Can you ever go back to being a type two or off insulin

By longhornmom2002 Latest Reply 2010-06-05 13:31:53 -0500
Started 2009-12-15 11:34:54 -0600

I wanted to know if anyone has ever gone from one type to another, I was told I was type two and then now a type one, I want to go back to work and cant while on darn insulin only. any pointers and what is the deal with eating cinnamon and diabetes? I was at a luncheon yesterday with some work girls,and one that is a diabetic was eating all this sugar fat bakery goods and stuff, and I of course am eating excatly what I should even bring my own sugar free bun from home, and she said well she can eat stuff like that once a month or as long as she has alot of cinnamon. Iam a new diabetic very thin and eat only fat free and sugar free stuff and pushing 1,000 cal a day. I just am confused on what is the real deal with all of this. coming down with this has changed my life dramatically including putting me without work, and another thing seems I cant get any disability or assistance if I have any income coming in or personal insurance, have to be pretty much broke, no insurance, and down on all fours to get a darn thing??? any input Iam listening!!! Thanks

237 replies

deafmack 2010-06-05 13:31:53 -0500 Report

I know I am coming into the issue late but I need to know why you can't keep your current job if on insulin. Being on insulin should not stop you from doing your job. I am curious about this. If this is a school district policy then I would question it. It seems illegal to me but I need more information. Sometimes policies are made out of fear and are actually illegal. I want to give you some links but am waiting for a reply as to the rules for posting on this forum. Once I do I will give you the links to help you out.

Anne56 2010-01-15 14:44:11 -0600 Report

I was very recently diagnosed with diabetes during a hospital stay for pneumonia. My daughter sent me this site to consider, and I am excited about having the opportunity for "real people" supports. My first question, after reading through some of your posts, regards the restrictions that have been mentioned because of insulin use; such as, not being able to drive school buses. Why is this not possible? Are their specific job positions that people with diabetes can not hold? Or, is this because of the need to test glucose levels and take insulin via syringes? (Because there are more convenient insulin pens, I understand.) Thank you for your response.

John Crowley
John Crowley 2010-01-15 14:52:25 -0600 Report

I don't know all of the laws and restrictions that are out there. However, I know that because people who are on insulin can experience such severe low blood sugar that they can become disoriented or even lose consciousness, there are laws restricting people on insulin from jobs that could endanger others' lives. For instance, bus driver, heavy equipment operator, air traffic control, etc.

I certainly don't agree that a blanket policy is the right thing to do. But I do understand the concerns that have lead to such policies.

Anne56 2010-01-15 15:01:26 -0600 Report

Thanks for a quick, knowledgeable response. Perhaps existing laws are not "blanket" and are specific, such as, a person may be eligible for particular employment if they have not experienced extreme highs/lows for a stated, extended period of time. I am a rights advocate and activist in other realms; this is a new area for me.

Elrond 2010-01-15 16:08:32 -0600 Report

I don't know about driving jobs; I turned in my CDL when I retired but I have been unable to pass my private pilot's medical exam because of my diabetes.

kdroberts 2010-01-15 19:20:29 -0600 Report

It generally is a blanket policy, some countries (not sure if any states do this) wont even let you drive at all if you take insulin. There are other jobs that you would be excluded from (a lot in the military for example) so you would have to check the legal position of any job when the situation comes up.

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2010-01-15 22:04:11 -0600 Report

In Kansas, a severe diabetic, on Insulin, may drive. My cousins and neice drive, and have never had any incidents. But if they did, I am sure that their diabetis would come up. For them it seems like they get by OK, taking their insulin, only if they get the flu or other illness, does it vary too much, they seemed to have skinned thru that, but it is a worry to the family! One is the caregiver of her whole family and aging mom, so if she goes down, it leaves a BIG HOLE!! BUT—-

ptsparkle 2010-01-15 16:07:05 -0600 Report

It's a sensible restriction when you think about it. The same reason you are grounded if you suffer from kidney stones (as a pilot). Both can be devastating if you have an attack of k-stones or a severe low on your sugars. I came to tolerate the k-stones, but the first 4-5 episodes are like males having labor pains! Different states could have different policies, but with insulin dependants, I think you are restricted.

