Hello, Dear Friends!! I am back!!

Pat Roth
By Pat Roth Latest Reply 2009-11-18 17:23:43 -0600
Started 2009-09-05 15:13:40 -0500

Hi, my dear, supportive DC FAMILY!! It is wonderful to be home for a few days before I go back to the big city hospital (Wichita) for surgery!

Yes, surgery! And surprise, surprise, I EVEN didn't have a clue as to the REAL, BASIC, problem until they x-rayed my bad, left lung, verified that I had had many bouts of asthma, leaving large amounts of calcification strung through out it causing some of my difficlty of breathing and not walking to much— In the phone call-back of the tech reading my chest report, stated that there was something lower than the chest, so back into the room for another cat-scan of my abdomen, but it was nothing to do with my usual colon or even chest problems—-there was a large tumor on my left kidney!!!!! Well, now, even I was shocked!! Kidney???!! I absolutly had NO warning that my kidney was having ANY problems, no infections, no blood in the urine—-NOTHING, it was an ACCIDENT that they even found it and if I hadn't gone in bawling and shaking about this cold, cough, belly trouble, that was NOT adding up in MY book, let alone the DRs!!! They would not have scanned my chest and caught the corner of this mass!

So THAT is why my left side kept feeling like it was drawing—felt so full, aching clear up into my back under my left shoulder blade, it was NOT the lung, but this mass!! Now how lucky can that be??!! I am sure by the time that mass had started bleeding etc, it really would have been too late, but this way, they put me on oxygen, gave me an IV of Rochen and Vithromax to finish knocking out the rest of that "cold"—breathing treatments that really helped to clear out the rest of that mucous—my body just felt TOO TIRED to finish the fight, felt that TOO MUCH was being drained out of me!!! And it WAS!!! I rested between many tests, have been assurred by my surgeon that it looks 96 1/2% malignant, but it isencpsulated and doesn't look like it has spread yet, there is also a spot in that left lung that needs to be watched——-my dad had died of lung cancer and I had tried to be watchful of that lung, besides it bothers me so much, NOW I KNOW WHY!!

On this site we have discussed many times about our Drs not paying attention to our complaints, try to write us off, convince us that we do NOT know our own bodies! Well, I am here to tell you, LISTEN to your own BODIES! We know the nudges our bodies give us that "things aren't quite right" for whatever reason! Know yourself, then hang firm, not hatefully or they will turn you off——and keep trying to get through to the Drs,,, they are mostly good guys, just tired, and we all get so we don't want to be bothered by anything else—-anothersickpatient—or whatever——so may not really listen———but if you KNOW that something is wrong, gently , but firmly, INSIST! Till yOU feel comfortable with YOUR inner self that you have been listened to, THEN a diagnosis reached, working together—-

I am not bitter, just thankful that FINALLY the Drs are listening with a new respect——and I am in a better frame of mind by venting to you kind folks on this site and to FEEL accepted even if I have felt ONERY at times—-that is OK< IT is a sign that something is wrong and you had better ge on it! To feel that OTHERS DO LISTEN to me—-has been the very boost that I have long ,desparately needed!!!

More information for you kind folks, is—they have taken me off of Metformin (hard on the kidneys—-who knew????) and Lisinopril as my BP has FINALLY come down and I don't need it—-BP was 90/53 in the hosp. so that is ONE more pill gone from my little boxes!! Ha

I have to beoff ASPIRIN for 10 days as the veins to the kidneys are LARGE and they want NO chance of bleeding out—-then I go back in Sept 15th to have the left kidney and mass removed, should be in the hospital another 6 days—at least—they said—-then home!!! And NOW feel sure that I will feel even better than before—hahha—Well, I HAVE TO!! For pitiesake!!

