More cheese please

Jibber Jabber
By Jibber Jabber Latest Reply 2015-03-04 16:41:33 -0600
Started 2015-02-28 21:10:20 -0600

Dear God I need to turn off this computer…I am not only taking a prolonged EMF bath…but there is just too much information in this flipping thing…who knew there was a vitamn K2.?? I Knew about vitamin K…but K2…apparently it is very important for keeping arterial walls healthy…and is found in fermented veggies and certain cheeses…me..I think I am going to go get some Gouda tomorrow…apparently Gouda is gooda…sorry had to say it…

49 replies

haoleboy 2015-03-03 14:19:23 -0600 Report

As I have eaten Gouda since I was a small child (one of the advantages of having grown up in Europe) I'm hoping K2 isn't an issue for me … that said … of the dietary issues I am concerned about K2 doesn't make the list as my take is that it is becoming just another nutrition hot-topic or fad (like Gluten Free)
… but as I have this uncontrollable need to post links I have one to share on this subject (actually I have many more than one but I'm trying to control myself)


Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2015-03-03 15:17:59 -0600 Report

Well anything can become a fad when it comes to health…and I don't think it is healthy for any person to focus on any one vitamin or other nutrient as if it is a cure all…but any information is good…and adding some sauerkraut or a wedge of cheese to your diet is easy enough to do…but yeah just don't get too focused on any one thing…because then you might end up missing the boat on the 'overall health" thing…

haoleboy 2015-03-03 15:42:29 -0600 Report

My apologies if I came across as judgmental or dismissive. I read anything and everything I can about nutrition. I truly believe "Knowledge is Power."
I use all the valid info I gather in my quest to eat as healthy as possible and to avoid any more health issues (my plate is quite full in that regard)


Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2015-03-03 16:48:46 -0600 Report

You didn't come off as that way at all…it is true…many things do become fads…my turn to apologize..i didn't mean to make you feel like you had to apologize…smile.

GabbyPA 2015-03-03 09:30:38 -0600 Report

Fermented foods are a great source like Kimchi and real sour kraut. I had a friend serve me fermented carrots and ginger, yummy. It is an acquired taste however. I love pickles and tried fermented ones....grosssssss! But I have made sour kraut and it's easy and good.

So cheese yes, but we need to also eat more fermented foods as a whole. I don't think wine counts. LOL

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2015-03-03 10:15:26 -0600 Report

Even if it did…I have ruled out ever drinking it again…I made a donkey(better 3 letter word describes it) out of myself last time I tried…

MarkS 2015-03-02 11:47:05 -0600 Report

Okay, you got me thinking about cheese as I prepare to eat my lunch. While I enjoy gouda, I like a lot of other cheeses too, but wanted to know which ones were also a good source of Vitamin K2. Well, Brie and Edam are on the list - and I really, really enjoy brie (I don't recall eating edam). So I am one excited camper to go grocery shopping with brie on the top of my list!

haoleboy 2015-03-02 10:58:50 -0600 Report

Two other choices for goodly amounts of K2 are Edam and Brie cheeses … making this a wonderfully delicious choice!
(you can usually find Edam cheaper than Gouda, btw)


GabbyPA 2015-03-03 09:31:22 -0600 Report

I enjoy heated brie and pears. Does the heat kill the bacteria needed?

MarkS 2015-03-03 11:45:31 -0600 Report

No, the amount of heat used, if you warm the brie is inconsequential to Vitamin K (I am guessing that you meant Vitamin K).

GabbyPA 2015-03-03 13:14:13 -0600 Report

It is the bacteria that helps with the K that is what fermented foods have as well. I guess I was kind of combining this discussion with the one that RosalieM started that talked about K, K2 and gut bacteria and how you need the whole combination to work best.

MarkS 2015-03-03 13:27:15 -0600 Report

So, rather than the bacteria in the cheese, it is my understanding is that the synthesis of Vitamin K that occurs in your gut is done by the normal flora present in your intestines (e.g., though there are "trillions" of bacteria present, it is lactobacillus that gets the credit for synthesizing Vitamin K).

GabbyPA 2015-03-03 14:07:44 -0600 Report

Steve just mentioned that along with Gouda cheese, brie also had that beneficial bacteria in it.

RosalieM 2015-03-03 11:32:35 -0600 Report

Hi Gabby,
I don't know for sure if heating kills the bacteria in Brei for sure. Usually cooking anything does kill bacteria.