AddassaMari 2010-01-15 16:50:37 -0600 Report

That was a great question, I just renewed my driver's license for Texas and of the questions was about insulin use. I don't use insulin so I never thought about how it would impact the ability to drive.

BLC 2010-01-15 19:44:24 -0600 Report

I work for the Head Start program in my county and all full time Head Start staff are required to drive the bus when needed. I have a CDL but they will not let me transport the children. At one time I was at risk of losing my job because I wouldn't be able to drive the bus but I had a really great boss at the time who stood up for me and I got to keep the job I love.

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2010-01-15 22:06:01 -0600 Report

I just renewed my driver's license in Kansas too, but the only "extra" was wearing glasses. My diagnosis is 3 years but no one has ever asked me—- PR

Deb-G 2010-01-16 13:20:12 -0600 Report

Has never affected me either…until seizures came into the picture…course seizures regardless of cause are a factor in themselves…but…Diabetes diagnosis has never entered into a job application or position kept for me…but…big difference may be I dont drive to make my living…I just drive to get there :D

holisticdebra 2010-01-25 15:25:05 -0600 Report

I renewed mine and the dont even now i'm diabetic, seizures might b caused by ur meds. i would check the side effects of any meds ur on if i were u.

hanneh 2010-01-06 09:49:48 -0600 Report

Hmmm, brand new to the site, but REALLY not impressed with the bickering throughout this thread. Especially when the discussion was started by a newly diagnosed person. Hope she is able to sort through it all and find some useful information.

John Crowley
John Crowley 2010-01-06 10:05:53 -0600 Report

Yeah, hanneh, we got a few feathers ruffled here the other day. But we're all good now. We worked through it.

Welcome to the site.

holisticdebra 2010-01-07 16:40:15 -0600 Report

new to the site also people bicker cause everyone thinks their right. what works for one may not work for another. you have to b confident and believe in order for it to work. If we can't respect every ones belief we just shouldn't say anything.

Amy Tenderich
Amy Tenderich 2010-01-07 17:14:15 -0600 Report

Sorry to see people sniping at each other.

The long and the short of it is that Type 1 and Type 2 are different, but often over time, the oral drugs become ineffective for many Type 2's so they eventually need to go on insulin.

If I may, I'd like to suggest a resource I'm working on to help educate newly diagnosed diabetics:

It's called the "DiabetesMine Newly Diagnosed Care Plan" at It walks you through the basics that you need to know about Type 1 vs. Type 2, drugs, diet and living with this disease.

Click here to sign up for that:

All the best,

Anonymous 2010-01-01 23:04:24 -0600 Report

I think it is sad to see how ppl have torn each other down on this post. It is a good topic but I do not want to hang out here due to the negativity.

Melissa Dawn
Melissa Dawn 2010-01-01 17:42:57 -0600 Report

Alright, if I'm repeating anyone, please forgive me — there are a lot of replies and I got tired of looking through them all.

Type 1 diabetes generally means that your body has stopped producing insulin. Type 2 generally means your body produces insulin but doesn't use it effectively. Sometimes a Type 2 diabetic will stop producing insulin as well… If you are a Type 1 diabetic you won't be able to use oral medication. That seems to be your main hope, if I've understood correctly. Since the oral medications are treating a different problem than the insulin, Type 1 diabetics need something different.

I see you say over and over again that you eat really healthy. Unfortunately, if you have Type 1 diabetes, no diet is good enough to counter the problem on its own. Your body needs insulin — and if you aren't producing it, you'll need to get it some other way. Eating a certain diet will make controlling the disease easier, but it won't rid you of the need for insulin.

