Interesting experience.

RosalieM
By RosalieM Latest Reply 2015-02-24 21:19:04 -0600
Started 2015-02-20 17:58:52 -0600

I am interested in Quantum physics and the mind body connection. I study and fool with meditation.
I had a sore toe, it swelled and was red. I soaked it twice, but it didn't help. Then I decided I would try meditation for healing. (a cd I have) It has you visualize the (in this case sore toe) and the affected body part and visualize it being healed. Guess what, no more sore toe. I have been able to make pain in the shoulder go away. This is the first thing that I could see that went away. How cool is that?
My diabetes never gets worse. It is supposed to be progressive. I wondercould it be?


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GeekonBoard
GeekonBoard 2015-02-22 17:16:30 -0600 Report

The only thing I know about Quantum Physics is that I hear it come up in one of my favorite tv shows : The Big Bang Theory. And, now that I think about it - I believe it is actually "quantum mechanics" that Sheldon is studying. So, I'm two for two. Drat!
But, guided meditation … yes, please.
Let me also write - agree w Staurt1966 in realizing that mediation is a tool & not a cure.
Not ashamed to admit that is goes hand in hand with my weekly therapy session. The newest mediation videos to look up are: Jon Kabat-Zinn. CONFESSION: I cannot listen to this new Kabat-Zinn guy in a lying down position because I get so relaxed I have fallen asleep twice. ;)
Meditation has moved mountains with my anxiety & high blood pressure, but it's coupled with prescribed medicines. I used to have chronic kidney stones & while I feel like practicing meditation might help the excruciating pain (those of you who have had a kidney stones know what I'm talking about) - again, I refer back to Stuart 1966's response.
Would I like to be taking less meds…absolutely, but sometimes people in the plane need a parachute. I truly enjoy reading people's opinions & thoughts on this website.

MarkS
MarkS 2015-02-21 15:13:37 -0600 Report

Do you know that what you are saying is not Quantum Physics; you must have been reading the psycho-bable books written by those yo-yos looking to make a quick buck off of those that are gullible!

RosalieM
RosalieM 2015-02-22 05:11:35 -0600 Report

MARK,
I understand the science of quantum physics. The observation by a human of the tiny particles causes them to collapse into something visible to us. Whatever we were expecting to see is what the particles collapse into'
In other words the human brain has an effect on those particles. Is that not correct? Every thing in the universe including you and I are made up of those same particles of energy.

MarkS
MarkS 2015-02-22 12:42:19 -0600 Report

No, your understanding of quantum physics is not correct. The human brain does not affect particles. If it did, don't you think that all of us would be non-diabetic?

Kabby52
Kabby52 2015-02-22 12:51:57 -0600 Report

You mean you don't believe in a parallel universe? My other me is probably just like me but he doesn't have diabetes.

RosalieM
RosalieM 2015-02-22 17:26:33 -0600 Report

Hi Kabby,
I am aware of the supposed parallel universe, but don't know if it has been proven or is it a theory. What do you think?

Kabby52
Kabby52 2015-02-24 21:16:17 -0600 Report

I saw myself in a parallel universe once. And, I would do everything that I did exactly. But then I realized that I was looking in a mirror.

Kabby52
Kabby52 2015-02-24 21:19:04 -0600 Report

The future states that there is no time other than the collapsation of that sensation of the mirror of the memories in which we are living. Common knowledge, but important nonetheless - Reggie Watts.

Stuart1966
Stuart1966 2015-02-21 14:03:07 -0600 Report

"You cannot pour tea, with a sword !"

Meditation is only a tool, not a cure. I know nothing of physics. We cannot wish or pray away my body's need for artificial insulin. Meditation does not work in that way. But meditation is not meant to be the denial of hard things, it is the awareness and acknowledgement of smaller and smaller uncomfortable grains of truth. A famous meditation teacher is paraphrased saying beginning meditators try to run from things, advanced ones standing still inside.

With definite and consistent practice meditation can reduce my blood pressure, increase my breathing efficiency, reduce, perhaps eliminate suffering such as pain among other things.

