The sad reality of what is being told to some diabetics..

Jibber Jabber
By Jibber Jabber Latest Reply 2015-04-18 18:38:39 -0500
Started 2015-04-07 14:17:11 -0500

I was in the dentist office today and had my heart broken…Met a lovely woman..who has already lost all of her teeth to diabetes…Long story short she is taking several oral medications for her type 2 along with insulin..She told me she is regularly in the 3 and 4 hundreds as far as her blood sugar is concerned…but when she falls lower than 250 (which she considers her lows) she feels sick…She was eating a snickers bar in front of me and washing it down with coffee from the waiting room she put white sugar into right in front of me…I didn't say anything because it is not my place to correct her..BUT she told me her doctor told her blood sugar is fine as long as she feels okay..Her mother died of diabetes complications when she was 60..This woman looked to be in her early 50's…She did ask me how I keep my BG under such good control and I told her…Her response.."my doctor says I can eat whatever I want as long as I take my meds and walk a little everyday"…yes my heart broke…


30 replies

Mallacai
Mallacai 2015-04-09 07:24:53 -0500 Report

The moment my new doctor said " i hate to be the one to tell you this but you are a diabetic " and went on to tell me the dos and don't i looked past him out the window. He said Mr. Singh you don't have to get depressed over this. Thoughts of CKD and amputations and blindness was going through my head so i said to him i am already thinking what i had to do to which he said i am glad you are thinking proactive. As soon as i got back to my job i was on the net and my co workers were asking why i was only reading about diabetes on the net (my response was obvious ). My point is we all need to educate ourselves and i don't subscribe to M/s Jeanette belief that we should blame our doctors, it is our health and we owe it to ourselves to take responsibility for it. Some members of our staff have uncontrolled BG and i try my best to teach them the basics to no avail. One cannot abdicate one's responsibility to him self to another ( being repetitive for emphasis ). I have been learning about my condition from the day i was diagnosed and still continue to do so thanks to my doctor and DC and i have the blood results to prove the benefits of such.

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2015-04-09 08:24:49 -0500 Report

Yeah well…in a perfect world you are 100% correct…But this is by far a perfect world…we have been conditioned to believe that doctors are the "go to" people for all things health related…Funny thing is..if we bring our car to a mechanic and they tell us something is wrong..we question everything they are going to do and why..(at least everyone I know does)…but these same people assume doctors are just more intelligent about health issues and rely on them for their information…Truth be told the vast majority of doctors have been trained to take test..read results and cut scripts…THAT is it…

debcox
debcox 2015-04-08 20:14:39 -0500 Report

It amazes me how many people comment on my diet & exercise. They think that I am nuts to work so hard when I can just take insulin and eat what I want. I try to explain why I am doing this and that medicines can lose their effectiveness and then what do you do. They actually get upset that I won't conform. I'm sure it is because I am losing weight and doing great and the fact that I am doing something show that it can be done.

I am doing so well that I have volunteered to help out on field day at my grandsons school. I will be outside playing games with first & second graders, running around and generally having fun. I can't wait!!!

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2015-04-08 22:57:01 -0500 Report

I DO think part of it might be jealousy…they see you fighting the good fight and winning…BUT sad to say…I think part of it…a bigger part of it..is that they really do believe what they are saying…diabetics as a whole have been sold a "dirty deed"…to a bad existence…eat plenty of whole grains…indulge in occasional treats…and take your meds…and when what you are doing is no longer enough…no worries that is normal.."diabetes is a progressive disease"…it is not your fault..we will just give you more meds…

Jeanette Terry
Jeanette TerryPA 2015-04-08 15:53:36 -0500 Report

It really makes me sad to hear stories like this because she has no idea. Shame on her doctor for not doing more research and caring more about the patient. I hate that so many doctors don't know as much as they should about diabetes and what is even more sad is that they don't care to learn. That is what kills these poor diabetes patients.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2015-04-08 06:03:32 -0500 Report

That is so very sad...and who knows if that is what her doctor really said or if it's how she has rationalized her way through it all.

