New Experience, Night Time Low

Gabby
By GabbyPA Latest Reply 2016-06-12 13:01:06 -0500
Started 2016-06-09 14:01:35 -0500

You all know that I am finally finding my stride in the LCHF way of living and it has been good. I kind of fell off the wagon with the death of my husband…gained a few pounds, ate some junk and have not been in the weight side of the gym since he's gone. (that is what we used to do together…can't quite face it yet)

Anyway, I have been getting myself together and have had some great days hoovering around 100 all day. Aces in my book, love it! Yesterday was kind of weird as I started in the 70's and couldn't get it over 100 all day. Not bad really, felt fine…until this morning around 3:30 am. I just felt weird. Out of sorts and started that shake I get when I start to drop.

Testing revealed a 73, not really bad, but I didn't want to go back to bed with that feeling. So I had some meat and cheese, only about 4g of carbs, but it was enough to get me going back up again. Went to back to bed with a 101.

The weird thing is that it kind of shattered my confidence to do things today. I was worried about taking my walk with the pups. I felt uncomfortable emotionally. Maybe that has more to do with other events, but it made me feel dumpy.

I usually just kind of pick up and move on, but today was different. We talk a lot about the physical effects of lows on ourselves. But how does a low make you feel emotionally?


49 replies

Grandma17
Grandma17 2016-06-11 13:05:43 -0500 Report

Gabby it sounds like you are going through depression for the loss of your husband. I think the grief group will help you get control of things

msann
msann 2016-06-11 11:14:40 -0500 Report

glad you are getting back on track I didn't lose anyone but my son had brain tumor he was born with he was operated on jan 19 a lot was on brain stem just been 4 months but his left side and eyes coming back slow so it is a challenge for me low blood sugar make you feel out of sorts just keep praying as with anything we have good days bad days but over time will have more good days

Gabby
GabbyPA 2016-06-12 13:01:06 -0500 Report

That kind of emotion in going through those things can be just as hard. You are in constant worry...that's rough. More chronic. There can seem to be no end. I have a friend who it going though something like that with her daughter and I told her that I would have gone mad by now. She is an amazing person.

mcmbkk
mcmbkk 2016-06-10 22:14:04 -0500 Report

Wow, this is an amazing thread bringing up the most interesting points. This is such a great site for pure information. I've never had a real low but all of your posts will be remembered if I do.
Gabby, my thoughts are with you. Having lows in the middle of mourning and grief is one tough situation. You are so "take action! And Fix the Problem! And Be positive!". This grief it surely affecting your diabetes and probably will for some time. At Widownet, an outstanding site, we used to refer to it as the grief monster. You carry it around in your back for a long time until it starts to shrink. But it can jump back and blindside you just when you think it's gone. Actually, it's a lot like diabetes. Go slowly… Take care…being depressed and tearful is perfectly natural for some time. Don't fight it. Just roll with it and do whatever feels right for your emotions as well as your illness. You don't ever really conquer either one do you? Peace and time and support and quiet and friends and family all help. Just give yourself time.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2016-06-11 09:48:02 -0500 Report

I went to Widownet, but it was not very user friendly. I couldn't make it work for me, but I am going to grief classes in a couple of weeks. It's a 5 week course and that is where my mom met some of her best life long friends after my dad died. So I am very curious to see how that goes.

That low day was nothing compared to yesterday...what a crappy day for me. Everything upset me, no matter what it was. Just one for the record books. Today is going much better.

micsha
micsha 2016-06-10 16:01:49 -0500 Report

I'm so sorry about your loss. I don't know what I'd do without my guy since I'm unable to drive because of a problem walking due to my sarcoma. I've only been diabetic since then.