YankeeLady 2015-03-01 16:28:52 -0600 Report

thanks for your good information — I am really happy I joined DC — am still learning how to navigate but I'm getting there — you all are a blessing— many thanks

RosalieM 2015-03-01 12:26:34 -0600 Report

Hi Jibber,
Gouda is the cheese you want. It does keep arterial walls healthy. If you have ever had your heart arteries scanned as I have, they don't measure cholesterol,
they measure calcium. Calcium should not be your blood vessels at all. It causes hardening of the arteries. Taking calcium pills causes calcium to collect in the arteries. The particles are too big to be absorbed in the bones and teeth.
More bad science of the recent past. Gouda cheese is made with Vitamin K2, needed to absorb calcium and it is a good source of calcium at the same time.
I live in the cheese state, Wisconsin. We even wear cheese heads. Make it Gouda. Our bodies make vitamin K 2 out of the good bacteria. However the chemicals in processed foods and the antibiotics fed all the meat we eat, kills our good bacteria off so not enough vitamin K2. I assume you don't eat processed food any more, but probably a lot of meat on a Keto diet. Eat meat that has not been fed antibiotics. The label will say that. Eat Gouda cheese.
I just gave you one of my classes, now buy something already. :))

MarkS 2015-03-01 11:44:52 -0600 Report

Ah, how about smoked gouda. And I love cheese too. So, to use RosalieM's reasoning, you love gouda, I love gouda, then you and I must love each other. Wouldn't this be the way she reasons? But please don't tell my wife.

YankeeLady 2015-03-01 20:33:48 -0600 Report

ah-HA —- there is some humor lurking around !!! how bout that one !!! ?? it helps == believe you me Mark S - the more we laugh ? the better we are !! very good — keep it up LOL

Type1Lou 2015-03-01 12:37:46 -0600 Report

Isn't it obvious…It's gouda for you! I love and eat most cheeses, as long as it's not that artificial plastic low-fat stuff.

Pegsy 2015-03-01 08:01:40 -0600 Report

I've never tried gouda. Now I must.

YankeeLady 2015-03-01 20:36:29 -0600 Report

Me either Peggy — I have heard of Gouda but guess I just overlooked it - now I will have to try it !! I"m a cheese lover also— I just thought it mostly has too much fat in it — course ya know- in small quantities you have a lot of things— that's what I have found anyhow

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2015-03-01 10:02:06 -0600 Report

I love cheese…never need an excuse to eat more..hee hee…behold the power!!!!!!

Pegsy 2015-03-01 14:35:20 -0600 Report

I like cheeses with a sharp flavor such as Swiss and extra sharp Cheddar. But I also like the mellow flavor of cream cheese. How does Gouda compare as far as flavor?

RosalieM 2015-03-01 15:19:40 -0600 Report

Gouda is quite mellow and so good. I like to buy big wedges of it at Sam's club. I like theirs best.

lilleyheidi 2015-03-01 00:31:52 -0600 Report

Thanks for the info, I'm shopping in the AM and hadn't finished my list, i'm adding gouda to the list right now !

YankeeLady 2015-03-01 20:40:00 -0600 Report

me too == I'll shop Tues after we get a thaw around here so I can out of the driveway— this is just unknown in this part of the country — we've had 3 snowstorms in 2 wks and these folks here know very little about it at all- I'm close to Yorktown Va. right across the river —- geeeeeez

suecsdy 2015-02-28 23:26:12 -0600 Report

And now they sell it pre-packaged and sliced in the deli section at the grocery(Gouda, not vitamin k). Lol

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2015-03-01 00:06:29 -0600 Report

I generally stay away from pre shredding or sliced cheeses…may of them have additives like potato starch to keep them separated…

GabbyPA 2015-03-03 09:33:57 -0600 Report

Yep, I do the same. I shred and slice my own. You have to be aware of your sour cream and cottage cheese the same way. I only buy Friendship or Daisy...all the rest and other stuff in them, like modified food starch....yuck.

valentine lady
valentine lady 2015-02-28 21:46:22 -0600 Report

Hi Jib Jab,
I used to study about vitamins and minerals and was advised to give it up. Why you ask…because there's a vitamin or mineral for everything. It was making me crazy. People calling me for advice. Wanting to know to cure cancer. Yeah,.that one got to me too. You'll find out the samething. Atleast that there is a vitamin or mineral for
Everything. Everything that ails you and for preventIon as well. I know about k2. But best used under dr.'s care. Vit. K isn't for everyone.
Just thought I'd let you know. A heads up thing. VL

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2015-03-01 00:10:47 -0600 Report

I wasn't studying vitamins…I was actually studying arterial health and it was actually for something unrelated to my diabetes…I threw the term "eat like a pig" out there…and then my son and I wanted to know what pigs actually ate…there were links…food sources…flashes of light…and them vitamin K2…I was actually laughing when I found the information…

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