Are doctors deliberately keeping you on meds?

nzingha
By nzingha Latest Reply 2015-04-25 18:49:13 -0500
Started 2015-03-20 08:14:54 -0500

I have had a very interesting experience after visiting my doc this week. I showed her my results with these tabets i am taking called Cinculin (cinnamon extract from the bark of the tree). The damn thing has dropped my numbers so significantly that even I am in shock. I have NOT taken any insulin for about 2 months now and my numbers are within the 120-140 range and still dropping. In fact sometimes, it is too low especially in the mornings. Yesterday it was 51… I had to hastily devour some fruits to bring it up as I was feeling very weak and rightly so.
Now the morning I went to see my doc, I had just eaten (oates) so the reading was high. Still she looked at my meter and said..these are good numbers'. Yet she told me that I must continue to take the insulin because that's the only thing that works with diabetics and that's the only way to control my numbers!. I was in shock because I showed the woman the numbers and how they had dropped and were being maintained.

Anyway I decided to humour her and the evening after I had eaten I took half the dosage. Needless to say I got up with a blood sugar so low, it was frightening. Now why would she tell me to keep taking the insulin with such good numbers? Do these doctors get a commission from keeping you on medications?. Not only are my numbers good, but my blood pressure is the best it has been for ages. Plus I have resumed my excercises?
What is going on here. I am going to check my AC1..so we will see. I think she needs to do some more research and keep up to date as I have heard so many people who were put on insulin, taken off and continue to control their blood sugar. Your thoughts? Suggestions?


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spiritscript
spiritscript 2015-04-25 18:49:13 -0500 Report

Interesting! I HAVE to be on Prednisone sometimes for other health issues. When I am on it, obviously, my A1C is HIGH! So, when I'm not it goes down. So I'm on Metformin;2000mg a day and Glipizide 10mg a day. So my doctor says I'm on the highest dose of Glipizide, which is an outright lie! He then says Insulin will be next! I'm sick of being lied to!

JSJB
JSJB 2015-03-23 05:42:58 -0500 Report

I am also a believer of natural healing and I also believe you body can heal itself as long as you take care of it. In 2011 I was diagnosed as pre-diabetic. For one year the doctor I was going to prescribed different doses of Metformin. One visit he said sooner or later we will prescribe the right concoction of medication for you. When I heard that I started to think about changing doctors. The next appointment I was scheduled for was canceled and I never made another appointment. Now, I am on a diet, exercise and the metformin dose he gave me I cut in half (1 pill a day instead of 2) and have good control of my BG. Only when I go off the diet and exercise does my sugar go up. Like I said, I believe our bodies can help keep our problems under control, I am 72 and the only times I visited doctors were for work physicals, after an accident and when I broke my wrist. So stay with you beliefs but do not hesitate going to a doctor but go to one who looks at alternative ways no just pills.

Al49269
Al49269 2015-03-22 22:01:30 -0500 Report

My Doctor just told me to try other methods before any oral insulin is given. He said I would rather see you try to get control of diabetes without medicine. I was diagnosed about a week ago and he does not want me to start on medicine. He feels that it can be controlled by diet, exercise and natural remedies. He said to try the cinnamon, exercise and diet and come back to follow up in a month. I am a firm believer in natural herbs, and vitamins because they can heel so much. Yes also many doctors are pill pushers and that is why I am glad I have the doctor I have because he looks for other alternatives besides medicines.

Chopstix
Chopstix 2015-03-23 11:53:51 -0500 Report

Don't forget your apple cider vinegar(acv), turmeric and ginger. I drink a 'tea' of 1-2 teaspoon of acv, with about a pinch each of turmeric, cinnamon, ginger one to three times a day. You can also add a dash of black pepper which helps the turmeric get into the system. I was off pills about 18 or so months before an injury caused me to have a heart attack followed by bypass surgery in 2013. I was put on insulin while recovering in the hospital. I went back to my diet and exercise(walking) program as soon as possible and was able to stop injecting insulin. The only pills I take now are a blood thinner and an aspirin. The best of health to you and any time you have questions don't be afraid ask anyone here…

JSJB
JSJB 2015-03-23 05:34:34 -0500 Report

I am also a believer of natural healing and I also believe you body can heal itself as long as you take care of it. In 2011 I was diagnosed as pre-diabetic. For one year the doctor I was going to prescribed different doses of Metformin. One visit he said sooner or later we will prescribe the right concoction of medication for you. When I heard that I started to think about changing doctors. The next appointment I was scheduled for was canceled and I never made another appointment. Now, I am a diet, exercise and the metformin dose he gave me I cut in half (1 pill a day instead of 2) and have good control of my BG. Only when I go off the diet and exercise does my sugar go up. Like I said, I believe our bodies can help cure our problems, I am 72 and the only times I visited doctors were for work physicals, after an accident and when I broke my wrist. So stay with you beliefs but do not exclude a doctors visit for major problems.

nzingha
nzingha 2015-03-23 05:54:57 -0500 Report

opps jsjb..u have posted several times, the same answers..dont know what went wrong here..but thanks and i agree with u.. this morning my BS was 72…no insulin and i had a cup of tea and biscuits before going to bed..and oh an orange…in previous times and on insulin.. i would wake up with a high reading…I think I shall change to a younger doctor…someone who is willing to go outside the box of med school completed 40 years ago..lol

Chopstix
Chopstix 2015-03-22 21:44:16 -0500 Report

Hey, Love, I'm one of those people who have been on pills and insulin. The insulin was April to August 2013 after my bypass surgery. I went back to what I was doing before my heart attack with diet and exercise plus my cinnamon, apple cider vinegar and added ginger, turmeric in the mix. But it took a heart attack and surgery to find out I have 'old' heart damage I didn't know about. It seems no one can tell me when my heart got damaged. My doc tells me to keep doing what I'm doing. And I am of the strong opinion that Western doctors are mainly taught to prescribe and cut. The best of health to you…

jayabee52
jayabee52 2015-03-22 01:25:11 -0500 Report

Howdy Nzinga
I happen to believe that Drs are inculcated in the "medical model" from their first entry into med school, and once they are graduated the noose only grows tighter. They get out and start practicing medicine and the BigPharma reps visit them and promote their new wonder drug and each new Rx they write gains them payola from the BigPharma companies. So tDrs have a disincentive to suggest anything other than a medicine to cure what ails us.