I have never gotten to a low point in my testing. My lowest has been 110 just last night, but I'm generally over 200 in the morning and that bums me out and i'm getting so depressed over it. I've been close to 300 some mornings! Monday was my yearly A1c and it was 9.8! I just sat and cried for a couple minutes because I just don't know what to dy. My doc added glimiperide along with my metformin but so far, there's no difference but it's only been a week. I'm thinking about taking one of the meds at night and the other in the morning. He didn't tell me when to take them, just to take them once daily. I was supposed to take metformin b.i.d. but got some uncomfortable side affects (he knows), so I can only take the one; thus the glimiperide.

I certainly don't want to go on insulin and this is upsetting me. My last hospitalization I was on both metformin AND insulin and my numbers were still odd. I've cut out pizza, potatoes, and pasta from my diet, eat a lot of rabbit food, and am so frustrated because I love the 3 p's.

On top of my problems, my husband just celebrated 10 years aortic valve replacement and triple bypass today. He's on warfarin and he gets gout at times. I joke that he can eat what I can't and I can eat what he can't …in other words, I usually have to make 2 different meals, but it's getting expensive. We're on SS and after insurances, we live on $900 a month. Thank heavens for a produce store down the road. Veggies are really cheap.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2016-06-11 09:52:41 -0500 Report

I used to have numbers like that for years I tried all kinds of things with and without my doctor. I finally started eating very low carb and high fat. That has been my ticket. I was on all of those meds plus insulin and my A1c was still too high. I think I was 9.4 or so....but now I have a 6.3 and am shooting for lower. (however, not by going low! LOL) I just want days when I am around 100 all day. That will really make me happy.

So I get all of my carbs from veggies and very little fruit. The rest is moderate protein and lots of healthy fats like avocados, coconut oil, butter, heavy cream and the like....I love it. It's has worked well for me.

micsha
micsha 2016-06-11 16:01:49 -0500 Report

I've been watching my carbs. I don't go over 45 for snacks (when I have any) and now eat off a salad plate instead of the large dinner plates. i read all the labels before deciding to eat anything. It's hard but I'm trying to give up bread, too, even though I don't eat it that often and the label states there are 32 carbs in one slice; meaning I eat an "open face sandwich" except for grilled cheese, but not often. :)

I used to eat bananas because of leg cramps (worked) and because my potassium used to be low, but no more. I love strawberries and blueberries, too, but gave them up. :( Never did eat cake or pies except on special occasions and now don't eat them at all. Only drank soda as a teen.

Type 1 was in my one aunt (she died of complications as did 3 of her kids) but she was the only one in mom's family and because of that, I did watch what I ate most of my life.

We are eating more chicken (hubby hates chicken) and fish but right now we can't have fish because of his gout. I weigh and measure everything so I don't go over the recommended amounts, but still no go. I've tried avocados at least 5 times in the past and just don't like them, but use butter and cannola or olive oil.

We have a friend, age 72, that's very overweight, eats CMP cakes which is made with chocolate, marshmallow, and don't know what else but it's the sweetest cake I've ever tried long ago (yuk!), doughnuts (1/2 dozen at a time), anything sweet, gallons of soda yet he doesn't have diabetes. It's unbelievable.

As usual, last night's number was 131. That's 2 nights in a row. I had forgotten to take it in the morning because I had to pick up an Rx for my Vitamin D and just forgot. I just don't understand why I can't get my morning numbers under control. Is it because I don't eat in 8-10 hours? I just don't understand. Sometimes I think it's because the hospital gave me insulin AND metformin because before that, my numbers were averaging 140-160 a day.

i'm sorry for venting but I'm just so frustrated. I am so glad that you were able to get your numbers under control. I hope you have continued success with them.

