How to think like Leonardo da Vinci (book I am reading) and diabetics.

By RosalieM Latest Reply 2015-02-27 15:41:50 -0600
Started 2015-02-25 15:25:40 -0600

Leonardo was a genius in solving problems and inventing things. If Leonardo was living today and
was diabetic he would question every diabetes expert in an attempt to solve his diabetic problem. Here is a quote from the book. "Although we all started life with a Da Vinci-insatiable curiosity, most of us learned once we got to school, that answers were more important than questions. …"The thinking skill that is rewarded is figuring out the "right answer", that is the answer held by the person in authority, the teacher. This pattern holds throughout university and post graduate education, especially in a class where the professor wrote the text." My words now
Questioning in school is usually not rewarded. The result is that what ever the professor says is passed on. He may not have been correct, but since questioning is not encouraged and may be punished with a poor grade it is passed on, wrong information is simply passed on. The same holds true for information from experts on which diabetics depend. Most diabetic experts are not
diabetics themselves. They are merely passing information on much of which we diabetics
depend on. As diabetics we become experts on diabetes ourselves from our experience.
Do not be afraid of questioning pronouncements of experts. Ask questions from many different angles, no matter how simple a question may be. Do not let the pronouncement of an expert
intimidate you or keep you from questioning. That is how Leonardo da Vinci would approach it if he were here. He was a genius. There can be a little bit of genius in all of us.

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MarkS 2015-02-27 15:36:17 -0600 Report

I don't know where you went to school, but where I went (16 years of Catholic schools) questioning was not only welcomed but also expected. I heard a Nobel Laureate state that as he was a young boy growing up, everyday after school his dad would not ask him what he learned that day but rather "What questions did you ask today?"

haoleboy 2015-02-25 16:42:29 -0600 Report

As a former professional kite flier, this has always been a favorite …
"For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return."
- Leonardo da Vinci

Question Authority … as a child of the 60's and 70's that was pretty much my mantra growing up … one I have not (nor will not) let go of …
“Think for yourself and question authority.”
―Timothy Leary

Questioning the experts … you mean like the ADA when they say an A1c of 7% is acceptable or that A1c's under 6 cause death?


RosalieM 2015-02-26 17:00:05 -0600 Report

Yes Steve
I do say exactly that. The American Diabetes Association cannot be trusted. I will question everything they say including that. I don't think that A1c under 6 caused the deaths. If it seems that is what I was saying, then I wasn't being clear. In my view the low A1c numbers, below 6
in the accord trials did NOT cause the deaths as you say. I agree with you.
I suspect it was the drugs and excessive insulin that killed them not the low A1c. Some of them died of very low blood sugar because the drugs and insulin couldn't be properly regulated. Some died of heart disease.
They did not address diet at all in these trials at all. Those unsuspecting folks in that trial were not instructed about diet at all. They could eat all the carbohydrate they wanted. Then they were drugged down to a A1c below
6. If you have ever taken fast acting insulin, you know how easily your blood sugar can go very low during the night. The are dancing around the
excessive drug and insulin issue in my estimation. Diabetes drugs have heart warnings on them.

MarkS 2015-02-27 15:41:50 -0600 Report

You need to read the clinical trial report (btw ACCORD = "Action to Control Cardiovascular Risk in Diabetes"). Both study groups received the drugs that you badmouth. They died of cardiovascular events (e.g., stroke, heart attack, etc.). And yes, both groups were instructed on DIET.

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2015-02-25 18:22:26 -0600 Report

My goal is normal…haoleboy…will always be…my original goal was 5.5..pretty sure I am already there..will find out Tuesday…this is on the high end of normal…would love to hit the middle…and frankly I have read all the info…with the exception of one flawed study, which was proven false…ALL of the evidence shows lower A1Cs are better…and I think EVERYONE knows by now I have become an expert at questioning the "authorities"..when it comes to health issues…as for genius…most geniuses are also nuts in one way or another…I prefer to stay informed, intelligent and sane..

RosalieM 2015-02-26 17:35:25 -0600 Report

If I could be as creative as Leonardo da Vinci, I wouldn't care if people thought I was crazy. In fact, I suspect people limit their creative thinking abilities because they fear others will think they
are not normal. They fall in line and question nothing to be accepted by the not so smart. That is so sad.

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2015-02-26 22:28:14 -0600 Report

why in God's name are you still directing any conversation in my direction…and people don't think these people are nuts..THEY ARE nuts…oh God I answered her…make believe I didn't..

RosalieM 2015-02-27 06:59:39 -0600 Report

You responded to my discussion, I can' t resist responding to a response to my own discussion. : ))
I like you because you are intelligent and have a fire in your belly. You make me think! I like to think. That makes me crazy.
You could be more crazy too if you let yourself go! maybe more like Leonardo De vinci. You limit yourself. :))

haoleboy 2015-02-25 18:44:59 -0600 Report

normal … that ship has sailed for me … I have medical proof of brain damage so I always have a ready made excuse. ;)
I have an A1c coming up in May. At that time, if it comes in under 5.7, I will be stopping my metformin (with my doctor's blessing). ultimately I want to be sub 5.0 … not sure I can do that but I sure as hell am going to try.


RosalieM 2015-02-27 07:10:31 -0600 Report

Keep in mind your nutrition. If your diet is too severe you could become deficient. You can take supplements. I have started to do that too but the medical profession seems to know little about nutrition. Any symptoms you may develop because of nutrient shortage, could very well be attributed to your diabetes. It is the cause of just about everything these days. Then there is the aging issue. As e age, we don't absorb nutrients as easily. I have found that out! That is why I started
taking supplements.

RosalieM 2015-02-26 17:19:55 -0600 Report

Hi Steve,
Many diabetics take drugs and as a result have blood sugar in the below 6 range. I know many of them as they come to my classes. I ask them what they are taking. Many of them are taking lots of drugs and sometimes insulin with meals as well. Their hearts are bad, kidney function declining and their feet are numb. But their blood sugar is below 6. High blood sugar does cause the problems you experience. High drugs and good blood sugar seems to result in the same complications as high very high blood sugar. What is
different are the drugs and I suspect the load of carbs these folks eat because they think they are getting away it because their blood sugar is below 6.
This not been addressed in the Accord trials failure cover up.

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