Do you find some medical personel seem like they are lying to us at times?

By Sarguillo Latest Reply 2009-09-06 14:13:08 -0500
Started 2009-08-03 16:48:02 -0500

Had a dentist appointment this past weekend and since I had to have a filling done, they took my blood pressure. It was at 193/93. Now I have always been borderline high BP but with the meds I am on, it had dropped down to normal 130/80 as an average. I see this BP and started to freak out. It was high in my estimation. The Dental asistant starts to tell me that its normal and not high. I might assume that because I am at the dentist that it might be higher than normal, but not that high.
Now my question, Have some of you noticed that some medical personel seem to lie to us at times. And since we are learning more about our conditions, we are starting to catch on that they are lying? Or is it just me?

44 replies

DawnFL 2009-09-06 12:24:40 -0500 Report

Yes, when I thought my bs was high after a health fair screening and then 3 subsequent at the local clinic in Publix, my doctor's office blew me off telling me it can be handled by diet and exercise period. Not even a suggestion to come in because I have no insurance right now so am not worth much I guess. I finally managed to get money to go in and even then was pretty much blown off. This doctor was awesome for the last five years…when I had insurance that is. Well, he wrote my new scripts which I needed for bp and depression and then did an A1C. I am waiting for a hearing for SSA disability so that may be part of the attitude. He does not want to be botheed with the red tape I don't think. Anyway, 3 days later I received a script for Metformin in the mail and my results of 7.4 on the A1C. A note about diet and exercise nothing about bs testing. Reading here on this site it seems that testing is a necessity. The Metformin kicked in fast and now I experience what I am guessing to be the highs and lows of BS count. Next week I will call my public health dept to see if there are classes because I have no idea how to even use a meter or fill it etc John has a post about on here and the prices for strips are good compared to even Walmart. I am thinking of the Breeze meter because my fingers already hurt so much due to other issues.

So, yes, I think they lie rather than get involved these days. Has anyone else noticed too how you seem to have to go in knowing what is wrong with you?

I don't think they like it that we question them unlike our parents generation who thought them as Gods. These days we have to take control of our health even more than ever. My pushing for the A1C just proved that. Prior to this he told me my exhaustion was due to my anti-depressants. I could sleep 24/7 and only get up to go to the bathroom. A week after Metformin I have more energy than for the past couple of years. I had bloodwork done a little over a year ago but nothing was said of my bs. It is nice to feel almost human again other than the highs and lows of bs. Thanks to you and all here who are teaching me how to live with diabetes.

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-09-06 14:13:08 -0500 Report

Amen, God Bless YOU, Dawn!! you sound so similar to my feelings —Here I thought that I was all alone, the only person who could NOT communicate with Drs etc, unfortunatley, I see that I am not, but also am becoming aware of the Drs and nurses' side too, I should, as I was a nurse aide and ward clerk in a hospital and rest home for over 30 years! But when it is YOUR body in distress, until you can get some answers to alleviate your own ailements, it is really hard to SEE their side!!

Isn't it WONDERFUl to have that feeling that kind folks are listening, "get it" and CARE??!! Can't be beat, in my books!!

Best of Luck to you as you continue your own journey, with the rest of us SUPPORTING you , each in our own styles!! Hugs, Pat R

Harlen 2009-09-02 14:16:52 -0500 Report

Feals that way
But I think it may be that they just dont know whats going on
Hard to tell
They dont like it if you call them on it
good luck

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-08-08 13:53:37 -0500 Report

I have been so TORN!! In wanting to believe my Drs., trust them, BUT you must take care of yourself first! They know that we all have access to more knoweledge than folks used to , pioneers had to accept the Dr's words as they were not informed. ( for the most part—-)The hospitals struggle so to keep afloat, the govt keeps interferring, cutting refunds—I have watched Drs agonize over wanting to admit a pt., only to be drug back down because of the admission criteria was too stiff, admission BP's were so high before they qualified for insurance to pay for their care—, they were already in the STROKE ZONE!! Some Drs don't even accept Medicare pts as they don't get the funds that other insurances can pay. That may be why I won't know if I can make an appt with this gynechologist next week, or not! They don't know or care much, that it has taken me several years to even get up the nerve to inquire—MY PROBLEM, I GUESS!!