I've been using insulin since I was 11 years old. I still have to make regular adjustments, but trust me — it does get easier. Your ability to estimate your carb intake will improve. Your ability to see how the insulin ratios need to be adjusted will improve. Its not a perfect science, but it does get better.

Find a doctor you like and trust — one who wants you to maintain good control. Read books, research, and ask questions. Be an advocate for your own care. Its your life, and that means you have to know the most about your disease — because its you that's going to be affected.

Good luck! I hope you can get back to work (trust me, there are plenty of jobs you can do with diabetes — most jobs, even) soon, cuz it makes life more enjoyable. Hope that helps.

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2010-01-01 22:51:52 -0600 Report

I am impressed with your words, Melissa, as you have been there and know. Even tho I have a mild case, it helps to have others' stories to compare to! Thanks for your input! Pat R

Sue Turner
Sue Turner 2010-01-03 15:49:59 -0600 Report

Melissa I too am impressed with your response. I was diagnosed as a type 1, and I have a younger brother who is a type 2; we are both different, and require different treatments. I have only been diabetic for a yr., and half. I was misdiagnosed as type 2, I guess because of my age, and nearly died because of the misdiagnoses. I am on the pump now, and you are right diet helps, but I am still learing how to count my carbs. When I enter my carbs into my pump, it gives me the amount of insulin to cover that amount of carbs, but I am the one who is responsible for putting in the correct amount of carbs for the pump to give me the correct amount of insulin to cover the carbs. If, I screw up, and miscalculate my carbs, I have to give myself an adjustment. I am getting better with counting carbs, but I still screw up from time to time, but like you said, we have to be our own healthcare advocate, and continually educate ourselves. No one has all the right answers because we are all individual, and our bodies are different. You are right, it is not a perfect science, that is why there are no right or wrong answers; it is what works for each of us… What works for one doesn't necessarly work for another..And, it does get better, as we educate ourselves and learn more about the disease…

holisticdebra 2010-01-05 20:51:28 -0600 Report

have tried 100% organic whole foods?

Melissa Dawn
Melissa Dawn 2010-01-09 14:57:17 -0600 Report

I've had organic foods, but never made my life about eating 100% organic foods — I admit, I like some of the processed foods too much!

Melissa Dawn
Melissa Dawn 2010-01-19 14:59:05 -0600 Report

I'm not sure what you're getting at — if I'm serious about what? I'm serious about taking care of my diabetes — but I'm also serious about enjoying my life and not allowing my to diabetes define me. Mental health means something too, and if I'm stressing about making everything organic, I'm probably not going to hold it together for very long. Its generally more expensive and like I say… I like some processed foods. I can respect that you may like going all organic, but its not something I feel I must do.

Despite that, I'm fit — I'm not overweight, I generally feel well, and my diabetes is pretty well under control! I'm happy with how I'm doing. :)

holisticdebra 2010-01-25 15:23:11 -0600 Report

chill what ever floats ur boat great. if u like to eating poison thats ur choice. go to for more info and do ur own research.

Melissa Dawn
Melissa Dawn 2010-01-27 20:18:54 -0600 Report

Please don't mistake me — I wasn't being defensive or angry. Nor am I trying to give off that vibe, and I apologize if you read my comment that way. I appreciate everyone has a different idea of what is most important, and I'm glad you've found something that works for you. It just isn't something I'm interested in doing.

holisticdebra 2010-01-29 19:59:59 -0600 Report

i've been what they call borderline or pre-diabetic for 15 yrs. when i changed my diet it made a big difference in how i feel. most foods r so full of poisons that i just can't imagine anyone wanting to put that in their body. the info and research is out there we just have to look. once u learn what the organic stuff is it's not hard at all to stay on the right path. i also made this choice so my children do not have to worry about any of this blood sugar stuff, as we can prevent that problem with better choices all round. i wasn't offended i just didn't want anyone to take my choice lightly. if u eat anything with hfcs u r going to have problems with ur blood sugars no matter what u do.

kdroberts 2010-01-30 19:14:29 -0600 Report

Organic doesn't always mean better or poison free. There are plenty of organic pesticides and insecticides that can be used and the food still be classed as organic. They are all worse for the environment and some research say humans because as organic pesticides they are not engineered to target specific things that cause trouble so wipe out large bodies of all kinds of insects, good or bad. Kind of like dropping an atom bomb on a city to kill one man. The more organic foods has become a money spinner the more large companies are getting in on it and really taking away from what organic gardening started out as and was intended to be. The slack regulations around it don't help either.

