Certain Vegetables a no-no?

By Safe Latest Reply 2010-01-05 02:42:20 -0600
Started 2010-01-01 15:13:25 -0600

Is asparagus a problem vegetable for diabetics?

31 replies

AddassaMari 2010-01-03 15:56:13 -0600 Report

This discussion caused me to pull out my Diabetes Self-Management Education textbook. I was looking at the nutrition section and noticed that 1/2 cup serving of vegetables, with the exception of corn, peas and shell beans (black, navy, pinto, etc), have 5g of Carbs, 2g Protein, 0g Fat and 25 Calories. (The main thing I remembered from that class was that veggies were essentially free food and not to exceed 40g of carb per meal). The book has so much more useful information. Thanks for bringing up the topic. I haven't looked at it since I completed the class.

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2010-01-04 14:22:14 -0600 Report

At least you had a class!! I had HEARD that all veggies were OK, at some point in my life, probably NOT since I am a diabetic, so this topic has been an eye-opener too! I LOVE BEANS, partly because that was what I was raised on. So any shell bean, black,navy,pinto have to be monitored? How much is in 40g of shell beans, then?I am not good at equating cups with gram/carbs—-just need a simple answer. I am trying harder to conform and frankly, I FEEL STARVED! Thank you! Pat R

AddassaMari 2010-01-05 01:21:32 -0600 Report

This is the guidelines I follow for vegetables.
Starcy vegetables, dried beans, peas, and lentils: 1 serving = 15g Carbohydrate, 3g Protein; 0-1g fat; 80 Calories.

Baked beans - 1/3 cup
Corn - 1/2 cup
Corn-on-the-cob, medium - 1 (take the supermarkets word that it is medium)
Mixed vegetables w/corn, peas, or pasta - 1 cup
Peas, green - 1/2 cup
Potato, baked or boiled - 1 small (again take the supermarkets word for it)
Potato mashed - 1/2 cup
Squash, winter (acorn or butternut) - 1 cup (sweet when brushed with olive oil and pan roasted)
Yam or sweet potato, plain - 1/3 cup
Beans, and peas (gabanzo, pinto, kidney, white, split, black-eyed) - 1/2 cup
Lima beans - 2/3 cup (more per serving than others)
Lentils - 1/2 cup

If it is not on my list as a starchy veggie then it is free. One seving is 1/2 cup of cooked vegetable, vegetable juice, or 1 cup raw vegetable = 5g Carbs, 2g Protein, 0g Fat, and 25 Calories.

That means a 45g carb breakfast would look like this: ( 3 Carbs; 1 Meat/Protein, 1 Fat) Notice that the Fruit and Milk fall in the Carbohydrate goup. Milk because it has lactose, a sugar.

1 Starch: 3/4 Cup dry Cereal OR 1/2 cup Hot Creral OR one slice of toast or 1/2 bagel
1 Fruit: 1 small banana OR 1/2 cup Fruit Juice
1 Milk: 1 cup 1% or Skim Milk
1 Meat: 1 oz Canadian Bacon OR 1 Egg (2 Egg whites for low cholesterol); OR 1 Slice Cheese OR 2Tbsp Peanut Butter
1 Fat 1 Teaspoon Margarine (or brush toast with Olive Oil for low cholesterol)
Free: Water or coffee w/sugar substitute if needed

The rest of the day I would have the following servings.
Snack: 2 Carbs -1 starch and 1 Milk OR 1 Meat
Lunch would be 2 starch; 1 Fruit, 1 Veggie (free); 3 Meat; 1 Fat' and a Free Beverage
Dinner have 3 Carbs (2 starch and 1 fruit); 3 Free veggies; 3 Meat; 1 Fat; and Free beverage.
The serving size for meat is 1 oz.
I trim my meals to 40g of Carbs, add it to my 30g snack budget for 45g and split it between two snacks. Whatever works, Right?

SkipT 2010-01-05 02:27:55 -0600 Report

There really is not such thing as a "free" food. Eat too much of anything and it will effect your BG.

