Ramadan "Tha Muslems Fasting Month"

By Dr.Dag Latest Reply 2008-08-27 22:57:29 -0500
Started 2008-08-26 03:36:51 -0500

Ramadan "Tha Muslems Fasting Month"
What do you know about this fasting month?
Do you think it is usefull for Diabetes?
a waiting for your comments, then I'll say every thing about Muslem Fasting, also the important of fasting preopratively

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Dr.Dag 2008-08-27 22:57:29 -0500 Report

Dear Frinds
What is the purpose of fasting in Judaism?

In Judaism, the purpose of a fast is to lower the volume on our physical pursuits in order to focus more acutely on our spiritual selves. This facilitates the process of "teshuva" - literally "return." We return to G-d, and to our essential state of purity.

In the Book of Esther (4:16), Esther agreed to see the King uninvited, and asked the Jewish people to fast for three days beforehand. Esther called for a fast, knowing that through soul- searching the Jews would forge a spiritual connection necessary to make her mission successful. And it paid off, for indeed the Almighty sees and hears everyone at their time of need.

Similarly, there was another fast during the Purim story: The Jews fasted and prayed on the 13th of Adar in preparation for their defense against Haman's decree. The Torah prescribes that whenever a Jewish army goes to war, the soldiers should spend the previous day fasting. This ensures that when they go out to battle, the soldiers will be well-focused on the fact that success or failure is in the hands of God. And the fact that the soldiers are physically weakened when the battle begins assures that any victory cannot be attributed to physical prowess!

With blessings from Jerusalem,
Rabbi Shraga Simmons
From: About.com


Dr.Dag 2008-08-27 22:49:56 -0500 Report

Dear Frinds

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Fasting is primarily the act of willingly abstaining from some or all food, drink, or both, for a period of time. A fast may be total or partial concerning that from which one fasts, and may be prolonged or intermittent as to the period of fasting.

Fasting practices may preclude sexual activity as well as food, in addition to refraining from eating certain types or groups of foods; for example, one might refrain from eating meat. A complete fast in its traditional definition is abstinence of all food and liquids except for water.

Fasting for religious and spiritual reasons has been a part of human custom since pre-history. It is mentioned in the Bible, in both the Old Testament (the Tanach) and New Testament, the Qur'an, the Mahabharata, and the Upanishads. Fasting is also practiced in many other religious traditions and spiritual practices.

Fasting is also used in a medical context to refer to the state achieved after digestion of a meal. A number of metabolic adjustments occur during fasting and many medical diagnostic tests are standardized for fasting conditions. For most medical purposes a person is assumed to be fasting after 8-12 hours. A diagnostic fast refers to prolonged fasting (from 8-72 hours depending on age) conducted under medical observation for investigation of a problem, usually hypoglycemia. Fasting has occasionally been recommended as a therapeutic intervention by physicians of many cultures, though it is uncommonly resorted to for this purpose by modern doctors.

Religious fasting

Bahá'í Faith
Main article: Nineteen Day Fast
In the Bahá'í Faith, fasting is observed from sunrise to sunset during the Bahá'í month of `Ala' (between March 2 through March 20).[1] Bahá'u'lláh established the guidelines in the Kitáb-i-Aqdas. It is the complete abstaining from both food and drink (including abstaining from smoking). Observing the fast is an individual obligation, and is binding on all Bahá'ís who have reached the age of maturity, which is 15 years of age.[1]
Along with obligatory prayer, it is one of the greatest obligations of a Bahá'í.[1] The Guardian of the Bahá'í Faith, Shoghi Effendi, explains: "It is essentially a period of meditation and prayer, of spiritual recuperation, during which the believer must strive to make the necessary readjustments in his inner life, and to refresh and reinvigorate the spiritual forces latent in his soul. Its significance and purpose are, therefore, fundamentally spiritual in character. Fasting is symbolic, and a reminder of abstinence from selfish and carnal desires."

Buddhist monks and nuns following the Vinaya rules commonly do not eat each day after the noon meal. This is not considered a fast, but rather a disciplined regimen aiding in meditation. Fasting is not practiced by lay Buddhists because it is seen as a deviation from the Middle Path. This is because prior to attaining Buddhahood, prince Siddhartha practiced a regime of four years of strict austerity during which he consumed very little food. Later on this practice was abandoned since it achieved nothing. Henceforth, prince Siddhartha practiced moderation in eating which he later advocated for his disciples.
The Vajrayana practice of Nyung Ne is based on the tantric practice of Chenrezig. It is said that Chenrezig appeared to Gelongma Palmo, an Indian nun who had contracted leprosy and was on the verge of death. Chenrezig taught her the method of Nyung Ne in which one keeps the eight precepts on the first day, then refrains from both food and water on the second. Although seemingly against the Middle Way, this practice is to experience the negative karma of both oneself and all other sentient beings and, as such is seen to be of benefit. Other self-inflicted harm is discouraged.
Perhaps due to sectarian differences, some lineages of Buddhism consider taking the eight precepts, even for a limited period of time, to be a fast.[who?] In fact, they are occasionally referred to as "fasting precepts." The eight precepts closely resemble the ten vinaya precepts for novice monks and nuns. The novice precepts are the same with the prohibition against handling money. (For further information, see The Way to Buddhahood: Instructions from a Modern Chinese Master by Venerable Yin-shun.)

