Having fun online today with the herbavores...

Jibber Jabber
By Jibber Jabber Latest Reply 2015-03-15 04:11:11 -0500
Started 2015-03-04 10:52:17 -0600

I don't care what any one eats…Not my business…but I sure am having fun today online debating a vegan…now as I said I don't care what anyone choses to eat…if you want to be a vegetarian or a vegan..God bless…have a ball…but please do not tell me that humans are not suppose to eat meat…I laughed so hard when I read this…it doesn't matter if you believe in God and his design of the human body..or if you are an atheist and believe in pure science..there are just a few facts that are indeed facts no matter what kind of spin you put on them…Plant eaters have flat teeth…Meat eaters have sharp teeth…and humans have both..The perfect human diet..the one we are meant by design to eat (be it God's design or evolutionary design)…is one made of both meat and vegetation..period end of conversation…Now if you want to argue about how our food chain has been polluted and perhaps how most food is no longer as healthy as it is suppose to be..you have me up there on board…BUT our vegetation is just as polluted as our meat and seafood…so again..it all goes back to design…we are omnivores by design…and I for one am grateful…please pass the steak…

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61 replies

MrsCDogg
MrsCDogg 2015-03-11 15:53:26 -0500 Report

The ones who get me so irritated are the ones who treat it like a religion. It is a choice about what to eat. Or the ones who say "I don't want anything to die in order for me to eat." My reply to that is…Well, then you need to stop eating and only drink water because the lettuce, cucumbers, tomatoes, and and all those yummy vegetables you eat with such abandon have to die in order for you to eat them. That's usually when I hear silence.

Dok Di
Dok Di 2015-03-07 09:11:16 -0600 Report

From a practical point of view, "converting" to veganism has to be accompanied by eating a wide variety of foods to get proper nutrients. Too many converts have pet foods and turn their noses up at foods they need for complete nutrition. I had an American child (of newly born again vegans) come in the hospital with kwashiorkor and folate deficiency from ODing on bananas. "All things in moderation" means ALL things in MODERATION.

Chopstix
Chopstix 2015-03-05 22:17:34 -0600 Report

As long as it tastes good and doesn't raise my blood glucose put it on my plate. Remember, if I refuse to eat it that just means I've tried before and didn't like it.

JoleneAL
JoleneAL 2015-03-05 13:08:24 -0600 Report

Have you heard of people wanting to feed children and their pets a vegan diet? Horrors!

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2015-03-05 22:20:39 -0600 Report

Yes and I have heard of idiot parents having their children taken away from them…for feeding them insane things like almond milk..instead of breast milk or formula…those babies will NEVER recover..large amounts of fat are needed for brain development…

JoleneAL
JoleneAL 2015-03-06 08:21:54 -0600 Report

And farm raised milk is available. I don't know where I read it, but there was something I saw a few days ago that milk is actually more for children and that adults should stop drinking it … either that or I was dreaming. LOL

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2015-03-06 08:44:13 -0600 Report

actually YES…milk is not a human food beyond the breast milk that an infant drinks and many people find it to be inflammatory..milk isn't even for children..they are suppose to get their milk from their mother's breast milk and stop milk consumption after they are weaned…but lets face it most parents don't feed their kids properly and milk has become a natural easy go to for "nutritional" purposes…me I LOVE milk…and miss it…but way too many carbs for me…and if someone tries to take my coffee cream or my cheese…I will be wearing an orange jumpsuit…

JoleneAL
JoleneAL 2015-03-06 08:55:01 -0600 Report

I have bail money!!!

I grew up drinking it, but —- we milked our own cow and it was 24 hours old at best when we had it! Mom made homemade butter from the cream too! Ah, those were the days. But I don't miss it now at all.

jayabee52
jayabee52 2015-03-06 12:14:35 -0600 Report

Howdy Jolene
I grew up on a dairy farm I drank raw milk until I left home in my 20s. Had trouble getting used to the taste of what I called "white water". Now I have lactose intolerance and avoid fluid milk.

James

jayabee52
jayabee52 2015-03-05 15:23:18 -0600 Report

Actually, Jolene, I have, Have heard of the loonies on the left coast (mainly tinsel town) doing that to their kids. I wouldn't be surprised if they did it to their pets as well.

valentine lady
valentine lady 2015-03-05 09:58:28 -0600 Report

JIB Jab,
I used to be a vegetarian, for 7 years. I stopped on the advice of my

DR. I developed thalasiamia anemia. I was very sick. And considered malnutrition. ..I do not support a vegan or vegetarian diet for just anyone.
For diabetics it's deadly as most of the food is high carb but low in nutrition. However, it took about 6 weeks for me to acquire. a

taste for meat again. They started me on protein shakes and slowly
worked my way up to meat. Now you can't rip a rib eye steak out of my hands. Lol. VL

lilleyheidi
lilleyheidi 2015-03-05 04:38:56 -0600 Report

wish I had been awake or around when this discussion started… great discussion. definite believer we are meant to eat steak and veggies, and fruits and maybe a bit of grains.