I try to look out for locally grown, chemical free stuff. Small farms generally can't afford to pay for the organic certification but usually have far better growing conditions than a lot of organically certified farms.

Melissa Dawn
Melissa Dawn 2010-01-31 00:22:18 -0600 Report

In reading some your responses to others in this post, I think we'll just have to agree to disagree. I congratulate you on your management of Pre Diabetes for 15 years. That's no small thing, and I'm glad your lifestyle choices have helped you. I sincerely hope you can continue to have success. Having never had Pre Diabetes, (Type 1's don't get that chance) I can't compare.

holisticdebra 2010-02-04 19:35:31 -0600 Report

I do a food co-op which can b found in almost every city. I research the companies that use the safest means of farming and I buy from them. u can find small farms or co-ops that deliver to ur area once a wk. we live very rural n plan to raise r own one day.

holisticdebra 2009-12-30 18:16:41 -0600 Report

ur body care always repair itself, but it takes time and better choices as far as ur health goes. I have helped a few people cut back and even get off the insulin.

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-12-30 18:36:23 -0600 Report

If we follow the rules for diabetis, it is possible to get off of meds, insulin too—I have heard,but no personal experience. So often if we just follow the basic good eating rules and exercise etc-we can overcome a lot of things, no matter what you call it. God also works with ——-any of us——Hugs—Pat R

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-12-30 23:57:52 -0600 Report

It is so easy to say things that makes it sound like the topic is all inclusive, when one may just mean SOME respond to prayer, better diets and exercise. Of course there are exceptions, the human body is so complicated, but I still think that Peace of mind, thru prayer, or maybe even holistic measures, heavens weirder things have surely happened. Not that one should just quit their insulin or other meds—that would be foolish, just as foolish as blindly shutting our eyes for any other treatment of anything——Relieving stress seems to help ME, so why wouldn't it help others for whatever reason—-just voicing my opinion—-life is not a rigid set of rules—-one needs a bit of flexibility in their lives—Same goes for me and my stinging nettles, probably an old fashioned remedy would work better than all of the meds I have taken. I plan on going to town tomorrow and getting som amonia, Rosemary leaves to see if they will help MY condition—-I would try most anything! Thanks—-PR

salmanda 2009-12-31 08:06:48 -0600 Report

Hi Pat,
You have mentioned stinging nettles a couple times, but I don't know what they are. Would you please post what that is…I want to understand what one of my friends here at DC is dealing with.
Sal :)

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-12-31 11:16:57 -0600 Report

I have a post on Stinging Nettles. It is so rare to have a case like mine—-I thought maybe someone on here might have some ideas of curing them. I have been to 6 Drs and 3 Dermatologist, and no one knows. If they didn't burn, itch so badly, I wouldn't have brought them up—I did have a few pics on my profile, but they make me sick to see—so took it off.

Right now they are settling down a bit, the juice—like Poison Ivy, ran down into the palm of my right hand a few weeks ago when I was soaking in Domeboro Powder (used to make a poultice to draw the acid out—)it ran all over my palm, ITCHED like crazy, then is seepy and BURNS like fire—it finally is dried out to where it still itches, but not as deeply, and my hide is all coming off of the inside of my palm.

Might be one reason I, too, get a bit testy at times! haha-PR

holisticdebra 2010-01-03 16:27:55 -0600 Report

detox the sting nettle is in your blood stream. use red clover or some kind of chinese blood tonic to cleanse ur blood.