AddassaMari 2010-01-05 02:42:20 -0600 Report

I feel the same way. No such thing as free food. But in the great scheme of things 5 grams of carbs and 25 calories mean that one serving probably will do nothing to your blood sugar. Hence the word nutritionists use for these food in reference to the diabetic diet is "free" with the understanding that one would not eat more than 45g of carbohydrate at one meal or 30g per snack.

Preacher1 2010-01-03 14:06:06 -0600 Report

I love vegetables and can eat almost any if in moderation. Carrots give me more problems than any other veggie. I am sparing when it comes to potatoes and corm. I absolutely love sweet peas which is why I have to be careful around them.

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2010-01-03 14:22:23 -0600 Report

Oh, Peas, now why did I think that they would be a safe vegetable, just because they are green?? I love them too! Sigh—-I like to make a veggie soup, add anything and lots of cabbage, am delighted to run across a green bean, use beans of all sorts, a piece of chicken with boullion cubes—( don't add anymore salt—)and by picking out the cabbage and tomatoes and onions—and lots of broth, it seems oK< get the flavor and fullfilling, but not all BAD veggies—-Lots of onions and tomatoes, but my husband can no longer eat tomaotoes, so take his portion out ahead.—-PR

London 2010-01-03 00:59:40 -0600 Report

I eat asparagus all the time. The big no no is cream style corn in the can. My dietician said to stay away from that.

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2010-01-03 13:56:31 -0600 Report

That is good to know, maybe having a bit of corn, but in more adaptable forms, is OK, at least for some. I used to use cream style corn a lot, when my family was home, I would make a casserole in the oven, quick and I felt, nutritous, (before Mc D's—) fixed a lot of casseroles as I worked full time too—Of course my cooking habits are changing as our life style changes, now this diabetis—my husband is so PICKY that I cook mostly the same things—-gets boring to me—-so take some of mine out and add onions, tomatoes etc, his digestive sytem is so touchy——is up all night with diarrhea a lot or gas pains—-even if I cook something simple like oats, no tomato soup, nor cooked tomatoes of any kind—etc And he isn't even a diabetic! ( I also put cream style corn in potato soup for a chowder-like and more hefty soup—-but he can't eat any corn either! Sigh—-)PR

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2010-01-02 14:52:29 -0600 Report

I have found a way to make greens, tasty—-I squeeze a bit of cheese over them, more effective than just chucks of a low cal cheese mixed in—-also I fix a lot of different greens, peppers etc, then spread one tablsp of low-fat cottage cheese over it for the dressing. It gives the taste but not the calories. I think the cafe's call it a sharp salad—or they USEDto and of course, chopped onions, for ME, I even put them on apples etc, giving that sweet/sour or salty taste that I love ! PR

tabby9146 2010-01-02 13:39:45 -0600 Report

not as far as I know. In diabetes class, I only heard about how carrots and corn could be and of course, white potatoes. I do well with all veggies, but I do limit the corn,and potatoes, but I do eat more sweet potato and enjoy that just as much as white. I try to eat more beans than I used to, good for fiber and just all around good to eat for many reasons. Can't wait to get broccoli, califlower, and greens from the garden soon.

AddassaMari 2010-01-05 00:01:20 -0600 Report

I do some container gardening and plant lots of tomatoes and lettuce varieties along with culinary herbs. Tried carrots and found that the baby types do better in pots, and I did get a good crop of bell and Italian peppers.

SkipT 2010-01-05 02:24:53 -0600 Report

Oh no, it's me again! A tomato is a fruit.

AddassaMari 2010-01-05 02:37:01 -0600 Report

I know that, you know that, most people know that, but we have been calling it a vegetable and treating it like one for so long that it barely registers when we say it.

BTW I grew some for the past three years and my youngest son picks them, wash them and eat them just like apples.

Say did the Europeans not call them Love Apples? Of course I probably have the wrong fruit.

Any how, I stand corrected. Thank you.

