Future medical care at my age of 77 years.

Pat Roth
By Pat Roth Latest Reply 2009-12-25 10:27:58 -0600
Started 2009-12-10 23:42:03 -0600

I was coming along just fine, coming out of a deep depression of over 40 years, had that malignant kidney removed, think they got it all, even though it was a grade 3 and eating the fat in my belly! Am on oxygen at night and some during the day time, is improving.

Here is my dilema, not sure if I am depressed again, or just trying to make sense out of the government's intervention into our health care. Don't hate me, but we are on Medicare and Blue Cross and Blue Shield and were getting by, my psych meds were choking us. but—

Now, after these past few months of the govt bickering over the aged don't really need nor should expect, much health care, where do you draw the line?! I had planned on following up like my Dr recommended, after that malignant kidney was removed, turned down that experimental program, but had planned on doing the six month cat scan and blood work—-I hadn't had a breast exam or pap smear for several years, so thought I would "catch up" my medical care! Now I feel unsure of whether I should do ANYTHING MORE! PERIOD!!

What if they do find more cancer, what can they do, there is my age of 77 years, but until lately I thought I could still contribute something to humanity. Now I wonder, am I robbing the young of their, more needed, health care??! I don't want to get into their way, but am I to be written off NOW??!!

Input please——just your own gut reaction——like pulling the plug on someone who is still breathing——-PR

25 replies

Turtle 2009-12-24 23:11:36 -0600 Report

heck Pat, I just want to know how you got your 3rd gold star so fast? You just chatter away girl dont you?

Love ya,

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-12-24 23:26:07 -0600 Report

Third gold star? what is that?? I just speak my mind—-I had too much bottled up for too many years, but if it wins me stars—-I guess that is OK. I feel so much better! Merry Christmas! Pr

Turtle 2009-12-25 08:51:06 -0600 Report

The stars you get for the point system here. I know, you are a hoot and I love every second of your posts

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-12-25 10:27:58 -0600 Report

I like being a Hoot!! Better than a Hooter girl—??? Is that right? I getso confused with the NEW meanings—used to be gay—but now, I don/t think so!haha—I don/t know how the point system works—really——If I think some of my own experiences might help someone—-I yak—-

Merry Christmas Everyone! Thank God for His son, Jesus, or we would all be lost!! Pat R

DiabetesDiva 2009-12-21 20:28:03 -0600 Report

Everyone is a valuable human being, no matter the age or the condition of your health. My mother was bi-polar and on medicare & medical. My mother in law was diagnosed with breast cancer at age 80 and was still a survivor when she died at 85 of heart failure.. You are not "robbing" the youth of health care. Most of them are able to work and have insurance thru their employer. My dad just turned 86 and is a pistol! His brother dies at age 96. You're just a young kid! I know it's a struggle, but you are supposed to be here still and deserve to be here!

Take care, Kate

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-12-21 22:53:57 -0600 Report

It is just that if you hear so many say negative things about health care for anyone over 70 should be tabooo—-without someone else setting the record straight, or helping to keep one's perspective—-it is easy to get bogged down.

Our son is a PA and is having a fit over this new health care plan, and I hear today, where they bribed various officials, gave them a few goodies to make them look good to their voters' eyes, that it passed anyway—good for the most, or not! I had been watching too much TV when I posted this, where Britain was deliberately withholding treatmen for those over 70 years, if you had cancer they were not going to allow the older folks to have access to treatments that would just drag out the inevitable.

My own "will" says FIGHT, but on a tired day, it gets kinda hard, sometimes——-thanks for the positive input—I will do what I am supposed to do—and feel right about, but frankly, life has been so painful that I dont much care if it lasts too much longer. I know that sounds terrible, but ——I was able to sing, "O Holy Night at our church program last night, and it went better than it had before I had my oxygen and Symbicort inhaler——I BREATHED on the O2 during the 7 mile drive to church—-then left it in the car—-didn't want to drag my canister up to the stage and huff and puff thru the ambviance of the music——-might have detracted a bit! haha—I am getting better so maybe at least my music might still be there for me. - so maybe things are looking up——THANKS!! PR