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2010-01-05 22:40:25 -0600 Report

Thank you!! I am still using the cooked oats too, nothing is a fast cure, but at times I think that it is helping, just soaked for 3 hrs, and peeled more dead hide off of my right hand/fingers—burns some still but is bearable. I will check the internet when I get thru here. For that particular ailment I think that your holisitic measures warrant a try!!! Cortisone, powerful IV antibiotics, 12 or more creams made it worse—-Thanks will try your way—-PR

Deb-G 2009-12-30 22:05:46 -0600 Report

I think that is a possiblity for some…to get off insulin…but…for the other half of us its what we live on lol

Elrond 2009-12-30 22:40:22 -0600 Report

Some of us aren't so lucky. My heart condition prohibits most exercise. Anything beyond walking from my van to my front door exhausts me. My cardiologist stopped the last treadmill stress test because my blood pressure was dropping dangerously. At 58 years of age, I'm forced to use those little electric carts many stores provide. The last time I tried to do without one, my onboard defibrillator zapped me in the middle of Walmart, bringing me to my knees. I seriously doubt that there's an effective holistic remedy for that.

Deb-G 2009-12-30 22:51:16 -0600 Report

Indeed Elrond :( so sorry…

I dont think there's a holistic remedy for a pancreas that doesn't produce insulin either…

While some companies do make alot of money on pumps and other things, these are the same things that allow us to live life to its fullest…so i'm thankful for them…

On the other hand I do agree for many Type 2's that lifestyle changes and choices can make extreme differences…just some of us are not so lucky :)

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-12-30 23:29:19 -0600 Report

I am sorry for anyone, , probably the type 2 was on insulin, matters changed, and they no longer had to take anything. BUT,that was in the days before I knew enough to ask questions, just heard it, nodded and went on, not realizing that some day, I too would need to pay closer attention. No two folks are alike—so may God Bless you ALL! PR

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-12-31 11:22:37 -0600 Report

I wouldn't know, maybe not on the insulin and need for it——I plead the 5th! haha—I have used those scooters too, in at Wal-Mart—-I really excited the place when i was toodling along—-throw out a foot to help slow me down, while I tried to find the brake thingy—-See? I had better WALK, less dangerous for ALL! I can't help but laugh at one incident, I was trying to stop at an "intersection" and this big, burley, foot-ball looking young man, met me, gasped and jumped back into his ailse! He did smile, but with relief, I think, that this grey haired old lady didn't mow him down. I HAD FUN!! hahah—so I am onery—-works for me!! PR

holisticdebra 2010-01-03 16:30:57 -0600 Report

holistic remedies have been around for 5000 years so the root of ur problem just hasn't been treated properly, and it's all about what u feel comfortable with as far as meds or herbs.

ptsparkle 2009-12-31 08:51:33 -0600 Report

Elrond, I wish they would make those scooters a bit more stylish and for sure a lot more speed on them!! I'm with you there,

holisticdebra 2010-01-03 16:24:46 -0600 Report

can u do deep breathing exercise three times a day? stand straight while inhaling through your nose hold for 5 seconds than exhale through your mouth. this will help increase your oxygen while getting rid of toxins in your system. have u ever heard the saying in with good air out with the bad. we take the good air in through r nose and release the bad through r mouth. this is simple exercise to start, and when u feel better u can move on to some other kinds of exercise.

holisticdebra 2010-01-03 16:13:21 -0600 Report

I know u think ur doctor is helping u but they r lying to u about ur body. If r bodies can create a baby they can surely repair themselves with time and and better choices. we r given false hope and info to keep us sick and dying. growing old shouldn't have to hurt or make us feel degraded. we shouldn't have to wear diapers and have some one feeding us @ an older age. we have filled r bodies with toxins and never been taught to cleanse r bodies as we over whelm r selves with toxins daily, water, food, & air. detoxing and exercise is the key.

