Vegetarin eating

By Latest Reply 2008-09-26 09:51:14 -0500
Started 2008-09-07 09:29:40 -0500

I am starting to eat Vegetarin {sp}
I have been eating this way, but not sure if all the Carbs are good
for me. I am one of these that goes all the way in my eating either Hi Protein or Vegetarin. Does anybody know about either of
the diets best as a diabetic.
Thank you for your interest
Pennyhazelhome


21 replies

Bug - 14465
Bug - 14465 2008-09-13 06:15:18 -0500 Report

I am vegetarian and have been for years. Since becoming vegetarian, I don't count carbs and pretty much eat whatever I want…key being portion control. I am a well controlled type 2 and have been for over 23 years. I even eat 1 square of dark chocolate every day. I became vegetarian at the urging of my vegetarian daughter, she told me it would help with my diabetes, she was right. It isn't as hard as one would think, just make certain you do get protien. Have any questions…just ask, I'm here.
Good luck, Bug

2008-09-26 04:50:47 -0500 Report

Bug,
Thank you for your input, I am trying to be a vegetarin. Do you eat soy or soy
weiners etc. or just a lot of grains, veg. and fruit. I am afraid of becomming
sicker than I have been for i year. How much Carbs do you eat a day? Thank you
again.

Bug - 14465
Bug - 14465 2008-09-26 09:51:14 -0500 Report

pennyhazelhome,
I haven't counted carbs in soooo many years I wouldn't know how many I am having. YES, I know, sounds strange but after almost 24 years of being very controlled I just don't count. I eat the veggie corn dogs, they come as minis or with a stick. I prefer the minis, husband loves them. What I DO count is my fiber grams and I strive for 30-35 every day, used to go for 25-30 but recently uped it. I find that serves me well. I eat a lot of whole grains and even found that Skinny Cow ice cream is both lower in calories and provides fober…tastes good too.If it doesn't have fiber it isn't on my list of good things to eat, even my light soy milk has 1 gram per cup.

Toma
Toma 2008-09-10 08:48:30 -0500 Report

Veganism is a diet and lifestyle that seeks to exclude the use of animals for food, clothing, or any other purpose. Vegans endeavor not to use or consume animal products of any kind. The most common reasons for becoming a vegan are ethical commitment or moral convictions concerning animal rights, the environment, human health, and spiritual or religious concerns. As a political and ethical statement it is not optimized for diabetic health.

A vegan diet by definition can be either good or bad for a diabetic depending on how it is implemented. If it uses a lot of high glycemic carbohydrates such as flour, sugars etc. it could be a disaster. If the Vegan diet only included low glycemic carbs it could help lower blood glucose. One problem I see with a strict low glycemic vegan diet is the absence of the essential fatty acids EPA (Eicosapentaenoic Acid) and DHA (Docosahexaenoic Acid) which are only readily available in fish oils from fish that come from deep cold ocean waters. The other issue with a strict vegan diet is making sure all the essential bio available proteins are being consumed.

What I do is close to a vegan diet in that I eat a lot of dark and brightly colored fruits and vegetables, whole grains, nuts, berries and seeds. I also try to eat them in as close to their whole/live form as possible. I make sure when I do cook them I use gentle cooking methods such as light steaming to retain as much of the nutrients as possible. I do also eat fish and chicken breast without the skin.

Type 2 diabetes is an inflammatory disease so I also focus on anti-inflammatory foods. I can’t get the best anti-inflammatory foods with a strict vegan diet.

