Lowering A1 c to below 6 with drugs and insulin and no diet. Is it safe?

By RosalieM Latest Reply 2015-02-28 18:03:10 -0600
Started 2015-02-27 10:37:37 -0600

This was the subject of the accord trials that failed. It is my suggestion, so far that it is not safe.
I believe there is a cover up by The American Diabetes Association. Achieving an A1c of under six with the use of drugs and insulin and no diet instructions, resulted in excessive deaths from low blood sugar and heart disease. The diet is crucial and it was totally missing. Now the ADA has set a new standard for A1c of 7. Below 6 is normal for a non diabetic. The ADA still insists diabetics can eat what everyone else eats. They recommend no diet but watch carbohydrate intake. I suspect that the reason they set the A1c at 7 is because it can be more easily achieved with less of their killer drugs. With lifestyle, and very low carbohydrate intake, an A1c of 7 can be safe, It has worked for me for over 20 years. But I take no drugs and have not for years. If I get new information, I will alter this stance to fit new facts. Question everything!

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GabbyPA 2015-02-27 14:16:00 -0600 Report

I cannot achieve anything below 7 without drugs. Unfortunately for now. Maybe as I get closer to goal weight, but my numbers have always been crazy even with drugs and low carb intake. Right now is the best I have ever done and I am still between 130 and 190 with occasional lows. At least I don't see 300's any more, but I don't see the 70's or 80's either. I am working hard to get there, but even with everything I do, its always a huge fight.

RosalieM 2015-02-28 12:01:56 -0600 Report

Hi Gabby,
I have been where you are, I am confident that you will get where you want to be too, to because you are open minded and willing to think for your self.. Getting the extra weight off, I found to be key. Metformin does not cause weight gain, but every other diabetes drug I know of does cause weight gain. This was my problem too. I had lost all the weight and when my blood sugar refused to go down enough, I was given weight gaining drugs as metformin didn't work at all for me.
I gained weight and my blood sugar went up more because of the weight gaining drugs. I found out that one can use long acting insulin (one shot per day) to lower blood sugar without drugs. I told my doctor I wanted it. Insulin can cause weight gain too. However, I learned to create my diet to be just what I needed to lose weight and then keep it off. Then the insulin made up the difference for me. When I lost all the weight, my blood sugar was still above normal, even on a low carb diet. My doctor told me that I was no longer insulin resistant (that is important) but I did not make enough insulin any more. some of my beta cells are damaged. I think this damage is a lot more common than the medical profession knows. The weight gaining drugs make it impossible to lose the weight. I hope my experience is helpful to you in some way.

GabbyPA 2015-02-28 14:07:27 -0600 Report

I use long lasting insulin now too. In the beginning I was gaining weight because my body was once again doing what it's supposed to with the extra glucose....store it for later. So since last year, I have been trying to get lower carb and in January I took the bull by the horns and am getting more serious about it. I am eager to see what my next A1c will be.

RosalieM 2015-02-28 16:50:58 -0600 Report

Hi Gabby,
I am eager to see what you next A1c will be as well. I think you will be pleasantly surprised.

jayabee52 2015-02-28 16:30:24 -0600 Report

Howdy JJS
That is really great to hear. Please continue the good work.
God's best to you
James Baker

jayabee52 2015-02-27 11:56:33 -0600 Report

Howdy Rosalie
yes an A1c of 7% can be safe for the intermediate time, however what about for the long haul? ("question everything")

And I question the statement "Below 6 is normal for a non diabetic". That is true as far as it goes, however the normal for a non diabetes person is in the 4% to mid 5% range. That is way below a 6%.

God's best to you

RosalieM 2015-02-28 12:11:19 -0600 Report

Hi James,
I think you are probably right about the 4-mid 5 range, I haven't really checked into that as I have never been below a high six in the 21 years that I have known I was diabetic.. What I suspect (cannot prove) is that nerve damage doesn't necessarily occur at 6 and in my experience not at A1c 7 over the long term under certain conditions. I am very fit and have been most of my diabetic life even at 76 years old. I am going to do more research to see what I might have done that prevented any complications all this time. If you learn anything more I would appreciate hearing it.

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