I have so missed my friends here, could hardly wait to reconnect when I got home, I haven't even eaten dinner and here it is 1pm!! haha— I can eat better too, but my good habits of careful eathing are paying off, my BS went up to 201, they had something order if it went really high, but I was fortunate to NOT need it—-so BS were mostly 123—-160 and I even got juices to dring and I sure wasn't getting any exercise!! H A__BUt now I know better than to keep on the Bad Track, and am getting back on, am starting to walk again—so watch out folks, for my dust! Up there they said I was a "HOOT"! I loved it—-now I am a Hooter Miss Kansas!! hjah—Pat roth, Kansas—-getting cooler tooooo——

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flores 2009-11-07 20:06:22 -0600 Report

hello Pat,I know it's been a while since we've talked but I have had severe headaches on the left side of my brain. they have run tests but no find anything.going to do another cat scan and hope they find something,The headache gets real bad,and i start sweating,nausead;then I also get sleepy and have had small sleepy spells when I and my wife have to go to Dr. appt.'s.They said one thing that my blood level is too high and started to take small pint of blood from me at a time to see if it helps. But it has made my headaches worse.I also have problems with my digesting certain solid foods,I get nauseaded and cramps and when I do have a bowel movement I bleed a little but the tests they took didn't show anycancer or pollyps. They are puzzleed with me. My wife is having steroid shots for her back and leg pain but that's causing high glucose readings and some eye problems.She also uses oxygen for shortness of breath.She gets nervous if she drives and a little sleepy so she scared if she has to drive.We always say a prayer when we're on the road to get safely to where we're going and also to back home safely.But I'm glad and happy for you that you are doing better just hang in there and enjoy life at it's best.talk to you later andGod Bless you and have a good day.Roger,Lina

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-11-08 20:02:08 -0600 Report

Thank you, flores!! I attended our Heritage Service at our Mehodist church this morn, sang in the choir, the music was so MOVING, I almost cried, God is good, and I am doing OK, so much better off than some!! Hugs to you and yours! Pat R

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-11-01 23:05:13 -0600 Report

You know what, as i continue to stumble along——I had mycancer removed Sept 15th, and I THINK that my BS is slowly coming under control!! I was told to use 1/2 of Glipizide, but it bottomed me out, so cut it into 1/4ths—-and still got almost too low—-now I am skipping days, not taking anything, eating what I want, but still staying with small amts of sensible food—-my high at 10pm, was 131! Now isn't that super??!!

What I am wondering is, I was Borderline for over 50 years, then about 3 years ago, I edged over—-not higher than 200 tho, then that cancer and kidney were removed and NOW MY BS seem to be edging down to a normal —-no jumpy highs and lows—-Do you suppose that that cancer and kidney were the factors that were causing my BS to stay up—-It really never got wild——Perhaps that surgery healed more than just the cancer!!! Reckon???!!! Hope so!! But I will keep a check on it!! Pat R

imsuzie2 2009-11-02 05:42:11 -0600 Report

Pat, that is an interesting thought. Ask your doc if the cancer could have pushed you to diabetes. And, does your doc have any guess as to how long it was growing? I'll have to ask my husband's primary is she can guess how long his was growing…S2

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-11-02 14:26:43 -0600 Report

Yow, I thought that it might help others—not sure how—-but maybe knowing it, could! PR

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-11-02 23:22:52 -0600 Report

You bet, Suzie!! How is his BS now, since his own surgery? Today I took 1/4 of 5 mg of Glipizide and it dropped to 73 and was going on down, so better not take it again until I see my Dr on the 11th. Nighty night!! PR

imsuzie2 2009-11-03 03:53:10 -0600 Report

He is not diabetic, yet. If he keeps eating all that crap, it won't be long! If your bs goes up, keep the meds close and keep to the 1/4 til you see the Dr. The 11th is Veteran's Day…make sure the date is right. Some places close for it. Hugs

tholz 2009-10-09 19:37:32 -0500 Report

So what is it that you will not take. Do you need to.

