low carb high protein

haoleboy
By haoleboy Latest Reply 2015-03-06 08:33:16 -0600
Started 2015-02-27 19:29:55 -0600

How does protein get converted to glucose and how could that keep your numbers high even though you're eating very low carb?
Good questions … and here's an explanation that I found helpful and does not require a degree in chemistry to understand: http://bit.ly/17yRkIK

Steve


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JoleneAL
JoleneAL 2015-03-06 08:33:16 -0600 Report

I have so much dang fat on me, I doubt my body is even looking at any protein I consume to convert. :O

deni46
deni46 2015-03-02 11:41:15 -0600 Report

I am trying the low carb high fat diet LCHF. It does talk about eating to much protein and it's very important to get fat into the diet. I'm just rambling again

haoleboy
haoleboy 2015-03-02 12:28:09 -0600 Report

if you go very low carb it is important to get plenty of fat and to make sure you are getting enough sodium (salt)

Steve

Nick1962
Nick1962 2015-03-01 14:49:57 -0600 Report

I’ve been digging into this for a while, and this concept only goes back to about 1997 that I can see. The other school of thought is that your body will only process proteins into glucose if you have no other sources to draw from for energy, like on a subsistence diet. Even then, as the article states, only about 15-25% of that protein gets converted. That number has been pretty consistent in the abstracts I’ve read. The body would draw from fat reserves first, and I think most of us have enough to last a while, which leads me to think for the average Joe or Jeanette, protein to glucose conversion would be negligible if it happened at all.

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2015-03-01 18:19:14 -0600 Report

Not arguing any of this with you…the 15 -25% number is what I recall reading as well…but I can tell you that since I have reduced my protein consumption my morning fasting numbers have gone down so significantly that they are exactly where I want them to be…and if you read any of my post from a couple mos ago you would know I had been freaking out there for a while…my numbers were going into the low 120's ..I tweeted my diet a little but…got them down to about 110 (highest)…now I wake up in the mid 80's…happy happy

Nick1962
Nick1962 2015-03-02 08:18:58 -0600 Report

We’re all so different in how we metabolize stuff, and it changes with age. Current diet plays a role I’d guess, and I’m sure being male or female might play a part as well. Kind of why I don’t like these types of studies, they’re just not broken down enough, and they’re made to sound like it applies to everyone. I wake up in the mid 80’s as well, protein has never raised my number that I could see. Based on how long the liver stores various things, I’m not sure just how they can tell what glucose comes from what food when it goes into the bloodstream.

haoleboy
haoleboy 2015-03-01 16:28:44 -0600 Report

Not sure that these are two exclusionary schools of thought. One being that faced with the lack of glucose (starvation) the body will convert fats and then proteins (amino acids) into fuel is the basis of the ketogenic diet … the other is that in the event of excessive proteins the branched chain amino acids are returned to the liver, converted to pyruvates and then converted to glucose via gluconeogenesis. Not saying this is common but could happen in cases of very high protein consumption. I know several people that had this issue when they went on "their version" of the Atkins Diet.

Steve

Nick1962
Nick1962 2015-03-01 17:48:33 -0600 Report

I’d agree with them not being exclusionary. I’d never experienced my numbers increasing on my pure protein days, but then I’ve got plenty fat to live off of yet. With an A1c hovering around 5 now, not really going to let this change my diet.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2015-02-28 14:46:11 -0600 Report

This is in part what RosalieM has been saying. I have been working on cutting down on my protein a little and replacing those calories with fat. I hope it works.

haoleboy
haoleboy 2015-02-28 15:36:12 -0600 Report

My biggest challenge has been getting enough protein in my diet; I figure I need about 100 grams per day. That is made a bit more critical as I lift weights every day and for the two years since my stroke I have been working on regaining muscle mass and tone.
With a very limited "food budget", I am forced to try and find cheap but healthy sources of protein … not all that easy.

Steve

RosalieM
RosalieM 2015-03-01 15:30:54 -0600 Report

Steve,
Dry beans are a good source of protein. Garbanzo beans and black beans are around 50 % protein and high in fiber. They don't raise blood sugar a lot.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2015-03-03 09:41:32 -0600 Report

I love beans and lentils, but they just are hard on my levels. I try to eat them weekly, but they "cost" a lot in my meal plans. The fiber should offset them, but I can't seem to make that connection with my levels.

suecsdy
suecsdy 2015-02-28 08:11:33 -0600 Report

I am not scientific minded enough. My eyes glazed over and my head started to hurt. I like meat …and carbs.

Pegsy
Pegsy 2015-02-28 07:49:08 -0600 Report

I know for quite a while I was consuming way too much protein. I have greatly reduced that and I have seen my A1c come down some. I could easily be a total carnivore if I allowed myself. Don't get me wrong, I love my veggies and fruits. I just love meats more.

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2015-02-27 19:45:43 -0600 Report

I really should of stopped reading when the article was finished…next time I will try not to read the comments…sigh…thanks for the link..

jayabee52
jayabee52 2015-02-28 05:35:49 -0600 Report

Howdy Jib Jab
I see what you mean about those comments. I often read the comments on many other articles too. I've "wasted" a lot of time doing that. LoL!

James

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