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-12-30 16:28:58 -0600 Report

Oh, Dear!! I had not posted on this issue as I know nothing! But I do know tempers can flare if someone feels threatened. Maybe this post PROVES that diabetis can affect our emotions too??

If you do not know anything, just send your blessings and go on. God Bless YOU ALL!! Pat Roth

F Carrillo
F Carrillo 2009-12-30 12:19:01 -0600 Report

I am new to the website. I am finding that there are holistic ways to control diabetes without being a slave to the current medical or pharmaceutical industry which wishes us to believe that there are no other alternatives to diabetic care.

Deb-G 2009-12-30 14:38:16 -0600 Report

There's Holistic Insulin?

Sue Turner
Sue Turner 2009-12-30 14:42:24 -0600 Report

I would be interested in hearing about that one… Holistic Insulin?

holisticdebra 2010-01-07 17:02:20 -0600 Report

it's not holistic insulin,but there is something called raw pancreas glandular that help rebuild the pancreas. u can go to the ND their can answer any queations u have about ur diabetes.

Iroquois 2009-12-29 14:56:41 -0600 Report

I think some of you guys are getting out of hand and shouldn't berate one another. None of us are Drs. or endo whatever but are here to try and give advice to one anoter on what has worked for us and hasn't. We aren't here to argue or debate it makes me want to get off this site and I am new. Please STOP now. Everyone should be friends and help eachother. Kathy

salmanda 2009-12-29 17:21:08 -0600 Report

This is not the norm here. Please stay. I know you have started other discussions and folks have posted replies. So, you know we are here for the right reasons…to help and support each other.
Sal :)

Anonymous 2009-12-29 17:42:21 -0600 Report

only one decent enough too apolgize and she not one needed to others sulky like babys they are. this need to be over and out and rest of yoous grow up

salmanda 2009-12-29 19:16:07 -0600 Report

It is over unless you are trying to start it up again.

RNSTUCKUPNORTH 2009-12-29 23:44:19 -0600 Report

I just recently joined this site and this was the first post I have ever read. All I can say is WOW, only a topic such as diabetes can and will evoke such a passionate response from so many. All I can add with surety is that diabetes kills. Type 1, 2, 1.5 it causes the same catastrophic results if not controlled. So if you are well enough to post with such gusto, God bless you , for whatever treatment you are using it must be working. Keep on keeping on. Its all about the fight.(The disease and not each other)

Rainbow 2009-12-29 01:30:38 -0600 Report

Just wondering, how did you lose your job? Was it directly related to you having diabetes? I didn't think they could fire you for that, but in a round about way, I was laid off from my job, supposedly not related to my diabetes, but I just think they didn't tell me that so that they wouldn't have to deal with disability. And how is it that you can't get disability if that's what they let you go for? Also, what state are you in? I'm in California. I'm just trying to get a little insight because I am considering filing for disability, and wondering if it's even worth trying. Appreciate any info you can give, thanks in advance.

Deb-G 2009-12-29 14:18:45 -0600 Report

I dont think you can get disability with diabetes…you'd have to have several complications from it that are also keeping you from working…

Can you imagine how many people would be out of work if you couldn't work with diabetes?…oh my! lol

Deb-G 2009-12-29 14:21:19 -0600 Report

PS…your employer doesn't provide the disabilty if you can no longer work based on a desease or condition you have…thats Social Security (SSI)…Disability through your employer happens if you are injured "on" the job and unable to work temporarily because of it…Its different…

ptsparkle 2009-12-30 14:29:51 -0600 Report

I am on long term disability from my employment, since Aug 4,2008. I have applied for ssi as per required by employer. I was denied (took 6 months), then I appealed, and was denied ( another 5 months). Now the next step is to go before a judge for a hearing. This time I have an attorney. This will take about 1 year to see judge. Natl. avg. is 2 years! This is all based on my neuropathy, caused by my diabetes. Diabetic neuropathy IS one of the things that qualify for ssi. Hope this helps.