Whey my daughter was a single mom (divorced) he asked her if she had ins., she did NOT, so he charged her less and let her make payments. It is so TRICKY that they have to consider payments, the ability to charge enough to help float the hospitals, some requests of physicians ( I know—) from administration to help meet their financial needs, causes some Drs to leave, due to the guilt stirred up that goes against their ethics—they just CAN'T Lie or Conform to these demands!!

Yet, in my case, and others, when one is IGNORED or DISBELIEVED because of nervous ailements etc, shoved away , even when you have a sincere concern—sometimes I just needed reassurrance—- When I was really DOWN, thought that ALL men, incluuding Drs were AGAINST ME, my mom's Dr started to come into the room, saw me and whirled around and started to LEAVE, then turned back around and tried to deal with me—well, you can imagine how THAT WENT!! I had SHARED that I was suicidal, so EXHAUSTED that I felt like I was going over the edge, and wondered if he couldn't help me!

He snapped that I needed to see psychiatrist, there was one that came to town once a mo. "Go see HER!" Did NOT even go through customary channels, the paperwork, (as a ward clerk, I KNEW the professional procedure—) just tossed me out on my ear, so to speak! Well, yes, I WENT MOSTLY to the psych, but was almopst not accepted as I did NOT have a rerefferal from my local Dr—because DRS were treating me like crap and I didn't know why!! ETC—
Glad to say, thatI finally SEE why the whole ball of hurt got started and why I felt helpless to change it—

I learned in therapy, that there are SOME DRs like that , not all—a fact I argued with her for several years—-haha—-anyway, it is SUCH A RELIEF to KNOW that I too, am NOT ALONE!! Best Wishes and Love to ALL OF YOU!! Pat R

susa_np 2009-08-08 02:22:57 -0500 Report

NO!!! that is so ture they dont pay attention to you . I dont have insurance, so i go to a Dr. that allow a .percentige of my income. I feell out papers to get my insuliint free.. they always mess up ,the last time they called me to talk call ttosee way they had not sent my insulent and they told me the DR, lincens had exspireed. so i got right on it as ,it make me sick to go with out it so now i take the paperwork into the app to get it done right. and the DR fix his problem at my request.

Darly 2009-08-08 09:08:36 -0500 Report

Wow…I really do not understand Doctor's these days. I had a family Doc. years ago w/my 4 boy's who made house calls for my youngest who was just born at the time and it was Feb,1984 (not a baby no more)lol. He didn't want me dragging all the kids out in the cold weather! I can really feel for all of you who have been treated like trash by their Doctor's as I have been through this a lot,last time was last Monday! Good luck to all of us.

Vicrgreen 2009-09-02 01:53:42 -0500 Report

Our doctor here in Delta used to make housecalls on occasion. My husband missed 3 appointments and Doc called him on the phone and told him that he needed to make another and keep it and that if he failed to show he, Doc, would be out to the house that evening to see what was going on. My husband made it to his next and all future appointments.

Doc came to the house to take care of my mother once, too. I don't think he does that any more but it wasn't all that long ago that he did.

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-08-07 19:42:58 -0500 Report

I am not sure if my question fits in here, but, as I try to get back on track, with a new medical Dr. I called the city and asked to make an appt with a Gynecologist for a PaP smear etc, as it has been years since I have been checked on—too busy and tired with caring for my 98 yr old mom. since she is gone and i feel stronger, I decided to start trying to take better care of myself.

The receptionist's reply??? We will consider your request and get back with you to make an appt in a few days!"

Well, folks, this is a NEW one to ME!!! I am rather interested to see how THIS pans out, and just when I was beginning to trust the medical profession again. Are we already giving little old ladies a DEATH PILL?? I told them that a friend of mine that lives here, had recommended him to me. Will see——once more——PR

Vicrgreen 2009-09-02 01:55:23 -0500 Report

Check out my "discussion" on the Other link. I talk about Living Wills and DNR orders and the negative consequences of having them in your files. So far it has almost cost my mother her life on 2 separate occasions.