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-12-14 11:26:38 -0600 Report

Thanks you for all of your input, it helps me to clarify things, I need that every so often—so much negativity one needs a balancing place, like HERE, get it ALL out in the open and regain your perspective! Thanks Pat R

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-12-14 11:28:01 -0600 Report

Going back to when life was simpler (for me) is my profile pic of me at 1 year, setting on my mother's lap! Sigh—she has been gone 2 years, died at 98 yrs—-

alanbossman 2009-12-12 08:34:57 -0600 Report

Hi Pat, I know how you feel about health care reform and it is scary. You need to hang in there as Sue,Harlen and others have said we all have paid into the system. Even though we all have paid into social sercuity. Dont try to collect your money you have paid in. The govt. seems to think its their money. I better stop .

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-12-12 09:53:08 -0600 Report

haha—wise man! Our oldest son is of the tea party reform! Like you said, we could go on—-it just seems to render us helpless—-telling us things that don't ADD UP—-they just can't—-I feel like we are all getting caught up in a web of deceit—-not a very relaxing thing——Maybe he said positive things about our country as he accepted the NObel Peace Prize, but does he believe them?? Yesterday the news said that they were not have a true nativity scene at the White House, something else——more universal or such—-His religion and upbringing ARE affecting us all, no matter what HE SAYS! I find comfort here at this site! Thanks for the support—it is for us ALL!! PR

centrider 2009-12-13 00:32:14 -0600 Report

Well, generally I'll disagree with all, politically. At 77 there's nobody trying to run you down, least of all the Gov't.

All of us who have made the line at 65 and have Medicare are the lucky ones. Too bad it's not being extended to the whole population.

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-12-13 00:44:18 -0600 Report

If that was the way it worked, but I am not sure that even the younger ones or the ones without insurance, are going to benefit! I wish that they could!!!! I do NOT know how anyone can keep up with all of their medical expenses at any age. The whole situation is so sticky, I can see no good in any of it. The lies told and discrepancies, add to my mistrust of them, but I will go ahead and do what I see fit. If anyone says NO——-well, I guess time will tell, won't it? PR

mamaoak 2009-12-11 14:24:52 -0600 Report

Pat ou deserve the same as anyone dont give up you paid into the system and you should not be refused treatment because of your age . keep liveing dont give up some day it will be the younger generations turn.

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-12-11 12:55:15 -0600 Report

Thanks you so much for the support!! When one hears mostly negative things, I begin to wonder if I am on a different page of the same, or different, book! When ones self esteem is shaky it is too easy for the negatives of this world, including our govt, to wonder. I think that one thing that hit me was when I was offered that experimental treatment, saw no need to create sores on the palms of my hands and feet—-or accept the fact that I am 77 and have lived a full life (my oncologists' remarks—-my own DR!) , then the TV came on with several articles of not treating folks over 70 years—-frankly, it came as a surprise and a let down——-I had been so proud of the progress I had made in creating a more positive person—-I thought—was I wrong?

Well, like you say, I am still here so it is up to me to keep kicking and show the younger ones how it is to SURVIVE!! Thanks so much for showing me that you appreciate my feeble attempts to help others, and thus myself! God Bless you ALL!! Hugs, Pat R

Sue Turner
Sue Turner 2009-12-11 15:05:07 -0600 Report

You hang in there Pat! I admire your spunk. Remember you are the only you there is, and you have got to think of and take care of you. Try to keep that positive attitude, and don't let these things get what you have worked so hard to accomplish tear you down. These people who make these negative remarks, and suggestions, don't know what they may face in the future themselves, if they live long enough! It's not so funny when the shoe is on the other foot. Hugs to you. :))))) Your friend, Sue T.

hbkunkel 2009-12-11 10:58:27 -0600 Report

My first reaction Pat is that you are only 77 years YOUNG!!! You deserve a good full life and get everything you can so the quality of your life is good. Every time I see your name on a posting my face lights up because I associate you with good things to say and value your opinion. I want to continue seeing your name for a very long time and truly do not feel that you are "old". Go with Gusto for the things you need.