My style of eating has resulted in an A1C of 5.0 without any meds. (When I was diagnosed, my A1C was 20.9) There is a downloadable book and a 1600 page website that explains what I do and why at www.Diabetic-Diet-Secrets.com

2008-09-10 09:01:39 -0500 Report

Thank you Toma,
Your insight is right to the point that
I neeed. My Blood sugar is way over
500, and I need help, my Doctor is good
but doesn't understand food and way of eating. I will check the website you
suggested, only hope it will help lose the weight. Thanks again

Toma
Toma 2008-09-10 09:16:08 -0500 Report

While weight and blood glucose control are so closely linked in the popular media, they are actually two completely separate issues. One can be well controlled and still over weight from eating all the right foods but too many calories. I am about 30 pounds overweight. I eat more calories than I burn. In my opinion it is getting the right foods for glucose control while being aware of the right amount of calories consumed for the amount of exercise. I need to exercise more. The link between type 2 diabetes and obesity is actually too many high calorie, inflammatory, high glycemic foods which can cause both conditions simultaneously. As well as some of the co-existent conditions the doctors are scratching their heads about such as arthritis, fibromyalgia, Alzheimer’s and the other conditions that are being linked with higher incidences with type 2 diabetes. What they all have in common is inflammation and are all exacerbated by an inflammatory diet.

2008-09-10 09:43:59 -0500 Report

Thanks Toma,
Is eating to much meatis inflammatory
to the body. I tend to eat more then
meat then I should.
Thank you for your great Knowledge.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2008-09-10 13:08:14 -0500 Report

You will like Tomas book. We have down loaded it and been reading it. It is very in line with what we want to accomplish in our lifestyles, so it is becoming a partner in our efforts to control our BG levels. There are a lot of good things to learn in it so if you get a chance down load it. It takes a while to print, but it is worth the effort.

2008-09-10 13:19:25 -0500 Report

Gabby,
I am anxious to get to read some of the
information that is in the Book. I have kicking myself, because I have been thinking, everything I have doing is so
wrong but other people have also been
through what I going through.
Thanks Gabby,

Gabby
GabbyPA 2008-09-10 13:29:20 -0500 Report

Never kick yourself! The learning curve is HUGE and even when you think you have something understood...BAM! It throws a curveball at you. None of us have all the answers, and some of us don't even have the right ones. The best thing about being here is that everyone wants to help, and we do our best to give you what we can.
The one thing I have really learned is that what works for me may be a disaster for you. The idea is to try things carefully and in a way that you feel you are in control if something doesn't go the way you want.
I have a great family that tries so hard to help, and I appreciate that. It makes me feel good that I am not a pain in the butt...usually LOL!!
When I started here, I asked a lot of questions, started reading a lot, and got a lot of wonderful suggestions. Some I took, some I didn't, and some I will save for later when I can handle them. You have a lot to "chew" on just in this one discussion, so have fun. When you learn what works for you, turn around and share it with us. But never, never kick yourself. :)

2008-09-10 14:00:19 -0500 Report

Thanks Gabby,
I am so glad that I found Diabetic
Connect. It is for People like you and others that wrote to help me. I am new to
reaching out to people and also new to
being Diabetic and being on Insulin. All of you have been so kind and patient
with all the questions I am Asking.
Thanks,

Toma
Toma 2008-09-11 04:52:28 -0500 Report

Yes, please don't kick yourself. It is very difficult to sort through all the miss information and the process is even more difficult when those we should be able to trust explicitly such as the government and the diabetes associations are some of the main sources of the miss information.

I think it is ludicrous that the best sources of information are other diabetics but that is the sad state of affairs. The type 2 diabetes crisis is a rather recent phenomenon. In 1950 less than 1% of the population was diagnosed as diabetic. Doctors were not being taught how to deal with it and most of what they are getting is from the drug companies or ADA. ADA gets funding from the drug companies and food manufacturers. The ADA has drug company and food manufacturer executives on their Board of directors which I think taints their advice. We as type 2 diabetics are only interested in what works.

Treatment for type 2 diabetes is still in its infancy. Most of the best information on how to treat it became available within the past 10 years and new information is coming to light on a weekly basis. While the doctors, researchers and other experts are arguing about what works and spend a lot of time trying to protect their previous positions we are only interested in what works.

I was fortunate to have the time to be able to spend searching for answers. I am a 100% disabled Vietnam vet so I did not have job pressures and other things getting in my way. Finding answers for my problem became my job. Since it was so hard to find the best information I thought it was my responsibility to share what I found with others who need it. That is why I built my websites and wrote the book. I should also thank Alliance health for asking me to be part of this site. It is forums like this where we can discuss our problems and what is working for us that is changing the way type 2 diabetes is being treated.

