you.

I assure you that I DO think more than twice before I post a reply. Most everyone else to whom I have replied has been appreciative of my posts. Many have told me so directly in a reply or even a DC email.

I also want to clarify your seeeming confusion regarding posts to the Discussion "kidneys" You just wrote above: "just like the person speaking on kidneys and the comment made what does that have to do with diabetes."
I myself did not say "what does that have to do with diabetes."

The original poster there "Hoptown" wrote in the last line of his original post: "After all, if kidneys are functioning properly there would be no diabetes - would there?" I believed I answered his question directly and with care. I won't replay the post here due to length. Anyone else who wants to know how I answered Hoptown's query can go to this discussion: http://www.diabeticconnect.com/discussions/86... and decide for themselves if your charge has merit, or if anger over my questioning of some of your statements has clouded your reasoning.

I invite anyone who reads this to reply with their verdict. Am I "out to lunch" here? Or do I speak the truth?

May God bless you and yours

James

Chanel227
Chanel227 2010-10-31 13:22:34 -0500 Report

I really hate it when I join a serious group and immediately get the 'pitch' to buy something disguised as a serious post.

dorway
dorway 2010-11-01 03:07:58 -0500 Report

chanel who gave you the pitch to buy something and why are you posting those comments on this thread?

Anonymous
Anonymous 2010-11-01 02:12:27 -0500 Report

Sometimes things like this happen. Please don't judge Diabetic Connect by the postings of one person. the poster is violating the Terms of use agreement as Jayabee said above and the offending info should be removed as soon as the oeople running this site notice what is happening. Hope you don't go away and not come back Chanel because of this.

dorway
dorway 2010-11-01 03:06:36 -0500 Report

hey anonymous,

Explain how this poster is violating the Terms of use agreement. Not I pitching anything to buy.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2010-10-31 12:25:54 -0500 Report

You should read the book Sweet Deception. It will give you more insights to this horrible plight. There are so many things that we consume now that our bodies are not geared to do. That is why it is vital to eat whole foods, fresh items, organic ingredients when possible. I am trying to do this with my family and I will be honest, it is hard to find things that are free of these things.