The "acceptable fast" is discussed in the biblical Book of Isaiah, chapter 58:3-7, and is discussed metaphorically. In essence, it means afflict the soul through abstaining from fulfilling the needs or wants of the flesh. The blessings gained from this are claimed to be substantial. Christian denominations that practice this acceptable fast often attest to the spiritual principles surrounding fasting and seek to become a testament to those principles.[citation needed] The opening chapter of the Book of Daniel, vv. 8-16, describes a partial fast and its effects on the health of its observers. Fasting is a practice in several Christian denominations or other churches. Other Christian denominations do not practice it, seeing it as a merely external observance, but many individual believers choose to observe fasts at various times at their own behest, and the Lenten fast observed in the Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church is a forty day partial fast to commemorate the fast observed by Christ during his temptation in the desert.


GabbyPA 2008-08-27 12:26:53 -0500 Report

If my understanding of fasting is correct as I have practiced it:

Isn't it's purpouse to abstain from one thing to focus on something more divine or spiritual?

This discussion seems to be turning into an argument of leagalistic perportions. Is what we choose to abstain from as important as what we are striving to obtain? A closeness with our god, a better understanding of our personal spiritual condition? Becoming as the Pharacies and making everything so black and white and absolute is what drove so many away from the truth in finding that spiritual connection in the giving up of something we enjoy/love or need to draw close to our divine maker.
It is not so much a matter of religion, nationality or differences in belief. Look for the commonality that can unite instead of the rules that divide.
I have fasted for hours, I have fasted for weeks, though not as a diabetic. The point is that my fast is between me and that which I desire to grow close to. Is that not the purpouse of any fast, be it a day, a week or a month?
I agree that our physical ailments and limitations may play a guilt in our minds that we cannot do as well or that we may fail because our bodies are not cooperative. That is between you and your god, not between you and any other man. No other person can know your heart as your god can, and if your heart is willing and your soul is ready...then your fast, no matter how long or how severe, is going to be accepted.
Just as you want your children to succeed and they have to give up things to obtain a better place in life, you don't expect them to damage themselves or endanger themselves in attmpts. You expect them to push the limits, but your love for them will keep them from harm. Is not your god so compassionate?

Dr.Dag 2008-08-27 01:50:06 -0500 Report

Dear butterfly_8
Dear Friends

Diabetes mellitus affects people of all faiths. Muslims are no exception. Many diabetic Muslims have a desire to fast during the month of Ramadan, although if they cannot for health reasons, they have a valid exemption.
The dilemma for physicians and Muslim scholars is whether or not Muslim diabetic patients
(1) should be allowed to fast if they decide to;
(2) can fast safely;
(3) can be helped to fast if they decide to;
(4 ) can have their disease monitored at home; and
(5) are going to derive any benefit or harm to their health. Fasting during Ramadan by a Muslim diabetic patient is neither his right nor Islamic obligation, but only a privilege to be allowed by his physician, at the patient's request, knowing all the dangers and assuming full responsibility in dietary compliance and glucose monitoring, with good communication between the physician and the patient .

Diabetes mellitus itself adversely affects patients' psychological states by changes in glucose metabolism, blood and CSF osmolality, needs for discipline and compliance, fear of long term complications and threat of hypoglycemic attacks and the possibility of dehydration and coma.

On the other hand, fasting during Ramadan has a tranquilizing effect on the mind, producing inner peace and decrease in anger and hostility.

Fasting Muslims realize that manifestations of anger may take away the blessings of fasting or even nullify them.

Diabetics know that stress increases the blood glucose by increasing the catecholamine level and any tool to lower the stress ; ie., biofeedback or relaxation improves diabetic control. Thus, Islamic fasting during Ramadan should have a potentially beneficial effect with regard to diabetic control.