TwoHugs 2010-01-02 01:12:15 -0600 Report

A good diuretic !!.
Not so good veggies.corn, peas, lima beans,

JulieC 2010-01-02 05:45:21 -0600 Report

Lima Beans!…Yuck! Why cant veggies taste as good as say…chocolote? Im glad lima beans are high in carbs…I dont have a problem not eating them. But yes, potatoes, corn and peas do spike the BS…as do all those dried lentals they tell you to eat. I would rather eat a big cup of veggies than a quarter cup of be beans.

AddassaMari 2010-01-02 07:15:42 -0600 Report

I love veggies. As a group of people who have to watch every thing that passes out lips we have to get the biggest nutritional bang for our food buck.

Legumes, lentils, and beans may be high in carbohydrate but those are good carbs that take a longer to affect the blood sugar. They take longer to breakdown. A 1/2 cup serving counts as a 1 veggie or 1 protein (for vegetarians). So if weight and cholesterol management are important issues then one cannot go wrong with veggies.

Non-starchy veggies -broccoli, spinach, kale, lettuce, tomatoes-I know it's a fruit but you get the picture, etc- are low in carbs so they serve as bulk which helps to reduce carb cravings. Plus veggies have those essential micro nutrients know as phyto-nutrients that repairs and heal the body.

Think about ways to incorporate veggies into your diet. One tasty way is to have a three bean salad and substitute black beans for red, great source of iron. As for Lima beans, mash them like chunky potatoes and add a dash of fresh herbs. Yummy!

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2010-01-03 13:50:45 -0600 Report

I love to mix a colorful variety of veans and legumes, make my own "soup mix" put into a large, glass jar for display purposes too, I feel so RICH in being able to have a variety of beans!! Just my own mind set—-PR

AddassaMari 2010-01-04 14:45:50 -0600 Report

Know something Pat, I have a little cookbook and it has a gift giving section and this is one of the things they show how to to. Include the seasoning mix in a little baggie, include the instructions and you have a great inexpensive and very personal gift.

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2010-01-04 19:42:07 -0600 Report

I have layered different colors of beans in clean old pickle jars etc, but never had added any seasoning! That does sound special. I have received a qt jar of flour, etc, mix with a packet of choc chips to make choc chip cookies—that is another cheap, but yummy gift! Thanks Pat R

Antique-Dave 2010-01-01 21:43:49 -0600 Report

Like everything else you need to test to see if certain vegetables are friendly to you or not.

Corn doesn't cause me problems, potatoes I limit severely. If corn causes a sustained spike then its not good for your D.

so all I can suggest is to experiment and test. See what works for you.

AddassaMari 2010-01-01 22:00:06 -0600 Report

Did you know that sweet potatoes are actually lower in carbohydrate than other mealy or waxy types? Learned this from the nutritionist.Go figure.

Hinboyz3 2010-01-01 16:49:34 -0600 Report

I haven't had a problem with the veggies at this point. I do try to stay away from the starchy ones.

spiritwalker 2010-01-01 15:25:43 -0600 Report

In general for me vegetables aren't a problem. I tend to stay
away from starchy vegetables such as corn.

SkipT 2010-01-01 15:37:48 -0600 Report

Actually corn is a grain! They feed it to cattle to fatten them up quickly.

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2010-01-02 14:45:45 -0600 Report

Oh, Skip!!! hahah—that corn is a grain, but LOVE it anyway, but eat it sparingly, it is a SPECIAL treat about once a month. I am starting to get seed catalogs and am focusing on the many colors of lettuces—etc, have just a small garden but for two—it is plenty—-I love fresh grren beans—-there was some discussion awhile back that even they had sweets—-but I think that any vegetable in moderation, surely can't hurt!

I was told to take an ear of corn, wrap it in two wet paper towels and zap it for 2 min, and YUM, That way I can keep a few in my freezer, ready to go after the season is over when they are cheaper—-frozen strawberries are good too, and don't require much prep time! . PR

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