Darly 2009-08-07 14:33:15 -0500 Report

Look at what my Dr. did to me. I had cholesterol level of 315,my pulse was 121 (set off the alarm) first time ever, had blood tests that showed I was pre diabetic, my glucose test there was 166 (fasting mind you) and she said my sugar levels were fine as my A1C was only 5.7 (6.0 is what diabetic association goes by) I only stated that I know they do not go by the A1C levels alone,she started to yell at me, telling me i was fine and did not need medication, I calmly stated that I did not ask for medications, she then closed her laptop and got up to leave saying this conversation is going nowhere!! she then proceeded to leave,I got up and told her very nicely that she will be reported for what she did…I am now at the point where I can just wonder if I am diabetic or not,have no meds. for high cholesterol,left me with a bad UTI or kidney infection…sorry, just got me So my answer is some Doctors just do not care and do not like it if you know something.

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-08-07 19:37:48 -0500 Report

Yow, sounds like my run in with a dermatologist when I was SUFFERING with NETTLES!! He said that he didn't believe me, and further more he didn't ever want to see me again!! I left bawling, BUT maturely (?) told him as I stormed out of his office, "God needs to Bless YOU!" Then I did report him and he was right, I NEVER WENT BACK!! hahah—-I don't eat STUPID for breakfast like some must!! HA__PR

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-08-06 18:29:15 -0500 Report

Cara, so sorry that I seemed to syphone off of your own answer, and was personally answered, BUT I NEED SUPPORT TOO! Which in reality, has something to do with everyone on this site.

Humans are so complex, it is impossible to separate the emotions from the physical part of diabetis, it all has its place—inter-weaving—-Keep on replying as how else are we going to know if we are meeting YOUR needs too?!

I admit I have been NoiSY on this site, but I was so desparate, will you forgive me? If it hadn't been for ALL of YOU, I would still be a lost soul, struggling to find my way, when ALL of you with your own unique personalities and experiences, help me to find my own niche—-something and someone to compare to.

For years I COULD NOT CONFIDE—and now, sorry, but I am like a rushing waterfall, hurrying along, trying to help others with my own experiences, in hopes that it MIGHT help them to, to avoid some of my own mistakes! I guess that is one reason that I am so GABBY—-I have a LOT of "yuck" to dispell!

I am very sorry about your back as I have heard that that problem is so difficult to cure, both my older son and youngest daughter have had back surgeries, the daughter's about did more harm than good, I DIDN'T KNOW MUCH!! She was 16 yrs at the time, and even tho I THOUGHT that I was doing her a favor by correcting her back, years later she jumped me that I had a quack Dr. etc,etc—-He was the best, according to our local Dr—- Still don't know much about a lot of things! But I am learning!

Best of Luck to you, and KNOW that you are NOT ALONE EITHER!! All of our experinces are just different, seen through different eyes! PR

caragypsy 2009-08-05 18:17:57 -0500 Report

Th Dr that messed up my back lied to me about my back. After he did my surgery wrong he took out the staples to soon. It took 6 1/2 mo's for my back to heal in 2000 and it still hurts me a lot. Cara

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-08-05 18:50:42 -0500 Report

I have a theory, When anyone has a good reputation for KNOWING IT ALL, and REALLY SEEMS TO, One day,they discover that they don't, are embarrassed and just can NOT own up to it!! Maybe letting "mom and dad" who helped pay for their education, letting them down, and their bragging rights Have to be upheld at ALL costs! They slowly start thinking that "well, I was ALMOST right" or "I didn't know all of the facts, which probably DOES happen frequently!" I have often heard at the nurses station how a patient can vent or admit problems to the nurses, but when the poor Dr enters it is,"Oh, I just feel fine, Dr."

The better I feel in coming out of this rigid rut I created for my own protection, I can see so much that not too long ago, it just took too much energy to even think about it! Not all is so cut and dried, or black and white, we all want to look good in the eyes of others and sometimes have to "fudge a bit" to try and cover our butts. When all along, everyone is busy trying to do the same things, when NO ONE IS PERFECT, but who has the nerve to admit it first??!!

Well, I have!! God Bless us ALL!! PR

caragypsy 2009-08-06 17:10:22 -0500 Report

This is way I stopped putting in replies before,it is like I said nothing people just putting in replies about something that has not one thing in it about my reply. I feel very hurt and I guess I will go back to not putting in replies anymore.

cakeybakes 2009-08-05 00:29:30 -0500 Report

BP is ALWAYS higher for me if they use the machine or the small cuff. I insist that they use the large cuff and do it by hand. It never fails that it will be 121/72. The other day it was 183/95 when they used the machine. The only time I ever had a reading that high was when they told me that there was a problem with my pregnancy then proceeded to take my BP! Then they were concerned that it was high! What a bunch of morons!