I know I have to use caution when I see something like that, because I know I have my moments when I am a "bad" diabetic and do stupid stuff (like eating a chocolate bunny on Easter) A moment of weakness is not fun to get judged on. But it is incredibly sad when someone can share they have those kinds of numbers and not worry about it or want to do something about it.

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2015-04-08 09:31:32 -0500 Report

THAT was the worst part…the fact that she was FINE with those numbers…I did all I could do…I told her how I keep my numbers down..and told her she "could"..bring what I do up to her doctor…I put the knowledge "out there"..but she is an adult and needs to decide for herself what she will do with it…She really was a lovely woman…but you could tell she was a little lacking in the reasoning and education departments..Maybe her doctor just gave up on her..She didn't strike me as the type that is going to go home and do an internet search on the information I gave her…and Gabby…I came so close to breaking the ears off my grandson's Easter Bunny and eating ..it is wasn't funny…Had nothing to do with actually wanting the chocolate..because I make lovely chocolate candies at home…It was all the happy childhood memories of my own Easter Bunnies…So much of what we eat is based on emotional things…but yeah..I was even making jokes about how eating the ears off the bunny would be a good thing for my grandson because "he didn't need all that sugar"…

Gabby
GabbyPA 2015-04-08 10:21:21 -0500 Report

I made up little baskets for the family and allowed myself the indigence of a Lindt dark chocolate Easter bunny. He was good head to toe.

Yeah, those numbers are even scary for me and I run high all the time. Now that I am seeing numbers in the 110's more often I find myself getting upset at the 150's....I'm adjusting my norm. It feels good.

Marjeta
Marjeta 2015-04-08 05:45:38 -0500 Report

Such a sad story. Sometimes it looks as if doctors had given up on some patients… A painful reality is the fact that some people just do not want to change, do not want to stop eating unhealthy food and drinking sodas and sweet coffee. The easiest thing ever is to not change your diet and behaviour and just keep on taking pills and increasing amounts of insulin. In my opinion this is the worst of all choices.

Diabetes requires tons of attention and time and…personal growth and change. Getting out of the comfort zone, straight into the painful process of transformation. At the end it is always sink or swim and it is always a personal choice which definitely can have the best of all outcomes.

Lakeland
Lakeland 2015-04-07 17:39:13 -0500 Report

I wonder if doctors give up and feel like they are talking to a brick wall with some patients. My dad was a little cocky with his diabetes, the nurses called him Dr. Harry because he told them how it was going to be. For me, diabetes isn't too hard to control numbers, but this bronchitis I have the steroids are really putting me in the 300's and the doctor just said to double my metformin and depending on how old she is, the rules have changed since 20 years ago, she could be frustrated. it is sad

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2015-04-08 09:35:56 -0500 Report

Very possible…but also very unprofessional..Even if you know your patient is going to ignore you..you still tell them what they need to hear…You never know…people have been non compliant for years..then turned it around..and started doing what they were suppose to…just makes me sad.

sweetslover
sweetslover 2015-04-07 16:36:02 -0500 Report

I think sometimes people just say that the doctor is OK with what is going on so that they can do as they wish without people questioning them.

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2015-04-08 00:50:21 -0500 Report

I am VERY sure that this is sometimes the case…but I have had a great deal of experience dealing with poor clients being treated very very poorly by doctors that do not care and a system that is so swamped that the doctors just don't have enough time with patients to do their jobs…The check up consist of blood work…how are you feeling..goodbye see you in three mos…

Gabby
GabbyPA 2015-04-08 06:06:44 -0500 Report

That is my doctor. I finally have some insurance starting in May, (doing the happy dance) and I hope to get out of the clinic and in to see some doctors that won't just give me pills. I checked for a functional doctor (I think that is what it was) and we have one in our town, but they have yet to tell me if they are only self pay or take insurance. I do have to call again.