karenality
karenality 2016-06-10 05:58:52 -0500 Report

Gabby, first of all, I would like to express my deepest heartfelt condolences for the loss of your dearest hubby. That alone is painful and hard to deal with. Secondly to battle and manage diabetes and the neverending diet…WOW! I must give you a hi five cuz I know I wouldn't have been able to do that. I experienced the loss of a husband and the divorce of my second. I did not have diabetes until I was much into the stressful abusive marriage with my second husband. My first husband adored me! But after he passed, along came junk food cravings, difficulty managing finances (he was my support) and complete loss of interest in everything. My friends had to help me with that. Singles volleyball at our local church and midnight bike rides! I got up to 50 mi. One way!!! Wow! From what I had learned having depression, anxiety and mood swings (so bad, me and anyone else in the room can come up with whiplash! HA!) and trying to manage your blood sugar numbers…your mental health can affect your blood sugars and managing your blood sugars can affect your mental health. It's a vicious cycle from which there's no escape. Try some yoga to relax, meditate, try self hypnosis or take a relaxing bubble bath. Drink green smoothies! Here's a site that may help you understand this better! Good luck! http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/connection-be...

Gabby
GabbyPA 2016-06-10 08:52:41 -0500 Report

Thanks so much. Yes, it is all a new learning experience for me. I am going to be starting a grief class in a couple of weeks. I have great friends who have helped me so very much. Started doing some things and I need to find my balance....it will take time. I am trying to remind myself of that. I tend to get very overwhelmed now. That paralyzes me and I get stuck.

I have done some unconventional things and it has been a fun process of discovery of myself and new things...all good in the long run.

Skypaint
Skypaint 2016-06-09 22:13:51 -0500 Report

Seems my sugars went out of whack since my husband passed last year. Likely for similar reasons.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2016-06-10 09:06:45 -0500 Report

Yes, I have run the gambit since March for sure. Thankfully I have not seen the crappy scary highs I used to. I have actually had some really good days glucose wise. I am just thankful that I found LCHF way of eating before he died, if it happened when I was not successful yet, I would be in way more trouble.

lacat87
lacat87 2016-06-09 21:13:02 -0500 Report

Hi Gabby. Just read about your recent experience with your low bg. I was told from very beginning to eat sugary snacks or drinks like o.just. or soda. You said you had a piece of meat & cheese. And your sugar was corrected. Have the rules changed to treat a low? My problem is getting my sugar too high after treating a low. I have trouble stopping eating! Also I was told to have some protein after treating a low but how much protein? I changed endos so I forgot to ask him about that. One member game me a link to look up to figure out how many carbs but I lost it. I was looking for a number!

Gabby
GabbyPA 2016-06-10 08:57:17 -0500 Report

Well, since my body burns fat instead of glucose, I have found I don't have to pump myself with a lot of carbs. The few I had fixed my drop. The last one I had was a 42 and I fixed that with some greek yogurt sweetened with truvia....so while I still recommend taking that carb load if you are not at home or alone, when I am with family, I will try to be more conservative.

Usually it's 15g of carb and wait 15 minutes to test. Repeat until you begin to see a rise. Now that I am consuming so few carbs, less carbs tend to get me rolling.

Protein will eventually turn into glucose as well, so to stop the rise, eat something fat. I have Fbombs that are perfect for that. They are made of coconut cream, coconut oil and some form of flavoring that varies. They help me stop the rummaging through the house for something.

lacat87
lacat87 2016-06-10 09:17:26 -0500 Report

What in the world are Fbombs!? Never heard of that. And can I get them at a grocery store?

lacat87
lacat87 2016-06-10 09:21:01 -0500 Report

I know about & do the 15 carbs & wait 15 minutes & check blood sugar again. Yesterday it got down to 37! I think that's my all time lowest number. I don't think I have ever sweated that much before!