2008-09-11 06:35:12 -0500 Report

Hi Toma,
Thank you for showing interest in sharing
your knowledge and your own problems with
Diabetes. Being new to sharing problems with people and new to Diabetes, you and others have showed me, that others have
their own problems with Diabetes. I don't
feel alone with problem any longer.
Thanks again.

Goddess
Goddess 2008-09-08 18:00:28 -0500 Report

I haven't had meat in 6 months. I guess you can call me a vegan.

2008-09-09 03:02:15 -0500 Report

Hi Misery,
Thank you for your insight about not
eating meat for 6 months. How do you
feel not eating meat that long? Thanks
again for your insight.

Goddess
Goddess 2008-09-09 04:15:58 -0500 Report

I just ate less and less until I wasnt eating any.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2008-09-09 04:44:31 -0500 Report

I really think that we eat too much meat. I know I do. Doing the vegitarian thing taught me that I don't miss it as much as I thought, and keeping it to one meal is not so hard now.

Actually a Vegan is differnt from a vegitarian. A vegitarian eats veggies and animal product free mixes, breads, cereals and they cook some of their food.

A Vegan does not apply heat over 150 degrees to anything they eat. They are a more raw and living lifestyle.
That is a very, very basic view of the two, but I found that I would much rather be a vegitarian than a vegan. Everything a raw diet requires is extremely time consuming. I would have to quit my job to fix my meals. LOL.

Plus this past week on 20/20 they did a story on people who live extreme vegan lifestyles and how it is dangerous to some, even causing death if they do not balance things out. The disorder is called ONOREXIA. I am not close to that, but it blew a little caution into my sails.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2008-09-08 06:06:11 -0500 Report

Hi,
I did the "Veggies for 30 days" challenge posted here, and found that eating many more veggies is better for me, but make sure you get your proteins in there. They come in beans, sprouts, nuts and things like tofu based products. I did not increase my carbs with grains because I am very sensiteve to those. However, I did increase my carbs in the beans, but there is also more fiber there, and they don't affect me as much as processed breads do.

I am not a veggitarian, and don't think that I could eat that way exclusivly, though I have learned to appreciate the values of good vegitalbes, meaning fresh, not canned. I think that if something can become your lifestyle, it will always be better than a diet, as that implies temporary, not perminent.

If that is a lifestye you want to have, then it will work for you. If it leaves you feeling deprived and lacking, then it will be a struggle.
I pushed myself to do a veggitarian diet to see if it was something I wanted to persue. The vegan idea was very short lived, as it is extremely time consuming and I didn't care for too much of it. But I did keep a couple of recipies that I will reuse in my everyday meal planning. I took from it what worked for me and added it to what is working for me already. That makes it easier to live with and easier to stick to.

The thing that matters most is if it is making your BG control easier, giving you the energy you need to feel good and fits into your lifstyle. Once you have that, you have something that will work for you, then you will have the success you are seeking. It might take a lot of experimenting, and as you will find here on this site, very few of us follow the exact same thing, because we are all so different.

2008-09-08 14:09:47 -0500 Report

Thank you Gabby,
Your reply gave me good insight to know
what I need to do. Eating all those grains and soy was making me tired and not feeling well. Thank you for taking
the time to Reply to my Question, It did
help

Gabby
GabbyPA 2008-09-08 14:35:34 -0500 Report

Sure, that is what we are here for. You can check out my "Veggie" challenge, I shared a lot of as I went information in there. Things I liked and didn't.
I am not saying that you won't have to find a lifestyle that is a challenge, just one that you feel good about. I have dropped almost all processed carbs, not because I wanted to, but if I want good numbers, that stuff is not allowed. I get plenty thru fruit, beans, and even veggies have some.
I am still eating a vegitarian breakfast and lunch. Then I save my meat for the family meal.

2008-09-09 02:51:28 -0500 Report

Thanks again Gabby,
Your insight is great!!!!! It makes it
easier when you can ask others for help.

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