I don't think a doctor has ever lied to me. I think I have been misinformed on more that one occasion. Mostly over that fact that they don't know the answer and would NEVER admit the lack of knowledge. I ask, ask, ask so many questions they get a little annoyed sometimes. Too bad, my body, my life, my health, I have to keep it on this side of the ground. Without the correct info how am I supposed to accomplish that?

Don't freak over one high reading. Who knows, dentists are creepier that regular doctors to me—I think I would probably have a higher reading, too.

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-08-05 10:53:24 -0500 Report

A dentist took your BP?? That is a new one for me! I do have to remember to tell them that I have 2 new knees, but have been lucky not to have had to go for awhile. I did have a BIG filling fall out AGAIN of a back tooth, there are no sharp points, doesn't hurt, so did not go to the dentist. I did that on another tooth and didn't have to have it pulled for 3 or 4 years, and got by OK, I have the money to go, just too tired to be bothered!

As for CORN, I read Harlen's report on his wife being a CCRN and guess what-! hah—-I thought at first that he wrote, CORN! Now is that wishful thinking or what??!! BEST TO ALL!! PR

Sarguillo 2009-08-05 15:07:59 -0500 Report

Yes, My dentist as part of my exam will have his assistants take BP especially since I am diabetic.

They used a small cuff machine at the left wrist.

I had never seen one of those before.

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-08-05 18:14:35 -0500 Report

Interesting, what part of the country do you live in? I find it interesting in how other parts of the country function. I did have my BP taken at the Dr yesterday and it was down to 120/70 ! YEah!! Am still on 3 meds for it, but maybe—-someday——BS are staying under 130—-shockeroo, has taken 3 years of TRYING to succeed to this degree!!! Yeah, again! PR
Best to ALL! PR

cakeybakes 2009-08-05 21:38:57 -0500 Report

They insisted on taking mine on the right wrist at the neurologist's of all places. They don't have a large cuff for the old-fashioned one, and the large cuff for the machine was not working. What kind of medical place is that?! (HUGE university hospital)

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-08-06 10:15:14 -0500 Report

Maybe they will NOW get one!! From the looks of folks walking down the street, including ME, there is a NEED for the bigger cuffs! They have had to use one on me for YEARS!!!
Once, after I had been hospitalized, being a ward clerk, I had access to my own chart, read it over, and the Dr. had written on my physical that I was OBESE!!! MAD____—at that time I weighed 165 # NOW I would LOVE to get back DOWN to that weight!! haha—All in the eyes of the beholder! Now, what was the question?? haha—Love PR

Inkaddiction 2009-08-04 18:19:22 -0500 Report

It is SO hard to find a Doctor/Dentist that will take good care of you and that you like, but DO try to find one that does both. My Primary Care Dr is awesome, it will return calls after work, weekends, he takes the time during appts to listen, my dentist is awesome and very involved in my diabetes care and in touch with my PC Dr
Dont give up, but maybe look around for someone you KNOW you can trust to work with you

SusanJ 2009-08-04 18:11:12 -0500 Report

I have had problems with doctors. I went to my doctors for a appt the one time. I had the PA that day. She was going over some other medicens. I said to her about my sugars being so high all the time. Her response to me was you do not need to worry about that. When I went in for a foloow up with the doctor I said something to him. I also told him what the PA said. He said yes we do need to worry about that. That was when I started with the diabetes. My sugars were going up to 220 at that time. I just had the PA again and got bad advise again. It seemed like she just brushed me off.