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-10-09 22:33:19 -0500 Report

Well, I HOPE that I made the right choice to NOT get into the experimental program, Dr said I might take one or two placeboes, or another pill that could cause blisters on the inside of my hands and the bottoms of my feet etc—and i just can't go there, even tho there is a SLIGHT risk that they didn't get it all—-it was still encased, and even if a large tumor and a grade 3, it is still possible that they got it all, it has not shown up anywhere else, and he things that that spot in my left lung is just a calcified spot from so much pneumonia and bronchitis—-Sounds good to me—

The way I understand this pill business is , with other kinds of cancer, but NOT kidney, they can give you one pill a day, but it seems to be proven that it does help to PREVENT cancer reacurring, where this trial pill, isn't proven at all, use some of us as guenea pigs, and I don't want to go there. I feel better than I have in years, that draining on my energies, has ceased now—-other aches are clearing up, guess I was a bit anxious that they might get worse—did for one week, but have subsided now, so I FEEL that I made the right decision.

The way I get it is if they don't get the whole cancerous kidney with surgery, there is nothing more that can be done—-Kidneys have a way of throwing out chemo that can help other types. They said that kidney cancer was rare, but was more cureable if CUT OUT in time, where others need chemo, radiation, and then their outcome is iffy——so guess if I had to get cancer, this one was the way to go, and found, ACCIDENTALLY< in TIME!! Praise the Lord for the neighbor kids giving me the sniffles so a cat scan was necessary to check that left lung, but accidentally found that mass. I had NO CLUES!! No blood in the urine, NOTHING!

My mind still feels a bit stimied—-unreal—-but am getting stronger! Hugs, to ALL, Pat R

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-10-09 09:11:55 -0500 Report

Thanks to ALL for your neat support, for being there when I really needed bodies to help keep me afloat!! Can't you just see us all floating, yakking and splashing around in the lake of life, having a GREAT OLD TIME!! Nothing like SWEET, Supportive, FRIENDS!! Pat R

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-10-08 18:43:23 -0500 Report

I just got back from my cancer Dr meeting, I am FREE for 6 months, I again, said NO to the daily pill or pills experimental trial, Why should I make myself feel worse, I will live my life to its fullest, I am 77 yrs., and have had a good life, so, on with the show, come what may, I know that God will lead me down the correct path. Thanks for all of your kind support, it has been much appreciated! hugs to all—-Pat R

BLC 2009-10-08 19:25:31 -0500 Report

You made me smile tonight. Thank you. I needed that. Your a neat person Pat.

daniel velazco
daniel velazco 2009-10-08 19:59:19 -0500 Report

Hi Pat,Glad to hear that you are doing great. I will keep you in my prayers so that you keep doing good. I just love reading your postins. Dan

daniel velazco
daniel velazco 2009-10-08 19:59:25 -0500 Report

Hi Pat,Glad to hear that you are doing great. I will keep you in my prayers so that you keep doing good. I just love reading your postins. Dan

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-09-10 11:35:00 -0500 Report

Hi, I just had to come on line and tell you what was just said to me—-I am so thankful that I have reached a point in my life when I can laugh at "well-meaning" folks!!

As my friend was leaving our home a few minutes ago she kindly told me of a friend of hers who had a friend stop by for a few days during Labor Day holiday, had a massive heart attack in the other woman's home and died 2 days later. (OH?? was my response—-)

She assurredly told me that she told me that to let me know that others are worse off than I! I just bust out laughing in her face—-REALLY—well, facing a surgery of a mass on my left kidney might kinda be up there—-sure we all KNOW that things can be worse, but do they have to happen before good wishes come??! People never cease to amaze me——-I have been in good spirits as I finally know what my problem is, and there will be a cutting decision then I should be all better!!! Since they gave me IV antibiotics for this crud that was stirring it up, it does feel better, no pain, just an achy—drawing—so why shouldn't I be in good spirits!??! People!! They can be amusing!

Go figure! Yours Truly—-Pat R

salmanda 2009-09-10 21:11:26 -0500 Report

Another one is all the women who tell horror stories of pregnancy, labor, and delivery to first time expectant mothers! That one just drives me nuts!
I know people mean well, but some just exercise no common sense.