YankeeLady
YankeeLady 2015-03-04 19:44:14 -0600 Report

yes ma'am I bet you do get into trouble all the time>> my question is ??? why ?? you know you won't win - so what's the outcome ? giving you something to do ?? goodness knows I understand that one — I guess you just don't take life too serious eh ?? that's a good thing actually- esp if you're into being "whaled upon" quite often —- life's too short = enjoy — tha'ts my 2 cents worth !! LOL

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2015-03-04 20:04:20 -0600 Report

I always win…even if the other person doesn't know it..because they argue feeling and I argue fact…and I didn't start any confrontation…I was on a keto page..discussing a dinner menu and actually asking about a certain veggie…vegan dude..who must have nothing better to do with his time than troll meat eaters…interjected..calling us immoral thugs…sooooo…I had fun with it…when given lemons…make lemonade…

jayabee52
jayabee52 2015-03-05 10:16:41 -0600 Report

There is an obnoxious vegan on DC with whom I have had "fun" too. Have gone round and round with this person but this person has lost any time the argument has come up.
I think this person has not been back on this board for quite some time now

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2015-03-05 10:48:40 -0600 Report

Sad..he probably would of learned a thing or two had he stayed…even IF he decided to stay vegan..we do discuss other things besides diet..

sweetslover
sweetslover 2015-03-04 15:48:10 -0600 Report

Steak and all other beef cuts, chicken, turkey, fish, pork—bring them on. If my body is not supposed to consume them, then I am sure it will let me know. It sure seems to let me know whenever I do anything else wrong. :)

Gabby
GabbyPA 2015-03-04 15:16:11 -0600 Report

Rib-eye coming by, medium rare right off the grill with a pat of garlic butter on top! YUM

I know that discussion has gone on for a very long time and I am sure it's based on our less than perfect scientific findings along the way. I agree, we have biting teeth, ripping teeth, chewing teeth and only one stomach. There you go.

The proclaimed healthy eating of vegan (if they are true vegan, they don't cook anything...not one single thing) and vegetarian recipes are crazy for most diabetics because they are very high in carbohydrates. I found that out when I went vegan for 30 days. It was painfully hard and I really was glad that I could eat meat and keep a clear conscience. Though I did enjoy juicing for 2 weeks and it made me feel good, but I could not live forever that way.

The real point, as it is in most things is balance of the foods we eat. Eat what makes you feel good (not emotionally) and takes care of your body.

MarkS
MarkS 2015-03-04 12:53:46 -0600 Report

If God hadn't intended man to eat meat He wouldn't have made it taste so good!

jayabee52
jayabee52 2015-03-04 13:05:09 -0600 Report

couldn't one say the same for the carbohydrates? Hmmm?

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2015-03-04 14:13:33 -0600 Report

carbs don't become evil till we screw up our bodies with the bad ones…and the bad ones do not come from God…if we were suppose to eat white rice it would grow that way…and I am yet..in all my years of searching…to find a twinkee tree…

Fefe12
Fefe12 2015-03-08 00:39:09 -0600 Report

Lol, I don't like twinkies, but a chocolate chip cookie with pecans tree would really make me smile. Being a tree, that would make it a fruit, right? :)

Fefe12
Fefe12 2015-03-08 00:31:03 -0600 Report

Lol, I don't like twinkies, but a chocolate chip cookie with pecans tree would really make me smile. Being a tree, that would make it a fruit, right? :)

jayabee52
jayabee52 2015-03-04 11:47:02 -0600 Report

Howdy Jib Jab
I am with you in your attitude toward what you eat. I was in the grocery on Sun and came upon a little flier of xeroxed quotes from well known people decrying the eating of meat. I picked it up and put it in my pocket to examine later. I also at the same store 2 wks ago) came across a small magazine from PETA decrying the eating of meat. I picked that up for later perusal. I think I still have both, and may get them out to use here.

I wanted to use the PETA mag as the basis of a new discussion, but decided against doing so because I know there are people here who promote a Vegan lifestyle and I didn't want to start a flame war here on DC, But perhaps I could use the mag here.

BTW I just had a grass fed New York strip steak last night for supper. IMHO there is no finer eating than that.

