SOY....(ominous music plays in the back ground)

Jibber Jabber
By Jibber Jabber Latest Reply 2015-03-18 00:51:26 -0500
Started 2015-03-16 21:18:18 -0500

As I was trapped at my daughters house for most of the day…and the entire day revolved around food and health we had some rather interesting conversations…One of which was about soy…Once I heard that soy was used to treat symptoms of menopause (decades ago) I stopped eating it..I didn't need to hear any more than that…My daughter (who doesn't eat soy on purpose but doesn't watch for it the way I do on ingredient labels) confused because all the doctors say it is healthy and so many health conscience people include soy in their diets…My question is…why do you or don't you eat soy???

50 replies

Pegsy 2015-03-17 18:27:59 -0500 Report

I have never had a doctor tell me that soy is healthy. I avoid it because it is my understanding that it messes with a woman's hormones and I don't really like it.

JoleneAL 2015-03-17 08:46:14 -0500 Report

When I was put on thyriod medication I was warned to stay away from soy, as it nullifies the medication.

I've also been told there are studies showing children who were given soy based formula eventually developed thyroid conditions. How true that is, I can't say - as I was breastfed (according to mom).

I won't eat the stuff on purpose.

GabbyPA 2015-03-17 06:13:46 -0500 Report

Number one, it is a Genetically Modified Food unless you purchase it Organic. Monstanto's first brain child after corn I believe. Don't even get me started on that one.

I was trying to find the discussion on it, but I had done some research a long time ago after I started to drink soy milk, thinking it was good for me. It is not good for women and especially overweight women. I cannot for the life of me remember why, but I imagine it's hormonally based. I will have to go look some more to see if I can find it. I just recall. After reading that, I stopped drinking soy milk and buying mayonnaise or salad dressings made with soy oils.

I do still use soy sauce, so I guess I'm a hypocrite. I have tried the amino acids by Bragg, but it's not the same flavor profile. Maybe I will have to try it again, and just live with it.

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2015-03-17 06:36:49 -0500 Report

Monstanto is one of the most evil corporations to ever inhabit the earth…and are responsible for much more than destroying the food supply, but also bankrupting many a family farm…I lost all respect for them when I found out they owned the sole rights to their seeds and the crops they have developed are incapable of producing viable seed…which means the farmers have no choice but to buy from them at whatever price they decide to sell at…One of the biggest reasons I miss NYC is we had so many farmers markets…one would think we would have more down here in the south..but no…sad face…I have to hitch up the wagon and go into New Orleans (ewww) to find a farmers market…

haoleboy 2015-03-17 12:15:15 -0500 Report

Just curious as to how Monsanto is "destroying the food supply".
We seem to be doing a pretty good job of feeding a population that grows by about 1 billion people every 15 years … seems to me that if the food supply was being destroyed that there would be worldwide famine … based on my last trip to Walmart, that just ain't happening.
Most food crops are hybrids … most seeds from hybrids produce an inferior crop so farmers generally buy new seeds every year. My next door neighbor in Chico sold seed … I had this very conversation with him as I was curious how he could have any sort of repeat business.
One of the many things I love about living in the central valley of California are the farmers markets. Just about 5 miles north of us is a huge farmers market that blew me away the first time I went. HUGE! and the prices are ridiculously low.


suecsdy 2015-03-17 18:51:46 -0500 Report

I lived in Fairfield, CA for 14 yrs and while the rents were on the high side, The produce was always reasonable. When we moved to Phoenix, I had a little bit if sticker shock when I saw the prices on produce.

haoleboy 2015-03-17 19:08:01 -0500 Report

We're about 60 miles east of Fairfield in Sacramrnto County … yeah, when we moved here from Hawaii 24 years ago it was as if the produce was free. (produce in Hawaii is outrageously expensive, as is housing)


Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2015-03-17 13:56:20 -0500 Report

When they can prove that the food they are putting on the table of American homes is safe..both short term and long term…then I will eat that crap…they have replaced foods we have been eating for thousands of years with GMO crap…and I will call it crap until they prove otherwise…we talk about eating REAL food all the time on DC..REAL food is not created in a lab…Until then I am against the same company that produced agent orange..producing my food…There have been countries going through FAMINE that would not accept our GMO seed to feed their people..and Europe has banned it because there is not enough research to prove it is safe…better to lose a hundred thousand lives to famine then to destroy their ecosystem for eternity..Come talk to me is 30 or 40 years…about how "safe" this food is…food that can not even produce more food because it has been so altered..

haoleboy 2015-03-17 14:44:17 -0500 Report

From The American Association for the Advancement of Science:
"The World Health Organization, the American Medical Association, the U.S. National Academy of Sciences, the British Royal Society, and every other respected organization that has examined the evidence has come to the same conclusion: consuming foods containing ingredients derived from GM crops is no riskier than consuming the same foods containing ingredients from crop plants modified by conventional plant improvement techniques."

haoleboy 2015-03-17 14:37:10 -0500 Report

From the Oxford Journals:
"The available scientific evidence indicates that the potential adverse health effects arising from biotechnology-derived foods are not different in nature from those created by conventional breeding practices for plant, animal, or microbial enhancement, and are already familiar to toxicologists. It is therefore important to recognize that the food product itself, rather than the process through which it is made, should be the focus of attention in assessing safety."