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-09-10 22:47:21 -0500 Report

Amen!!! Thank Heavens for a good sense of humor or the cases of strangualtions might rise! ha—PR

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-09-10 09:02:47 -0500 Report

Thanks to ALL for your replies and information, now I don't feel so uncertain about the future. Guess we all are blazing trails into the unknown, but with good, supportive friends at our side, it isn't so scary!! God Bless you ALL!!! Pat Roth

gma 2009-09-08 18:34:00 -0500 Report

Ok Mom! you know we all love you and your posts at least I do so hurry up and get better.

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-09-09 10:09:45 -0500 Report

Thanks Kiddo, I won't let you and the rest of my family, DOWN! Up and a-going in no time—hah—Hugs, PR

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Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-09-08 20:00:41 -0500 Report

Hey, watch those beds, they can be dangerous! Glad that you are BETTER!!! Did I ever tell you that I caught my little toe in the sheets one morning as I TRIED to swing out of bed!?! Ouch, had to limp at work all day and you should have seen people's reactions when they asked me what was wrong——DUh! ha—PR

Bekki Diabetic
Bekki Diabetic 2009-09-07 09:24:52 -0500 Report

PTL! I have so thankful that you persisted in being onery and complaining about your health, otherwise, you may not have found the tumor. I will keep you in my prayers for a speedy recovery. Attitude is a big part of recovery and it sounds to me as if you have that down pat.

I am also thankful for the DC website. We all have an outlet for our complaints, questions, etc.

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-09-07 12:17:59 -0500 Report

Thank you, too, Bekki—— You don't know how much more positive I FEEL , knowing that I am appreciated for me, being, me!! God Bless you ALL! Pat Roth

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-09-06 23:22:00 -0500 Report

Thank you ALL for your support! yes, legs in a fridge is a bit much, but so was my GRANDMOTHER! haha—Maybe that is where I get my oneriness!! ha—I will be BACK, I want to see the Drs squirm, that told me that I was IMAGINING My ailments for years, sending me over the edge emotionally too———trying to believe THEM and NOT MYSELF, which was really MY problem—-but—-maybe this will add to the Drs' awareness to treat emotionally challenged patients with more respect and to LISTEN TO US!! !! Well, I guess that I know better now, don't I? haha—I am going to bed with a lighter heart, thanks to all of YOU!! Hugs and prayers for ALL, Pat Roth

salmanda 2009-09-06 23:40:00 -0500 Report

My thoughts and prayers are with you. I am sure you will do fine with your surgery. Hurry back and let us know how you are doing as soon as you feel up to it. Take care.

imsuzie2 2009-09-07 05:22:49 -0500 Report

Hi Pat…interesting story of your kidney. My husband did have blood in his urine in Nov, and we went to the HMO urgent care (NV) and they did cultures for infection and treated that. The other tests suggested he said he would have his VA doctor run, but somewhere that got lost between 2 different facilities. Fast forward to his appt in early June, and complaining of lots of coughing and phlegm…VA doc asked if he wanted a referral to "pulmonary" and husband said yes. Doc ordered a chest X-ray, said it would be needed. Doc called back within the week saying they wanted a CT scan, they saw something and wanted a closer look. The CT scan of the lungs caught the upper portion of the kidneys and the tumor on his right kidney. Doc had him do a CT scan of the abdomen, and that is when they confirmed the tumor, saying it looked encapsulated. VA sent us to San Diego for the pre-op work-up, hospitalized him for 3 days of testing since he is a heart patient (and diagnosed A-Fib to his already heart disease and that will be addressed after his recovery)…tumor came out Aug 10, biopsy determined it STAYED encapsulated (don't wait, go, go, go as fast as you can to the surgeon) so with the removal of the kidney, he needs NO chemo or radiation. My nephew said that the tumor breaks out of the encapsulation around 8 cm in size, and Mike's was 7.5 cm's. It was staged as stage 2 because over 7 cm's, it becomes stage 2…the lungs have some scaring (he smoked), but the pulmonary doc said it is minimal, and he will repeat the CT scan in Dec. Urologist said after we see him this Thurs, for the 1 month check-up, he will have my husband monitored closely and have to repeat blood work and CT scans every 3 to 6 months, so you probably have that to look forward to as well. As for my husband, surgery was on Monday, and he was released on Thurs afternoon. They had him on a catheter til midnight Tues, and nothing by mouth til Wed, when he got jello and broth…no solid food til Thurs breakfast and lunch before they let him leave. Any other questions you might have on his experience, let me know…hugs and prayers, and stay your ornery and positive self, it works miracles in recovering. S2