Sue Turner
Sue Turner 2009-12-30 14:39:58 -0600 Report

Good luck to you Jim. I hate to hear that you are having such a hard time with this. Hopefully, things will work out for you. Hang in there, and keep fighting!

trs1997 2009-12-22 00:08:37 -0600 Report

As a new member, this being the first thread I have read, find this to be very unappealing and unwelcoming. I would like to comment on KD's reply. Kd is indeed very knowledgable and I did not see his comments as condescending… I see them as informative. There is so much misinformation on the internet it is scary. Type 1 diabetics tend to be the ones who correct people when they classify Type 1 as the same as Type 2. Type 1 people (they have an auto immune disease which they acquired at no fault of their own) are often badgered about how if they led a healthier lifestyle they wouldn't have to take insulin… if they excerised more… if they ate less sugar… if they ate more cinnamon, ect..

I, as a mother of a Type 1 diabetic, take offense to people who classify them as the same, or come off as a knowitall about Type 1 because they are a nurse, rn, lvn, their grandma was a diabetic, ect… There are a lot of Catty women here, and I do not intend on staying.

To the site administrator: I would delete this whole post! It is the very first 4 article listings when you register… this is the first thread I read… and it will be the last.

dietcherry 2009-12-22 16:12:45 -0600 Report

To Trs1997: I, too, just joined this site about a week and a half ago. I have been T1 for 30 years but this is the first support site I've ever joined. I've always been the type to go it alone, as it were, and thought it was time I reached out to others like me. The alternative is very lonely. (I don't know one diabetic outside this site). I would like to apologize for any discomfort my posts caused you; I am not a rude person; interacting with other people by computer can make us less sensitive to them when we speak because we can't see their reaction. This is bad but what is good is that I have learned SO much from everyone posting here already; sometimes we are reaching out for information, sometimes just sympathy. I also would like to apologize to all fellow posters that I know I was ugly to and hope that I will be forgiven. I encoourage you to stay so that we may learn and sympathize with YOU! Renee :)

BLC 2009-12-22 16:16:55 -0600 Report

That was a very nice thing to do. And I agree with you, sometimes when we can't see the reaction we caused other people we do become less sensitive. But I applaud you for your apology. That was the right thing to do and I am sure there will be no hard feelings. Best of luck and Merry Christmas.

Richard157 2009-12-22 17:22:16 -0600 Report

Hello Renee, I have no quarrel with you. None at all. Thanks for the nice message! Now I'm going to go invite you to join my group of friends.


Sue Turner
Sue Turner 2009-12-22 19:11:44 -0600 Report

Renee, I personally don't think that you have anything to apologize for. But that was very sweet…You didn't do anything wrong. You were only searching for some input on something that you were concerned about, as we all are… You have no reason to feel badly about anything…hugs to you, Sue T.

salmanda 2009-12-22 20:11:24 -0600 Report

Hi TRS. I hope you stay because the folks here are very nice, and I have enjoyed most all the discussions.

Renee, You have never offended me, nor has anyone else. I appreciate all viewpoints and information so that I can make the best choices for my health. Merry Christmas to you too!
Sal :)

dianesz 2009-12-25 18:32:53 -0600 Report

I just joined and just read this as my first message. I have gotten more than half way through and I had decided that this is not what I normally would be part of. I have never seen such pettiness, rivalry, and rudeness ever. I am amazed that the group leader has not removed all of this. It is not a good reflection of this site, for sure. I am not a kid, but it sounds like a bunch of kids on here, with all of the the passive aggressive behavior and the 'sweetie' and such. I may not be on here long but I am willing to check out a couple of other posts to see if any of this is worth the time.

Antique-Dave 2009-12-29 14:41:04 -0600 Report

This thread is not typical, any members reading it should take it with a grain of salt. In the past 9 months this might be the 3rd thread I've seen that flamed.

read through the archives, it will give you a better perspective.

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