Pegsy
Pegsy 2016-06-09 17:58:00 -0500 Report

Hang in there Gabby. You're going through a lot right now. I have no doubt that our ever changing emotions have an impact on our glucose numbers. I've only had one low and it was due to a stupid mistake on my part. I rarely fall below 100 and never below 90 except for that one time. Just be kind to yourself. And be as diligent toward your glucose control as you can be without stressing out. Your life will eventually calm down and hopefully then, the glucose won't be on such a roller coaster.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2016-06-10 09:09:34 -0500 Report

I don't think the roller coaster ride will ever end with this disease. LOL. I just hold my hands in the air and scream. LOL

MoeGig
MoeGig 2016-06-09 16:47:21 -0500 Report

I just tested before bed at 75. Can't go to bed with that. My solution is a small bowl of cereal…5 gms of carb wouldn't come close to fixing it for me. 20 min later, I'm 140 and at a safe place. I use to try extra hard to aim low, but the risk reward is not worth it. 80 to 180…avg 150 A1c is < 7. Joslin considers anything below 7, excellent control.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2016-06-10 09:11:45 -0500 Report

My goal is to keep myself below 140 at all times. Better if I am under 100. I don't shoot for 70's but I can function fine when I am there, so I don't usually worry. I would not go to bed with one though like you. That is asking for trouble when I am asleep and I want to avoid that at all costs.

I did try reducing my insulin last night, and so I woke up with a 164 this morning....that was a bummer.

Richard157
Richard157 2016-06-09 15:25:49 -0500 Report

When I was diagnosed in the 1940s I had lows many times, including nights. Some f the lows caused seizures, and it was very difficult for my parents to bring me out of them. That continued to some extent when I was an adult, when I was an adult. Then in the 1980s I bought my first glucose meter. that finally enabled me to know my actually blood sugar numbers. Lows continued, but seizures stopped. In 2007 I started using an insulin pump, and with programming lows became much more manageable. Finally, a CGM enabled me to see my numbers any time I wanted, with few finger sticks needed. Lows are rarely a problem now.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2016-06-09 15:37:52 -0500 Report

I do not get them often, but I have had more of them since getting my carbs under tighter restriction. For me, it means adjustment in my insulin, and I am okay with that. Less insulin is my goal...actually no insulin is my ultimate goal.

Type1Lou
Type1Lou 2016-06-09 15:16:36 -0500 Report

So sorry you're going through this Gabby. I've had so many lows that I don't think they affect me emotionally any more. For my last blood test in early May, I tested just before leaving the house and it was 54. I suspended my insulin pump, got someone to drive me to the lab rather than driving myself and was fine afterwards but my PCP absolutely freaked since the bloodwork showed a BG of 42. While I don't get them terribly often, they do happen. I usually just take a fast-acting carb to get them back up and hope I can stop myself from eating the house because I want to eat everything in sight when going hypo. Really scary lows (below 50 for me) will leave me drained and exhausted and sleepy.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2016-06-09 15:23:02 -0500 Report

Yeah, my 42 kicked my butt. I try to be very careful to not carb load, but you are right, when I go low I want to eat the house. I am finding that just letting my body know that there is food out there...it will come back usually. I think that is a result of LCHF diet though.

Luis65
Luis65 2016-06-09 15:13:02 -0500 Report

I've written about lows that I've had. There is a definite mood change. If I can get my BG up without going overboard I usually bounce back to feeling normal. In the past I have eaten too much carbs to the point where I was in orbit sugar wise. Then I felt worse then with the hypo.

That's why I carry a pack of food, glucose and meter wherever I go and remember your 15/15 rule. I suggest all of us do the same even if we have never experienced a hypo - if you feel odd test.

It's funny 3 to 3:30 AM is when I had a run of hypos before I adjusted the Lantus to my current dose.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2016-06-09 15:23:50 -0500 Report

Usually at 3:00 am, my body is dumping me into dawn phenomenon range...so that was odd for me to be dropping.

wvmtngrl
wvmtngrl 2016-06-09 15:09:34 -0500 Report

I had lows while on Actos. I would wake up the house with screaming out loud nightmares. It was horrible. I've been off that medicine for awhile but it still happens every now and then. It makes me so frustrated with its unpredictability.