salmanda 2009-09-07 06:19:50 -0500 Report

So glad to hear your husband is doing well, and that the cancer was caught before it spread! It sounds like your hubby and Pat Roth are very lucky they persisted with their health concerns.

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-09-07 12:15:51 -0500 Report

Oh, MY!!!!! I am SPEECHLESS!! Your answer was my own, unasked question of others having gone through similar experiences and I didn't know enough to ask—-HOW WONDERFUL that your dear husband is coming along so well, and with his own complications! No Dr has told me as much as you have—-THANK YOU!!!

So I read my report from the radiologist on my way to the second hospital and read where it was 6.5X 9.? X 12—-I believe—-I sure did not know about the encapsulation thing, THANKS AGAIN!! And goes along with similar lung condition———WOW! You are a GOD SEND!! You have brightened my morning as I love to know what is going on, if someone will tell me—-I will listen, and THANKS too for appreciating my style of humor! My surgeon said he liked it too, so all should go well!!

Thank you, Dear Guardian Angel!!! Hugs pat roth

imsuzie2 2009-09-08 03:35:29 -0500 Report

My goodness, Pat, the Ying and Yang!! You are so right about the similarities in your current medical histories. Guess he has the heart problems and you have diabetes, but both having a tumor and lung issues. You have caught you tumor earlier, I believe, it sure sounds smaller. And, feel free to ask any questions and I will answer as best as I can. I am going to send you a note, I want your email, and I will send you the daily reports I wrote to friends and family on his hospitalization and surgery, and if you want, recovery. I also have a link to an article a friend gave me about Renal Cell Carcinoma that will give you good info, and hopefully make you feel as good as it did me. I did all the worrying in this duo! Also, I had lots of friends and family saying prayers, but the one that meant the most was the friend that sent "Guardian Angels" to surround us during this time. Oh, I sent my husband to surgery with a "rally monkey" we bought at a baseball game in June…the surgeons and nurses said they put it in a sterile bag and let it stay with him during the operation. Hugs, Pat

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-09-08 12:00:57 -0500 Report

Hi again!! The fact that both your husband's and mine were caught accidentally on the cat scan, originally for the lung—- I have checked out more info about kidney cancer on the internet, and it is COMMON to catch it accidentally when a scan is being done for another part of the body! How WONDERFUL to be given timely warnings as there aren't that many timely ones!!

Yes, I gathered that mine must be smaller than his, also read on the internet where when it is called, "Encapsulated" it is covered with a leather like substance, keeping it in one place, why biopsy's are a no-no, if that needle is stuck into it, it breaks the encasing and there is a chance for it to then spread!! SO, again, WE ARE SO FORTUNATE!!

My Dr told me that radiation and chemo are not possibe for this type—is that what you were told? I don't quite understand—my mother-in-law had kidney cancer, they removed it, had blood in her urine and was treated for an infection for 6 mos before something changed enough to warn the Drs. Not sure what—but it was too late for her, but she did receive chemo and radiation, but it didn't help her, maybe that is the part that the Drs meant that that type doesn't react to those methods of treatment. She wasn't diabetic either.

My own BS have been fairly consistant, I am just so thankful that I had come to the point where I had accepted the fact of watching my diet etc, so that part has not been hard—the good habit had already formed!