Vicrgreen 2009-09-02 01:36:16 -0500 Report

I have hypothyroidism on top of diabetes. Several years ago in another state I had a doctor I liked. I always went to him. One day I called for an appointment and the scheduler asked if I'd be willing to see Dr Roy. I didn't know who Dr Roy was but he was the only one with an opening any time soon so I said yes. I had just moved back there from Nevada so I needed a script for my thyroid medication. That was all I needed. He said, "Well I have to do a blood test before I can give you any medication" so I agreed to the blood test. He told me to come back the following week. I did. He told me that the tests showed I didn't need to be taking thyroid. So I quit. I gained about 75 pounds, my hair started to fall out, I was always thirsty; all symptoms of hypothyroidism. So I called back and asked for an appointment with the original doctor. I had to wait but I'd alreay waited so long that a little longer didn't matter. When I got in to see the original doctor I told him what had been happening. He said, "Let me make something perfectly clear to you. You will always need thyroid medication. I mean for the rest of your life you will have to take it. I don't care if you have to hock your socks to get it, do it." So he ordered the test redone, to help set the amount I should take, gave me a script for some to get started with and sent me home. As I was leaving he clinic I heard him yelling at Dr Roy (who it turns out was really a PA) "What the h**l are you trying to do, KILL MY PATIENTS." I was never able to lose the weight I had regained, but I felt a whole lot better knowing that the sanctimonious Dr Roy was getting his. He didn't last much longer there, I gather that he had made similar mistakes with other people. What he had done was failed to take into account that my test results were normal because I was taking the medication which caused them to be that way.

Any time I get involved with a new doctor or PA or NP I always remember Dr Roy. As a result I'm always extra careful about what they tell me and whether I think they are right until I get to know them and have experience with how well they treat their patients.

Just a thought.

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-09-05 21:53:43 -0500 Report

Woahoo—- I LOVe that story, Vic—-Dr Roy—hmmm— My own past week has held many surprises for the Drs in MY life, I thought so, but was not sure enough of myself to KNOW< but NOW I do! The question uppermost in the big city Drs' mind, is HOW could they NOT have listened to me in order to prevent this tumor from getting so big, and destroying my left kidney!!! I have ranted enough, but I KNOW that after they take the cranky thing out, I will be feeling GREAT!! And maybe then I can get some work done around here! My right kidney has been the only one working for some time, and I have not had any problems with it, but now know why so much constipation, fatigue—upset tummy——etc, so I HAVE to FEEL BETTER!! As I read your posts and 'catch up" I so welcome others to join in our "crusade" to learn to speak up for ourselves, as it is WE that pay in the end!! Pat R

cyncyn 2009-08-04 16:12:42 -0500 Report

Another thing to think about, is.. which arm did they cuff.? Your BP will read higher, if taken from your left arm!
So many drs.and medical personnel, will take it from your right arm, to get lower numbers. Hope this helps.


Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-08-04 16:17:28 -0500 Report

Hey Cyndi!! I read your post too quickly, must have been a bit irate as I thought that you wrote ,"which arm did they cut off?!" guess not—Thank Heavens!!! Oh, yow, my P Ox was only 89%, the nurse said, Oh NO! Then retook it and by that time I had laughed and talked a bit so it then read 92% which was acceptable to her and the higher number is the one she wrote on my chart! No wonder, when i complain of not getting enough air to walk etc, they check my chart and think that I AM LYING!! Nuts, again!!! PR

Judi62 2009-08-04 11:12:20 -0500 Report

I have discovered that sometimes you can outgrow your doctor. When you have a condition, you tend to learn all you can about it. Unlike your doctor, you are only concerned about yourself. About the here and now. Nothing from your past or anyone else's.

I say this because of a doctor I had had for many years. He was my first endocrinologist. Of course, he read my complete medical history. In my past I had some emotional problems when I was a teenager. So, to make a long story short… Whenever I had a phyical problem that he couldn't not come up with an answer to, he would refer to my past and say I had come a long way. As if I were making up the symptoms.

Example: I complained for several years that my hand was aching most every night. Tingling and throbbing in the middle of the night. He ran one test which turned out negative. I was told I hadn't been diabetic long enough for nerve damage. So of course his answer was 'You've come a long way since you were younger'.

Got a new doctor. Told her the same thing I'd been telling the other one for many years. She sent me for a Carpel Tunnel test. Sure enough! I was told by the technician that I should have had the surgery many years ago.

It's not that the doctor sometimes lies to you. You've just outgrown your doctor.