MrsCDogg
MrsCDogg 2016-06-09 14:53:39 -0500 Report

This took place around 2010. I was asleep and dreaming vividly. I kept dreaming that something was wrong with my blood sugar and I needed to wake up and check it. Finally when I did wake up and check it it was 43! Earlier that year I had a low of 38. It can make you feel just really lousy when you have a really low low. I can have all kinds of emotional reactions when I have a low. Everything from being weepy, to being a complete b-word. Hang in there!

Gabby
GabbyPA 2016-06-09 15:25:51 -0500 Report

Weepy was the word for today. Stupid stuff just made me cry....and I do realize that some of that is my grief. But it was just very touchy today. Off to book club tonight and I hope a good time to wash that away.

sweetslover
sweetslover 2016-06-09 14:36:45 -0500 Report

While I was on metformin, fasting numbers were isually in the 70's and I felt fine. I never had to really worry about low numbers. I had to go on glipizide because of my kidneys, and now, no matter what or how much I eat for breakfast, I am getting numbers in the 49's and 50's. Not only is that scary, I feel awful. Going back to primary on Monday. Hope he can make some adjustments. Woke up this morning from an unplanned nap with my 85 pound dog clawing my face. BG was 43.

Luis65
Luis65 2016-06-09 15:07:33 -0500 Report

Good doggie, can he/she go on bike rides with me? There are dogs trained to alert on lows. It looks like your dog is a natural and wants to keep you around.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2016-06-09 15:27:43 -0500 Report

Very good doggie, indeed! I have only be to 42 that was enough for me. Not liking that. 73 doesn't usually alarm me, but it did just because of the time of day that it was. I get that shaky feeling when I am actively dropping....so I knew I was on my way down.

onafixedincome
onafixedincome 2016-06-09 14:18:40 -0500 Report

Lows are scary. Not quite sure why, but it's often mentioned as 'frightened' or 'dread' feeling…and it is! It's definitely a potent conditioning component in Don't Do That Again, Please…

When I accidentally got my longacting insulin IV, I was messed up for a week, emotionally speaking. Not so much for me, but for others who might do the same and not realize that long acting insulin would give them a prolonged and persistent severe low.

Great question, Gabby!

Gabby
GabbyPA 2016-06-09 14:35:21 -0500 Report

Yes, fear is a definite emotion tied to a low, specially if it is very low or if I am alone. That is when I get most afraid. That is what kept me from going to bed with it that way. If I was awake in my day, I would have kept an eye on it, but I would not have treated. But fear made me treat....I didn't want to sleep through a low.

onafixedincome
onafixedincome 2016-06-09 17:29:23 -0500 Report

Frankly…good call. When I mainlined that Levemir, I wanted so badly to sleep, and I knew I absolutely should not. Bless the friend I had the half-wits to call, she kept me alert until I was comfortable with where I was!

I'd far rather be a bit high than under 80 before bed.

trsquare
trsquare 2016-06-09 14:16:58 -0500 Report

It's not good for me emotionally to be at a low. I get very depressed, and withdraw into my shell.

Hugest hugs! I hope you find your new normal soon.

onafixedincome
onafixedincome 2016-06-09 17:33:46 -0500 Report

I know that significant negative-event anniversaries can sneak up on me and leave me flat down depressed to where almost anything can trigger either rage or tears or both. Having a low at that point SUCKS; definitely makes it worse.

Just gotta keep trudging on through it until things get better, is all…

Gabby
GabbyPA 2016-06-09 14:36:58 -0500 Report

Today was the first day I had some emotions tied to it. When you get depressed, does it last until you get out of your low or does it last long after? I know I have felt the need to sleep after one I had that was in the low 40's. But after my nap, I was okay.

trsquare
trsquare 2016-06-09 14:47:38 -0500 Report

It all depends upon what else is going on in my life. All of April and May seemed to be really down months, so I couldn't distinguish what was actual depression or what was just a sugar low. Usually, I can bounce back in a couple of hours.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2016-06-09 15:28:44 -0500 Report

I am sorry you are going through those feelings. Being down is a hard place to get out of sometimes.

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