I have a question, I am to be off of aspirin for 10 days Re- bleeding, started last Mon. but this morning I ran my finger into my nose to help clear out that morning STUFF, and it started bleeding——had to put in several different plugs in to get it to stop. Should I say something to a Dr? I dont usually bleed like that, but why now when I have been off of aspirin for a week?

The surgeon did tell me that large veins, or whatever, feed into the kidney so they wanted nothing to bleed out—-just wondering—-this is another NEW experience for me—-at least life doesn't get boring, does it??!!

Yes, please keep me informed as to your husband's progress, If I can help YOU, that will help ME too!! Hugs, and PRAYERS!! Pat R

imsuzie2 2009-09-09 03:36:15 -0500 Report

Hi Pat…the article is coming after I log off here! You are so right in the research you are reading (that I probable read)…kidney cancer in the early stages doesn't really have symptoms that ring any bells, and it most often found when other body complaints are being taken care of, by accident, if you are lucky. Yes, kidneys bleed a lot or have lots of veins and arteries feeding into it, so if they do a biopsy, it is VERY easy for cancer cells to leak out into the blood stream and invade other organs or bones or marrow…the article said chemo and radiation just aren't very effective in this kind of cancer.

Aspirin, Vit E and some other meds and herbs and supplements thin the blood, and since bleeding is so common with surgery, they don't want to make it easier for lots of bleeding I would mention the nose bleed to your doctor…better to be aware of what is happening in your body. I think I heard or was told there are lots of vessels in the nose and it bleeds easily, but I DO NOT have medical training and can be very wrong. I have also done that, and it is scary when it takes so long to get it to stop! Have you ever used "Ocean Spray" or saline spray in your nose? Helps to keep it moist (we have very little humidity in LV) and if you spray before you blow, it softens the "morning stuff". Also, it sounds like your mother-in-law's cancer had already spread when they removed her kidney…was it over 8 cm's? Hugs and angels surrounding you!

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-09-09 10:08:58 -0500 Report

Hi, Susie2! oh, I just remembered, I was on oxygen for several days that I was up there, I BET that is where it came from—it just surprised me, especially since I have been careful in not taking aspirin and stuff——I used to have a bad problem of bruising, 30 oro 40 bruises on my legs etc, but I was staying up 24-7, more or less, with sick children who had a severe colonc problem. thought that it was Celiac, they also had pneumonia a lot—-they called it idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpurera—-meaning, "they didn't know what caused the bruising"! hah—-that always tickled my funny bone. YOu reckon that we coulc get by with using big names when we were uncertain??!

Thanks so much for the information, I have it copied, along with this site for further reading in my easy chair—-if I ever get to it—! Ha That is one reason I didn't protest my 5 day stay at a hosp. knowing that there would be no rest once I got home, and did not want to come back and still feel as lousy as I had before I went in. and I feel good now—just that achy-drawing feeling in my left side, but the pain has subsided, Thank Heavens! Hugs, Pat R

imsuzie2 2009-09-10 02:14:41 -0500 Report

Hi Pat

I bruise easily too, so my last primary, about 4 years ago, told me to only take my baby aspirin every other day, and I don't bruise as badly as I did before.

I'm glad you got the article ok. Let me know what you think. And, if you have other questions, don't hesitate to ask. If I am not sure, I will ask my husband if he experienced it…or if it is in my notes (my notebook has pictures and reports of CT scans, the echo cardiogram, etc. So interesting. We requested all medical records and any scans, etc to be put on CD discs.