That's my feeling on this

God's best to you
James

nzingha
nzingha 2015-03-22 08:53:28 -0500 Report

I absolutely agree with you James. My doc looked at the bottle of cinculin and kinda scornfully read its claims. I sat there and I said..even when the numbers are reflected in good readings she will not bend to even consider taking a closer look. She told me to still take the insulin and take the cinculin.. can't hurt. well it almost did.. 2.8 or 51 is too low. well i took no insulin all day yesterday and my numbers have continued to be good and i am even having carbs and still within good range. This must mean something. something is working. It works even better than when I am taking the insulin..so Cinsulin.. u have got me hooked! and until i see otherwise..I'm buying and storing bottles.. to save my life…I have been recommending cinsulin to all my friends..even those who r not diabetic..!

robertoj
robertoj 2015-03-20 22:24:00 -0500 Report

I suspect they are.It presents a dilemma. I know people that quit meds with bad results. Some because they need them others because they quit abruptly. Some with no apparent effects.Almost all got questionable advice. If one thinks they are being kept on meds they don't need seek a second medical opinion.

nzingha
nzingha 2015-03-20 11:55:23 -0500 Report

I am weary of peopl who do not use the internet in this modern time. They are not on top of their game. They do not read enough.I swear and my doc is one of them. I need a doc who also has diabetes. That might make a difference..lol

haoleboy
haoleboy 2015-03-20 10:57:33 -0500 Report

Apparently my doctor is an outlier. She took me off statins after 6 months as my numbers improved radically and last visit wanted me to stop metformin … she does want me to stay on a minimum dose of lisinopril but as a stroke survivor there is a strong case that can be made for that. Wondering if because she is from Ukraine has anything to do with that, maybe they teach medicine differently there.

Anyway … ultimately you are responsible for your care and need to do what you feel is right. After all it's you that will have to live with the consequences (good or bad).

Steve

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2015-03-20 09:11:33 -0500 Report

As individuals I don't think they "want" to keep their patients on meds…BUT as a community doctors are still tied to the "standard of care"…which basically ignores natural remedies…tells people to eat the ADA recommended diet and take more and more meds as the years go by..(because that is what happens when you eat the SAD)…The pioneers of natural and dietary treatment or diabetes were basically ignored and ridiculed…It is still taught that diabetes Is a progressive disease although it has already been proven that is doesn't have to be…But doctors as I said still stick to the "standard of care" methods most of the time because they are told they have to…I suggest searching for a new doctor in a "functional medicine" facility…just google and see what you can find…then find out if it takes your insurance…you may have to search for while if you are not in a larger city..Functional medical facility use diet and natural remedies along with traditional meds when necessary…I am very fortunate in that LSU has a balanced approach and has integrated functional medicine into their treatment plans… .hope I helped..

Gabby
GabbyPA 2015-03-20 10:42:44 -0500 Report

I agree 100%. The standard of care is going to be the problem with all of our treatments down the road. They will treat the disease, not the individual and that makes for some very bad medicine. Just imagine what we accept when we have something we do not have experience with or researched.

I know they go to school and learn so much and I don't mean to sound ungrateful. Medical assistance is much needed. But I wish they would listen to their patients more and not brush us off as ignorant.

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2015-03-20 13:33:53 -0500 Report

Gabby I do not think it is fair of you to clump us all together when you use words like us and our and we something you always seem to do. First of all each patient has a right to not take medications. The doctor cannot force you to take them. Secondly not all doctors brush patients off as ignorant. You are assuming that all doctors do not listen to their patients.

My doctor listens to me and addresses my concerns. He does not advocate my taking medications I don't want to take. The only reason why a doctor talks to a patient as though the patient is ignorant is because the patient does not actively participate in their health care. If the patient does not self educate, ask questions and demand answers then the doctor is going to treat them accordingly. But to say that is true of all doctors and patients is 100% incorrect.

nzingha
nzingha 2015-03-20 13:57:23 -0500 Report

Gabby I am going to agree with you. I do my research..always reading about the changes and the new developments with this Disease. I consider myself very informed and have been trying to even educate those around me. But some of these doctors belive they know it all and they don't. This insulin and I ..have not been friends from day one. So now that I see an alternative I am going to keep testing it till I see my numbers NOT controlled and so far they have been and without the use of any insulin. Which tells me there is another route. These doctors are NOT willing to deal with each patient as individuals, whose bodies react in diffrnt ways. She was also able to cut down on other medications as well…I am now down to half the prescrition list that she gave me previously. On what grounds did she make that decision>? Concern for my monthly medical bills? I don't think so. But when I do the tests she has ordered..we will see. Thse older medical people DO NOT READ< DO NOT RESEARCH and are NOT on top of today's changes. They are still stuck in their old ways. How can u not be on the internet? What you learnt 20 years ago..is not totally relevant in today's world. Someone told me that I should go lecture in communications. I laughed and said I could but I don't want thtose kinna stress. Further, the young people would be having a field day with me because they are so on top of the technology which is changing every day and here I am talking about social media..i would have to go learn from them..so it's the same thing with these doctors..things and times are changing and they need to change with them..as simple as that! and to listen to their patients…

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