God's best to you

James

YankeeLady
YankeeLady 2015-03-04 21:49:05 -0600 Report

sounds real good to me — I used to eat meat with my meat !! however I have learned that the right portion makes all the difference— but I still like my meat— great protein I say —

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2015-03-04 12:02:02 -0600 Report

PETA is one of those organization that literally make me sick to my stomach…they believe animals and humans are equal..as a Christian woman I believe we have been given dominion over the animals…and God , if one reads the bible has zero problem with the consumption of animal protein..( Jesus didn't feed the masses with tofu..he gave them fish)…do I tink some of our methods are cruel and need to be improved…yes…does that stop me from eating meat…NO..if I had the ability to hunt all of my own meat I would..but we live in a society where we get most from the market and the market from the ranchers and farmers…I cant change that…soooooo…I go with the flow..

JoleneAL
JoleneAL 2015-03-05 13:12:31 -0600 Report

I grew up on a farm. There are human ways to bring food to the table, but PETA wants no death period. As my husband reminds me PETA stands for "People Eating Tasty Animals".

Gabby
GabbyPA 2015-03-04 15:21:14 -0600 Report

PETA is overreaching and doesn't understand the consequences of what they preach. I will say, however, that how our food is raised does bother me and when I can I try to support local or humane treatment of the animals that are my food. Usually because healthy food makes healthy people. I have seen the "Cattle fields" in Texas and they are creepy and unnatural. It is sad when you ask kids where hamburger comes from and they say Walmart.

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2015-03-04 20:24:28 -0600 Report

I drove by a few of those cattle fields in Texas myself…kind of like watching prisoners in lock up…but as it stands today in this country farmers..no matter what they farm are suffering big time…the larger "corporate" farms are squeezing the little guys out…so it is not like they can afford many improvements..

YankeeLady
YankeeLady 2015-03-04 21:51:45 -0600 Report

you think like me — unfortunately we cannot change these things anytime soon - we just do the best we can — always

haoleboy
haoleboy 2015-03-04 13:38:26 -0600 Report

Jesus would have been a founding member of PETA

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2015-03-04 14:16:45 -0600 Report

I don't think so…but then again I don't want to speak for Jesus…the Meat Industry is cruel…but PETA stands for so much more that preventing the cruel production of meat…they don't want people to eat ANY meat..or fish for that matter…Maybe..he would of been a founding member in a group that just focused on animal cruelty…but NOT one that preached against the consumption of meat and fish…add this to the fact that I lost all respect for PETA several years ago when they published side by side photos of a puppy mill and a concentration camp..saying they were equivalent…nope..the little respect I had for them at THAT point…was lost..

YankeeLady
YankeeLady 2015-03-04 21:54:51 -0600 Report

Hold on there — puppy mills ?? uh ah — they are awful and all about money— no thank you— what I know about that issue is there is no good puppy mill- good breeders? that's another issue there are humane ones I'm sure — but puppy mills ARE concentration camps and worse - amen

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2015-03-05 08:04:32 -0600 Report

I am sorry..but to equate puppies being bred in what some consider inhumane conditions is NOT equal to millions of men ..women and children being gassed because of their religious beliefs…I do believe puppy mills are evil..and I would NEVER purchase a puppy from one…but at least the vast majority of those dogs find loving homes eventually…cant say the victims of the holocaust were so fortunate…

Pegsy
Pegsy 2015-03-04 15:59:01 -0600 Report

If you read the Bible you will find that he was not a vegetarian. He at fish and he ate lamb.

haoleboy
haoleboy 2015-03-04 16:26:21 -0600 Report

I have read the bible several times … it does mention that he ate fish but I believe the assertion that he ate lamb would be made due to the fact that he was a Jew and did observe Passover (on 3 occasions) which meant he would most likely have eaten lamb.

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2015-03-04 16:44:02 -0600 Report

God ordered the regular slaughter of animals..both for rights of atonements and for celebrational purposes…The bible doesn't speak of Jesus actually eating meat..but it did speak of jesus taking part in religious ceremonies that included animal blood sacrifices…God ordered the slaughter of lambs during exodus…and Jesus is described as the lamb of God…meaning the last sacrifice…

jayabee52
jayabee52 2015-03-05 11:55:35 -0600 Report

Steve, I know that God did NOT order human sacrifice in Exodus.
However God did order Abraham in Genesis 21:2: “Take now your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I shall tell you." However God did not let Abraham go through with the sacrifice for in v 11 But the Angel of the Lord called to him from heaven and said, “Abraham, Abraham!”
So he said, “Here I am.”
12 And He said, “Do not lay your hand on the lad, or do anything to him; for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only son, from Me.”
13 Then Abraham lifted his eyes and looked, and there behind him was a ram caught in a thicket by its horns. So Abraham went and took the ram, and offered it up for a burnt offering instead of his son. (NKJV)

There is no command to sacrifice humans in Exodus. Levititicus 1 gives the list of acceptable sacrifices to God ~ https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=... You will notice that human beings are not on the list.