Mike didn't need it, but ask you surgeon if he will write in the orders that if you need the machine that allows patients to push the button to give yourself small doses of pain meds, you want it pre-ordered so it will be available. I had it after my surgery, and for a day or two, slept holding the damn thing. It will only release the meds at designated times, but psychologically, if you push the button, you are getting meds. No chance of overdosing. HUGS

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-09-10 09:00:33 -0500 Report

Hi, Suzie! I know about the "push pill-"-hah— I had it when I had my colon resection 9 years ago, tis great stuff! ha—When I had my C-section, 45 yrs ago, I had to WAIT , WAIT—got all ancy, then they told me that I couldn't have it for awhile because I was nursing my baby! I also had a cough, always seemed to have had ond, sinus drainage—-so that didn't help! I told my surgeon last week if I had to do the c-section over with my present set of coping skills, I would have said,"Forget the kid, give me my drugs!" ha He said he liked my attitude, I told him that it had evolved over the years! So, I think that the surgeon I guess it sounds crude, but life can be crude too—Thanks so much for your info—I am going to go read it again. I was interested in the low grade temp as I am still running it , mostly in the eve when I get tired—even now that I am over that cold etc—I can now sort out the aches and pains and deal with them better. I did a lot (for me) yes and heart was pounding, low grade temp so think that I will back off today—BUT there was so much more that I wanted to accomplish!! I wish that my mind and my body would get it together!!!

I love your keeping track of your husband's records and info so that others may benefit from it as we all forge ahead into the unknown. Hugs, Pat R

imsuzie2 2009-09-11 03:59:59 -0500 Report

Oh, Pat, I think I forgot to mention my husband's procedure was what is called "hand assisted Lap"…they did the 3 lap incisions (small) where they inserted the camera and tools, I guess, then they made a 4th incision,a slit, where the surgeon inserted his hand to pull the kidney and tumor out. They say lap procedures are easier to heal from, and this might be something to look forward to.

He is having pain again tonite, he helped too much with the luggage when we left SD. I did it all when we arrived here in LA. Hugs

lfaamom 2009-09-06 20:47:16 -0500 Report

Hello Pat, I don't believe that anything is going to go bad on your surgery. All of us (your friends) are going to be praying for you to get better and we are going to be waiting to hear from you soon. We care and love you so you are not alone at any time.Then maybe all of us can have a foot in the freezer day in honor of Pat HaHa!!!! God Bless you Pat. Lina

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-09-06 09:16:13 -0500 Report

Thanks to ALL for your comments and support! Know that MY prayers are with ALL OF YOU, TOO! We must stick together, no matter what! My mom used to say,"The less loveable a child is, the more loving that they need!" And I think that holds true of ALL ages! So, Johnna, YES it is WONDERFUL when someone GETS our brand of Humor!! haha—As I was getting ready to leave the hospital in Wichita, my RN told a therapist that I was a Hoot!! I just laughed——it felt so good to know that some get my own brand of humor—-

I KNOW that I will get along well, as I have grown, emotionally, on this sight, I now see the OUTSIDE world in a kinder, more understanding light, and know that we are all alike in some manner and God does NOT make TRASH! We have to be "different" or the world would be boring, and I think that we can all agree, that it sure is NOT boring!

May the Good Lord continue to Bless all of YOU as you fight your own battles, I feel that I have coped the best I could with what I knew and could accept at that point in my life
So now, it is off to church, Labor Day, wearing our Work clothes and taking something that we have done. I will wear my gardening jeans (maybe they will take up a collection for me—-ha) pic of my CORKY (dog) that I rescued with 2 broken legs and neglected—-and an oil painting of a church. Then I pick up an elderly friend of mine (for 55 yrs) that can no longer drive, and off we go——headed south out of town to a small, Methodist church that we attended when living on the farm.

A great week-end to ALL and don't WORK too HARD! Even tho it is LABOR DAY!! Ha—hugs and love to all—Pat R

gma 2009-09-06 10:00:30 -0500 Report

Well Im glad you are on the rite track.Now you will feel much better when this is all done.Besides you are to onrey to be down long.lol

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-09-06 14:02:27 -0500 Report

Oh I LOVE you for thinking that I am onery!!! haha—-Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy!! haha—-Some might find my humor a bit, over the top—or abrasive, which I REALLY do NOT mean to ever OFFEND anyone!! But sometimes it does happen, that is just life!