Sue Turner
Sue Turner 2009-12-11 15:11:59 -0600 Report

Aman, Betsie! I am right there with you!!!:)))) I agree wholeheartly with you. And Pat I want to see your face on here for a long time as well. My grandmother lived to be 98 years old, and she never right up to the end considered herself an old person. She didn't act old, she didn't dress old, and she didn't think old. I think maybe that is why she lived such a long life. She always said that she was going to live to be 100, then that was long enough. And, if her hip had not have broken, I think she would have made it. But she was dancing when that happened…LOL She was something else. I have wished many times that I had her spunk. My mother was the same way. I said they had "true grit!" I don't have what they had, sorry to say. I let everything get me down. Your friend, Sue T.

Sam Stokes
Sam Stokes 2009-12-11 09:36:55 -0600 Report

Hi Pat I'm a firm believer that if we wake up to a new day that our live is a much needed blessing to others,the older we get the more wisdom we've abtained , what Janet and I both realized is we must share all we have learned because the govt , big pharm ,and money makers ,are not sharing orwilling to share anything to help others unless it's money driven . It's people like this family that truly makes a difference.We younger folks make may errors ,but the most important one is to learn from our elders thank you so much for being here.

Harlen 2009-12-11 09:28:20 -0600 Report

Hello Pat
First keep up the good work
When I pay for something I expec to get it I have payd into medacare for 37 years I have payed therfor I wish to get my Med and meds free I have payed and when the yung get to that point in there life where they have payed they will get it .If not its up to them to fight it .
This is the time in your life you dont need the stress of DO I OR DONT i NEED IT HOW CAN I PAY FOR IT You have already Payed for it once. I dont think there needs to be any copays or anything you have payed!!!!
Well I will not rant and rave .
Best wishes
Love and Hugs

ptsparkle 2009-12-11 01:40:16 -0600 Report

You have been through the wringer. Don't ever feel like you are a burden on society. Us old geezers have spent a lifetime of working and being taxed, only to find our wonderful Govt. plunderung it away. I don't want to get into politics, but I have saved a bunch of money on my elect, bill. Every time I see Obama or the congress on t.v., I shut it off, thus saving money, cause they ARE ALWAYS ON!!! You hang in there girl, and get the tests and exams you need.

Sue Turner
Sue Turner 2009-12-11 15:19:01 -0600 Report

You go Jim!!!!! I can't see that our government has done anything good for us with regard to the medical situation. They are always bragging about what all they have done to help us, but I just can't see it myself. Am I missing something, or am I right???? I don't know anymore. I am totally confused. Your friend, Sue T.

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-12-11 19:52:53 -0600 Report

Boy, me too!! Part of my confusion, I think, and I know that I can't be alone! I wonder how many other older folks are getting the message that their later years are a waste! I used to listen to Fox news, have listened to other stations CNN—-lately, and couldn't believe that they were talking about the same president!!!

I was at the head of my high school classes, thought I was fairly intelligent—BUT how in the world can they BRAG about all they have done—-and try to make us BELIEVE THEM?? Well, I don't think so!!

It helped me to feel better, joining a red hat group that filled 10 boxes overflowing with food, for some of the needy in our own town!! At least we could help a few that the govt seems to have kicked out of their paying jobs!! PR

Monalisa 2009-12-11 01:15:11 -0600 Report

Dear Pat, you have the right to live and recieve the same medical care and empathy as a younger person would, you also have the right to decide how YOU want to spend the rest of your days, at 77 you are a very strong and brave woman that knows how to live day by day and make the best decisions for YOU !!! Please don't give up and live your fullest, hugs…LISA

Sue Turner
Sue Turner 2009-12-11 15:26:30 -0600 Report

I agree with you too Lisa: This generation just does not have the respect that I was taught when I was growing up it seems. I don't know where we went wrong. We are living in a very greaty and self obsorbed, me, me, society. I took care of both my parents until the day they died, and I shutter to think about what would happen to me, if it came down to my children taking care me. It's a very scary thought. Don't want to bring anyone down, but that is just the way I feel at this point in my life.

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