Good luck, Judi

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-08-04 16:12:52 -0500 Report

hahahaha—OH, JUDI!!! I would SWEAR that you were talking about ME and my own run ins with most Drs.!!! I just got back from my first appt with a healthcare prof for several years, outside of having my BS and BP taken—-been thinkn——-The female PA was FAST, seemed to know what she was doing—-but didn't SHARE MUCH!!! Maybe that is why I get so ticked—I want to KNOW MORE!! Not everyone has access to a computer, and besides, it isn't personal like your Dr should be!!

I have a history of emotional illness too, but what is ironic MOST of it was brought on by the very Drs who wouldn't BELIEVE ME!!!!!! Oh, the PAIN I have suffered over that one!!! But it so helps to hear of others who have had similar problems!! In our church, "Thou shalt NOT whine—-Count your many blessings—_Which is true AFTER you VENT the CRAP!!! They are so self serving—then I recall that their feet have NOT trod where mine have, so how could they "get it!" I finally decided that I would rather care about others, than to deny that there is any suffering or pain in the world, besides their own!!

Oh, I was told this afternoon that I had "crackles in the bottom of my left lung—AGAIN!!" I tried to tell the new PA some of my history, BUT she was in a hurry!

When I went to the pharmacist I asked her if that meant the beginning of pneumonia, stated that the PA was in such a hurry—-she nodded YES, they only have so much time to talk to their patients!! I told her that I KNEW that I had worked in a hospital for 30 years—-!!! I think that crackles in a lung mean pneumonia, but it isn't too bad yet, did get some Doxycycline 2X a day for 10 days. If that doesn't work, I will return, but just wish that they would take the time to blink their eyes while we set there, wondering——

Take care, ALL! We will help to look out for OURSELVES!! NUTS!!! PR

Little Dee
Little Dee 2009-08-04 08:26:19 -0500 Report

I used to work at a medical lab and the doctor there would go into the computer and change patient results. If the numbers were to high he would lower them, if they were to low he would higher them. It may not be the medical personnel lying, it may be the lab company they are using. Only you know how your body feels. You also may have white coat syndrome. Just a thought.

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-08-04 09:46:14 -0500 Report

Now, Little Dee, that is sorely interesting— I worked at a nurses' station as a ward clerk for 20 years so know some Drs that try to avoid questionable issues. We had one PA that told his PA's that took their 6 weeks training tour at our hospital, that you can always tell the patient that he has sinuitis, and that will satisfy them!! Then one time he admitted a Sinusitis patient to the CCU room the next day she died! That still haunts me, maybe she would have died anyway, it was just the falsehood that upset me to no end!!
I prefer to think that they mostly do as best as they can and hope the dangerous Drs—get weeded out at some point in their carrer before they do too much damamge! We had ONE that finally made too many mistakes, was reported, and finally had her license rescended. TOO BAD as it puts a bad reflection on all Drs, and I like to think that they are the exception, rather than the rule!

Yes, Blood Pressue is very fickle too, I have had mine taken 2 or 3 times in one visit to make sure it wasn't the "white coat syndrome!" Best of Luck ALL, I guess we need to take partial responsibility for our own bodies, be SMART, INFORMED and hope that you get your point or fears across!!! PR

Little Dee
Little Dee 2009-08-05 08:32:14 -0500 Report

Yes, I made me sick to see what he was doing. He has been reported to the Attorney General's office. I also felt i had to leave that job because of this. I loved my job and am very sad about all this.

kdroberts 2009-08-04 07:51:34 -0500 Report

I've never thought a medical professional has ever lied to me. Maybe be misinformed about certain things and say incorrect things but never intentionally lie.

The thing you have to remember about blood pressure measurements is they are generally pretty inaccurate, both the ones done by humans and the ones done by machines. It's always advised that you get your blood pressure taken by the same person every time. The reading is not a cut and dry thing, it relies on a lot of interpretation so by having the same person do it the interpretation is always the same. A nurse once told me that 9 times out of 10 a blood pressure machine will read higher than if a person took the reading. I know that's true for me. Also, white coat syndrome is very real and can really jack up your blood pressure so it's possible that you had some of that going on.

Avera 2009-08-03 23:53:02 -0500 Report

I'm not sure if they are lying or not, but I am sure that they OMIT things and many believe that to do this is a form of lying.

On a recent trip to my doctor, I mentioned to him the new device that we can buy to do our A1C tests at home. I was aking to see if it would be beneficial for me to purchase one.