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2015-04-08 09:38:37 -0500 Report

I pray you can find a functional doctor that will take your insurance..It lifts a BIG burden off your shoulders…Trying to figure out what to do ..and how to do it..The beauty of functional doctors is they treat the whole person and not just the illness..Every doctor should be a functional doctor..but that is just one chicks opinion..

kindlekm
kindlekm 2015-04-07 15:45:38 -0500 Report

ugh that is really depressing

although in my grandfathers case what her doctor said is fairly true he is on an oral + low count of lantus and his sugar is pretty well controlled obviously if he makes awful choices it will sky rocket or if he has an infection (which he gets somewhat often so if he was younger i'd encourage him more forcefully to be more careful ) but at his age I figure just let him enjoy himself for the most part. i haven't seen his blood work much but the last time i did i think he was right around 7 or a bit below

the worst part of the above is that him having such good control makes it hard for me to stick to what i currently need to do when i'm around him :(

so all in all depends on the diabetic and their treatment obviously based on what you said it was not true for her

Pegsy
Pegsy 2015-04-07 15:17:45 -0500 Report

I think doctors say these things to patients that they know are not going to cooperate with a healthy diet and lifestyle. My mother was one of those. She started out on minimal meds and was referred to a dietician. I went to the "class" with her and heard every word of the presentation. At the end the dietician gave my mother her "personal" diet plan for losing weight and getting her blood sugar under control. It was so calorie restricted that I knew my mother wouldn't even try to follow it, even for a day. Over time additional meds were added and she really thought she was doing well. She used to brag to me about her latest A1c. Then she was on insulin. This gave her freedom to eat whatever she wanted. If she had a lot of carbs she just increased her insulin. She quickly became out of control with sugar addiction. She died suddenly at the age of 73. What a shame. She abused her body all the way to the end. In my opinion, with the help of her doctor.

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2015-04-07 15:54:20 -0500 Report

Yes it is so very sad…a doctor should NEVER stop encouraging healthy habits even if he/she thinks the patient will not be compliant…

haoleboy
haoleboy 2015-04-07 14:48:12 -0500 Report

I always wonder … is that what their doctor actually said, or is it just what they "heard"?

Denial seems to be one of the biggest complications of diabetes.

Steve

YankeeLady
YankeeLady 2015-04-07 18:03:10 -0500 Report

yes you said it Steve - that is certainly a big part for some ppl — denial and also depression comes right along with Diabetes ~~

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2015-04-07 14:55:17 -0500 Report

May be that you are correct..But it also may not be…we all know that when people are poor and are not as well educated..as this woman apparently is..they get treated differently by the medical community…I remember calling a doctor and screaming because one of my clients came back from an appointment without a refill for their blood thinner…I specifically sent them with a letter saying they only had two days left in their med box…Their response…yes we got the letter…send him in next week and we will give him a script the doc has left for the day…NEXT WEEK!!!…This drug clearly says it must be taken consistently or the patient can die from a heart attack or stroke…I sent him to the walk in clinic the next day..Poor guy waited 4 hours just for a script…if he wasn't a Medicaid patient with drug and mental illness issues they would not of treated him that way..

haoleboy
haoleboy 2015-04-07 15:57:32 -0500 Report

No dispute from me on that … as a "brain-damaged" Medicaid recipient I am continually amazed at the way I am treated (I wasn't always in this situation so I do have basis for comparison)
I am fortunate to now have a great PCP that I have a good working relationship with. but that has not always been the case.

YankeeLady
YankeeLady 2015-04-07 18:07:01 -0500 Report

yes— I know what you mean - I found out real quick about medicaid — I have been blessed for a long time now w/good doctors — I know if I had been told early on the ravages of this disease and been shown the correct information?? I would have had a much different path — however I am doing much better these days with losing 50 lbs - saw my doc today and he was so pleased with me — I could care less actually - I didn't do it for him - I did for me - and I have about another 40 more lbs to go — dunno how ?? but I will lose it —

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