In fact the in Leviticus 20 the Israelites were forbidden to offer human sacrifice. See ~ https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=... 20:2-5

Jus' sain'

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2015-03-04 17:36:53 -0600 Report

You say God ordered human sacrifices??? I know every verse that is going through your mind…list them and I will prove …that human sacrifices where NOT ordained by God…just like there is no seven headed dragon even though the bible mentions one…this is going to be fun if you decide to partake… I should mention that I taught bible school for 7 years before we start…just so that you know..and took no less than 4 classes in Christian theology..

haoleboy
haoleboy 2015-03-04 17:45:09 -0600 Report

perhaps I should pass … I'm not even Christian fer cryin' out loud … just enjoy yanking your chain a bit

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2015-03-04 17:52:32 -0600 Report

oh well…would of been fun..but I always have the most fun discussing religion and politics…gets me into crap loads of trouble.

debcox
debcox 2015-03-04 13:31:01 -0600 Report

Jibber Jabber, I totally love my steak & burgers. I also love to hunt and have done so since around 1988. I have a tag in for elk & deer this year. We also belong to a group that buys cattle and feeds them organically. So every year, we have a cow in the freezer. We raise chickens for the eggs and while we could eat them, my grandsons would have a fit. So I buy chicken from the supermarket. We are looking into buying a 4H hog this year so we can have pork. We have a huge 1/4 acre garden so that we can grow our own veggies and I usually freeze them but this year, I will be canning (have to learn how first). I love that my grandsons know where their food comes from.

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2015-03-04 14:24:16 -0600 Report

PETA says hunting is cruel…PETA says eating store bought meat is unethical…PETA says even pasture raised animals are not for consumption…PETA just needs people to top eating all animal protein..no matter where it comes from…and by the way..PETA shelters are NOT no kill…if you ever have an pet you can no longer keep..do NOT take them to a PETA shelter thinking they will be safe…look for a no kill shelter..PETA kills over 80% of the animals that are brought to them…a fact that is easily verified by a simple internet search…I WISH I could go hunting with my hubby and sons more often than we do…that to me is a much better humane way to get meat..but we only go once a year..some deer…and my neighbor brings us ducks and turkeys once in a while…fish…we get fresh fish once a month..when my hubby goes out into the gulf with his buddies…but I don't much like fish..just cook it up for the hubby…

MarkS
MarkS 2015-03-04 12:57:16 -0600 Report

You just made my day - Jesus feeding the masses with tofu! Now that is funny! Oh, and please pass the hamburgers!

haoleboy
haoleboy 2015-03-04 11:44:24 -0600 Report

Vegan baiting is a great online pastime only thing better is baiting the Paleo disciples.
Throughout our history we have been opportunistic eaters … omnivores.
I have gone the vegetarian route and I understand from a moral perspective how this lifestyle could be attractive … but it doesn't work for me … but I LOVE vegetables, fruits and grains.
I probably follow more of an ancestral style "diet", but the concept that we could not have genetically changed in 10,000 years amuses me as I have blue eyes and I am lactose tolerant (neither traits were around in the paleolithic era)
When your nutrition/dietary "beliefs" start resembling religion I think you have gone too far.

Steve

jayabee52
jayabee52 2015-03-04 11:50:43 -0600 Report

Howdy Steve
How can you be so sure that one or both of those traits you mentioned weren't around during the paleolithic. Were you actually there at that time, or is this what you have been told by others?

Just asking.
James

haoleboy
haoleboy 2015-03-04 12:47:15 -0600 Report

Science tells us these things James …

Danish researchers found that the mutation for blue eyes occurred 6,000 - 10,00 years ago.http://bit.ly/1NgWt90

Research has also shown that lactose tolerance in non-infant humans started during the neolithic period after the domestication of goats and sheep. (can't find the exact citation for that at the moment)
this one will work: http://bit.ly/1Nhvo5y

Steve

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2015-03-04 14:27:36 -0600 Report

I doubt that blues eyes existed before anyone migrated out of the middle east/northern Africa where most people believe human life originated…One would think they would of had dark eyes…I don't need a scientific study to tell me that blue eyes came much much later…it just makes sense…