It should be directed toward
(a) diabetic home management;
(b) preparing them for Ramadan;
(c) recognizing warning symptoms of dehydration, hypoglycemia and other possible complications.
Patients should be taught home glucose monitoring, checking urine for acetone, doing daily weights, calorie-controlled diabetic diet, need for sleep and normal exercise.
They should be able to take pulse, temperature, look for skin infection and notice changes in the sensorium ( mental alertness ) .
They should be on special alert for any colicky pain, a sign for renal colic, or hyperventilation, a sign of dehydration, and to be able to seek medical help quickly rather than wait for the next day.

· a. All male diabetics over age 20.
· b. All female diabetics over age 20 if not pregnant or nursing.
· c. Body weight normal or above ideal body weight.
· d . Absence of infection, co-existing unstable medical conditions, ie, coronary artery disease, severe hypertension (B/P 200/120), kidney stones, COPD or emphysema.
For question of any points above please ASK

For American(Am),Pakistani(Pak),and Middle Eastern(ME)
Fruit 1
1/2 c Orange Juice(Am)
1/2 Grapefruit(Pak)
1/2 Grapefruit(ME)

Starch 3
1/2 c Oatmeal1
English Muffin(Am)
1 Pit Bread
1/2 Potato Bhujia(Pak)
1 Pita Bread
1/3 c Fool Midammis(ME)

Meat 2
1 Boiled Egg
1/4 c Cottage Cheese(AM)
2 egg Omelet
1 oz Feta Cheese(PAK)
1 Boiled Egg(ME)

Fat 1
1 tsp Margarine(AM)
1 tsp Olive Oil(PAK)
1 tsp. Olive Oil
And 2 Black Olives(ME)

Skim Milk 1
1c Skim Milk(AM)
1 c Skim Milk(PAK)
1 c Laban(ME)

Free Foods
2 tsp Sugar Free Jam Coffee(AM)

Fruit 1
2 large Dates(AM)
2 large Dates(PAK)
2 large Dates(ME)

Starch 1
6 sm Vanilla Wafers(AM)
1/3 c Chana Chaat(PAK)
1/3 c Salatet Hummus(ME)

Skim Milk 1
1 c Skim Milk(AM
1 c Lassi(PAK)
1 c Rabat(ME)

Meat 3
3 oz Roast Beef(AM)
3 oz Bhuna Gosht(PAK)
3 oz Tikka Kebab(ME)

Starch 2
1 sm Baked Potato
1 Dinner Roll(AM)
1/3 c Daal
1 Chapati(PAK)
1/3 c Lentil Soup
1 Pita Bread(ME)

Vegetable 2
1 c Tossed Salad
(carrot, cucumber, tomato, radish)
1/2 c Steamed(AM)
1 c Sliced Raw Vegetables
(tomato, cucumber, onion)
1/2 c Bhindi Bhujia(PAK)
Cauliflower in Tomato
Broccoli Sauce
1/2 c Tomato and Onion
(cooked with Tikka Kebab)
1/2 c Cooked(ME)

Fat 1
2 tsp Sour Cream(AM)
1 tsp Oil used in cooking(PAK)
1 tsp Oil (used in cooking)(ME)

Fruit 1
1 Fresh Apple
15 sm Grapes 1(AM)
Fresh Apple(ME)

Free Foods
Lettuce (for salad) -as desired
2 Thl Reduced Calorie Dressing
C coffee(AM)

3 Graham Cracker(AM)
1/2 Mango(PAK)
2 Tangerines(ME)

Skim Milk 1
1 c Skim Milk(AM)
1 c Skim Milk(PAK)
1 c Laban(ME)


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Dr.Dag 2008-08-26 10:53:19 -0500 Report

Dear Misery
Really I'm glad that I have a good friend like U
Ramadan 2008

The first day of Ramadan will begin by the Sunset of August 30 in the year of 2008 for North and South America. This means that our first fasting day will be Aug.31, God willing, But in Saudi Arabia and some Arab countries will be on Sep.1st 2008
So the full data of Ramadan will be ASAP

butterfly_8 2008-08-26 16:25:52 -0500 Report

I am interested to see how a diabetic can fast. The muslims I know do not eat or drink from sunup to sundown.The only way I can see is that we switch our day to night. They can eat all night,take meds etc.after sundown.

Dr.Dag 2008-08-26 06:11:16 -0500 Report

Dear kdroberts
Thank U 4 your reply,and some of your statements are correct, but the others are not … Ofcourse I'll explaine all these things during my reply

Again I apreciate U and all our friends

kdroberts 2008-08-26 04:25:36 -0500 Report

I believe Ramadan is abstaining from food and drink between sunrise and sunset during the 9th month of the Islamic calendar.

It can be very dangerous for a diabetic to fast depending on their medication/insulin needs. I believe that all religions allow people with conditions that would put them in harms way if they fasted (diabetes is one of them, being old, under 12, pregnant are some others) to not fast without "breaking the rules."

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