He got all flustered and said way to quickly for my liking that this device had been around for a long time and that people with insurance such as myself went to have our blood work done away from his office but that people on Medicare had to have theirs done right at the doctor's office so he used that device on them. Then he changed the subject.

Well, what that told me is that Medicare will not pay what my insurance will for the test so he does it for the Medicare patients much cheaper than what I have to pay. What kind of inequality is this?

This may not be exactly on the subject of your question, but I wanted to bring it up because I feel that often Medical Personel do have information that could save us money but don't tell us. In my opinion, that is lying.

kdroberts 2009-08-04 08:03:28 -0500 Report

I think your doctor was kind of off on what he was saying. The device you can use at home has not been around for a while and it's not the same type they use in a doctors office, it's also more expensive than a lab or the in office test.

Medicare will pay for an A1c at a lab but has some restrictions about the number of tests you can get in a certain period of time. The difference with having one done in the office is that the doctor doesn't have to bill it the same way a lab does and they get paid for the service. The A1c is a very cheap test, it's less than $10 cash and my insurance has worked out a rate of just over $3 with the lab I go to. I pay nothing. I have had it done in the office and it is a little more expensive. It may also be a case of your insurance coverage not paying for tests not done at a lab. In which case you would pay full price if the doctor did it but your insurance rate if you went to a lab.

Pat Roth
Pat Roth 2009-08-03 22:43:15 -0500 Report

Brother!!! I have wondered the same thing—-With me, they seem to think that I am a worrywart! Am not, but I do get concerned when they make light of something that I think is something, and when they have to, it usually is, and then it is,"Why did you wait so long!!" Why indeed!! I think a lot of it is they don't want to start a conversation that they don't have time to discuss the issue. Our son is a PA and is allowed so many minutes for each patient! However, if a patient has a high blood pressure, he TAKES the time to explain to him what he should do and why, One of the reasons that he stayed only one year at a certain clinic in Oregon!! That clinic was not a very compassionate place, so he quit! He likes where he is now, in Idaho—but I think most Drs are so pushed, stressed, want the quickest way out of an appt. They belittle something that might become a bigger problem. If they could just assure us that a high BP might be an acute reaction to that particular event, but if it isn't consistantly high for longer periods of time, it isn't anything to be worried about at that time, but just to watch it, and if it starts going consistantly higher etc—-some calming and sensible words——-we could relax a bit, but just beware of it in the future. makes sense to me, and have often wished they could say just a few words of reassurrance and not make us feel STUPID and overly anxious! After all,we are the ones that have to live in these bodies, so a little caring would help!!! PR

Vicrgreen 2009-09-02 01:14:56 -0500 Report

He should come to Delta Junction, AK. We have a great clinic and everyone gets all the time they need from the providers. Of course, they tend to run late because they do take extra time with people. Those of us in the know generally figure unless it is the first appointment of the day it will be anywhere from 45 minutes to an hour late, maybe more. They are also the only ER in 100 miles in 2 directions and about 250 in another (those being the only directions one can go on the highway system), which also throws their schedule off when an emergency comes in.

The same doctor also owns the clinic at Tok, AK and he's always on the watch for good staff there as well, the PAs and NPs generally work on their own down there.

They do use a lot of PAs and NPs and are always on the lookout for good ones.

Just a thought.

GabbyPA 2009-08-03 20:16:29 -0500 Report

I don't know that they are lying, but I do think that they don't know what the numbers for diabetics are supposed to be. It may also just be laziness, which I tend to think. The accurate way to take your blood pressure is seated, feet flat on the floor, no talking and then you are supposed to take it a second time (heart association says 3 times!) Then average your numbers. So that all boils down to being lazy about doing it right. Mostly because we don't know and don't make them do it correctly. I would have asked her to do it again. I run low now, 117/76 on I would freak on those numbers too.

The other thing is that I really think they don't like it when we actually DO know what is going on. That ego thing is a pain in the butt. My doctor often asks me "why are you taking this or doing that?" And when I tell him my reasons, he just sits all quite usually.

mamaoak 2009-08-03 18:06:04 -0500 Report

some times i wonder about this my self there supposed to be the experts. you really have to know your stuff sems to me they like to pull the wool over us. got to stick up for you self or they will only do what you want secod oppinions are good as well. hugs

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