A support group of us "onery folks" haha—the Devil should run and HIDE! For we will gather together and Laugh him DOWN!!!!!

Even if it doesn't go as well as I think it will, I will never forget how WONDERFUL the folks on this site have been at such a time in my life when YOU WERE ALL SO DESPARATELY NEEDED! Sorry if I have proven a burden to some—but again, that is life, we are not all alike, but it sure is FUN to find others as onery as I ! haha—-Now I KNOW that I am not ALONE!!!! Love and Hugs to all!! Patricia Ann (ha—thought that I would throw you guys a curve—-keep you on your toes, you know!! ) PR

flores 2009-09-06 19:37:43 -0500 Report

Hello Pat,just how old are you,and you sure can get very onery at times,can''t wait to get to your age and be as "onery" as you.How is your health doing and have you stuck ;your feet in the freezer any more.I havenn't had a chance to write to you or onyone because my wife has been in and out of hospitals since july. She is doing much better now but still has pain on her legs and drs. can't seem to know what to do for it.I am still having swelling on my legs also and the drs. can't figure what is causing it to happen either.But reading up on all my friends theories and jokes just cheers us up a lot.be good and be kind and I will talk to you later. God Bless ;you and hope you get a whole lot betterflores.

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-09-06 20:27:04 -0500 Report

Hi, flores! Well, be careful in getting "onery", sometimes it can get one into HOT WATER! haha—I am 77 yrs and feel like, "I have been there, done that" mostly just because I hate to feel that I have lived my life for nothing, taking it too seriously—NEVER have MEANT TO HURT anyone's feelings—just have grown to develop a crude sense of humor, I guess, in order to protect myself.

No, that was my GRANDMOTHER, 60 years ago that stuck her legs into the empty frig, partly to relieve those fiery red legs, but didn't have the money for food anyway—just a bit of irony, I guess, that I have developed in order to get through life, maybe lift and help others—-I am not brilliant, do NOT know all of the answers, of course, but I do KNOW that laughing at SOMETHING in a sad and serious equation, sure does help—even if it might sound inappropriate at the time.

I do FEEL for those poor, painful legs, I have had experience with severe varicosities that felt as tho they would explode——-they were the deep system and nothing that they could do for them. But in later years, IF I stay off of cement floors for hours or so—it does help. When they are already hurting, and for whatever reason—it is like trying to play catch up with pain med—takes forever—-if then.

My only suggestion for those legs are ted hose or ace wraps, elevate them higher than your head, wrap in COOL clothes (no fridge needed—-)put a fan on them, maybe that will help relieve the symptoms, but not the underlying cause which only a Dr can probably tell you about.

I am just here to try and help folks to NOT feel all alone, to be THANKFUL that they are NOT like ME!! Make them feel better about being themselves!!! I had desperatley needed a cause in life, my nursing instincts, I guess—-and when I found this site, it was like I had found my calling for this stage of my life, when physically, I could do so little— I can only hope that I have helped someone. Hugs and Love to ALL! Pat R

Jipwhip 2009-09-05 22:23:03 -0500 Report

Hi Pat nice to hear you howling again. Good luck with your surgery. Glad to hear you are feeling better. Come back and howl some more with me. Ha Ha, Johnna

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-09-05 22:27:08 -0500 Report

Oh, Johnna!! Thanks so MUCH for appreciating my Howling! haha—It is so wonderful to have my 'naughty side" appreciated!! I can now relax as I know that some others "get it"! ha—Hugs, PR

Jipwhip 2009-09-05 22:32:46 -0500 Report

Who else can I howl with? Not too many get my sense of humor like you do Pat. Thanks for the laugh and smile on my face. Big hugs to you. Johnna

2009-09-05 21:09:19 -0500 Report

Best of luck with your surgery. When you are up to it, let us know how things went and how you are doing.

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-09-05 21:42:41 -0500 Report

Thank you, Mary! You guys will never know how secure I felt just knowing that you all were in similar boats, and were supportive to all of us as problems arise!! hugs, Pat r

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