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2015-03-17 14:47:57 -0500 Report

The available scientific evidence…REALLY…How much is available NOT is enough for me to know that countries have banned it.countries that have much better/cleaner more natural food supplies than the united states…I have friends in Europe that tell me ALL of our food taste nasty..our meat…our eggs..our produce…because "science" has scewed with it so much…quamtity is not the same as quality…and corporations that rape farmers for what the use to be able to produce themselves are evil…

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2015-03-17 15:37:48 -0500 Report

Farm animals when given a choice between eating GMO grains and reguar grains…ALAYS choose the regular grains,..livestock fed GMO grains have a higher incidence of death from multiple cause…watched a pbs documentary a couple years ago…shocked the shit out of me…They ALWAYS choose the non GMO grain,,,

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2015-03-17 15:32:59 -0500 Report

I don't deny fact..when long term studies are done to prove these are safe..especially consumed in large quanties…I will eat them..meanwhile I can find a dozen other scientist that will say they are as dangerous as these people say they are safe ( and you know I can)…isn't it a shame this conversation has to take place at all…when man thinks he can create better food than God put on this earth o good can come of It,

haoleboy 2015-03-17 15:42:17 -0500 Report

You are aware that if we had not modified the foods we now eat we would still be eating grubs and roots. Actually we probably would have died off centuries ago.
I challenge you to try and live on foods that are not modified by man in any way … you'd starve.
Ah well …We don't have to agree on everything. We can still be friends.

jayabee52 2015-03-18 00:17:37 -0500 Report

Grubs and roots? come on Steve. There is a big difference between those foods which have been bred using natural means and those which have been manipulated by adding a frog cell (or some such thing) to give it a desired characteristic.

haoleboy 2015-03-18 00:51:26 -0500 Report

Everything we eat has been modified from its original form (including animals). I was responding to the statement that "man thinks he can create better food than God put on this earth o good can come of It". We have been modifying "God's food" for centuries and if you would look at the science of modern genetically modified foods you'd see it is not the "Frankenfood" that the fear mongers have obviously convinced you they are but a modern and quicker way to get the same sort of results Mendel was getting in the 1800's.
Do you deny the science of global warming, vaccines, and evolution as easily?

valentine lady
valentine lady 2015-03-16 23:45:57 -0500 Report

Hi Jib Jab,
I don't, I won't eat soy…it taste gross. YUK POOIE. …and I was a vegetarian for 7 years. It even feels weird in the mouth. Like a mouthful of mush. Nasty stuff…I don't know know about soy
sauce. But I like it…

jayabee52 2015-03-17 11:58:35 -0500 Report

I grew up on a dairy and grain farm and we grew soybeans. Occasionally I would pop a few in my mouth and chew them, (much like I chewed wheat berries). I didn't necessarily like the taste but it was not off-putting either.

My friend Miko was asian and had me cook for her. I was tasked with buying Tofu and she shared it with me a time or two. The mouth feel was interesting and was not something I'd try again. I MUCH prefer a good cut of steak, pork or chicken.

You likely enjoy soy sauce due to the salt and/or the MSG contained therein.

valentine lady
valentine lady 2015-03-17 22:58:50 -0500 Report

Hi Babe,
You do what you do and I'll do what I have to do. NO soy or tofu for me. As for soy sauce I only like the lite soy sauce. Regular is to strong for me. Now I'm with you with a steak or chicken or even pork. I'm with you on everything but soy and tofu.
Love u

jayabee52 2015-03-17 23:05:06 -0500 Report

Sweetness, were you reading my post? Perhaps I confused you. I recalled eating Tofu and stated that It is NOT something I'd want to try again.

Love you

YankeeLady 2015-03-16 21:33:50 -0500 Report

too salty for me— I love it - but ? it has gotten to taste really salty to me—way too salty even if I just use a drop or two—

haoleboy 2015-03-16 21:32:39 -0500 Report

I admit to an addiction to wasabi edamame … also love tofu and shoyu (soy sauce to you non-Hawaiians)).
I am aware that there are some concerns about soy, but I have been eating it regularly for the past 40 years with no ill effects (so far).


suecsdy 2015-03-16 21:58:49 -0500 Report

I must be dense. I never made the connection between soy sauce and the evil SOY. OMG. Needed that laugh. Just yesterday at the grocery, I came across some soy flour and debated getting it. Decided it could wait since I will be away from home for a while. Also wanted to do a little research on it first. So tell me about soy.

haoleboy 2015-03-16 23:59:05 -0500 Report

Soy is an incredibly protein-rich legume and one of the very few vegetarian sources of complete protein. It is also a common allergen with some real health concerns … but as I mentioned none which I have experienced. I cook with soy sauce on a regular basis. Soy sauce is made from fermented soybeans but is very high in sodium so it should be used judiciously.
Tofu (aka beancurd) is made from "soy milk" (think soy cottage cheese pressed into blocks) it is somewhat flavorless but great in stir frys where it is an excellent substitute for meat.
For me, the real all-star is edamame … the immature soybean. These can be eaten raw, cooked or dried (my favorite … with wasabi). 1/4 cup of dried edamame has 9 g carbs, 7 g fiber, and 14 g protein.
Most of the soybeans are GMO a concern for some, but as I believe in science, not a concern for me.
I don't use soybean oil or products that contain soy protein which is where many of the health concerns lie.
One note on soy sauce. It does contain wheat so if gluten is a concern you may wish to consider tamari … the Japanese version of soy sauce which (usually) is made without wheat. It is also less salty and a more complex tasting sauce ,,, better for dipping. I like to use shoyu for cooking and tamari on the table.
I guess I should also mention miso. Made from fermented soybeans it is best known in Miso Soup (usually with tofu)… something you want to try if you get a chance, very nutritious.