Pain is largely a mental perception. Given serious practice, a good habit, the tool of meditation comes with us everyplace. Meaning, as a beginner, I can meditate, given a quiet, dark place to do so. Unless I can use those techniques, the skills learned with me out into the regular world, what good does the ability hold? Naaaah, sorry, can't relax, need a dark quiet room a candle or two, some nice comfy cushions to sit on… somewhere I won't be disturbed so I can do this… a good idea, a bad execution.

Minor pain, an ingrown toenail, a swollen part can certainly be reduced meaningfully. Perhaps eliminated. Direct nerve pain… not as sure. Not the level I can generate the techniques anyway. Ten years, twenty hopefully… not quite yet I fear.

If extremely high sugar, meditation is not the right approach. Insulin and water are the correct tools. Can we meditate and change our breathing having done so, sure. And a good pursuit (eg serious highs alter our breathing as we hit DKA or worse) for many things "D".

Things people do not consciously control, can be harnessed, changed for a short time. Meditation is a fascinating tool, but not remotely the right one if one were bleeding to death. Gotta be careful get the right tools for the right job(s).

Have a specific diabetic thing you'd use the meditation tool on??? There is some work been done. Not nearly enough. Divides mostly along T2 vs. ??? lines unfortunately. Not too much value if, I am one of those ??? groups.

Perhaps Dr. Gary or others will have some meditation techniques directly for the "bits" diabetic perhaps causing us issues? One can hope at least…

RosalieM
RosalieM 2015-02-22 05:23:59 -0600 Report

Hi Stuart,
Thanks for that. I am just a beginner at meditation, not a master by any means. However I have some CD that walk me through meditation for physical and emotional healing. I have reduced or eliminated minor pain in my shoulder and toe so far. I don't attempt to try it on my diabetes yet as I have much to learn before I become good at meditation. I feel it relates to quantum physics. We do have influence over
the particles we are made of, we just don't understand enough to make use of our abilities. At least those are my thoughts so far, as I learn more, the new information will modify what I think.

lilleyheidi
lilleyheidi 2015-02-21 02:26:12 -0600 Report

There are a lot of believers in the mind healing the body. I'll never never to it at all. I'm a firm believer that God heals, but I also believe a lot of the so called "faith healers" are actually people who use some form of mind healings such as meditation and mind over matter forms tto achieve the healings. I know a lot of the dentists in our area use meditation for pain relief as opposed to anesthesia as do child birth instructors. So, a lot to be said for meditation.

RosalieM
RosalieM 2015-02-21 07:34:36 -0600 Report

Hi Liley,
I am familiar with the idea that God heals too. My research into the whole thing seems to indicate that it is the belief that heals.
God doesn't heal everybody who asks? Why not? There has to be another factor. I suspect it is the belief (faith) that is the missing
piece. Even Jesus said "thy faith has healed you" to someone who gave him the credit. Perhaps Jesus was teaching us that we could heal ourselves if we had the information he could provide.. I find this all very interesting and do a lot of research. It might figure into diabetes as
perhaps we could be healthier if we understood how to apply it. Science is starting to figure it out with the discovery of Quantum Physics
Jesus was light years ahead in his understanding of real science. We are only starting to really understand. At least those are my conclusions at this point in my research. As I learn more, I will adjust my conclusions to match new information. Either way, my toe is good
now.

suecsdy
suecsdy 2015-02-20 20:38:48 -0600 Report

Interesting theory. Maybe I could try it for my kidneys. I actually did think about it after seeing the nephrologist, but theidea got lost in all the following events.

RosalieM
RosalieM 2015-02-22 05:32:01 -0600 Report

HiSue,
Give it a try. What have you got to lose. Anything to take you mind off your health challenges should be helpful I think.

Stuart1966
Stuart1966 2015-02-21 14:18:21 -0600 Report

Meditation is not meant to be a "substitute" for medicine though?!? Do both…

Find a serious meditation teacher, see what they have for kidneys. Jon Kabot-Zinn likely has someone with the skill sets, mayo clinic, new england deaconess hospital perhaps?

suecsdy
suecsdy 2015-02-21 15:43:28 -0600 Report

The reason I.m thinking of trying this is that apparently, there is no treatment for my CKD, other than to limit salt and fat and drink lots of liquid. My nephrologist just wants to moniter the situation for now so it can't hurt to meditate and picture my kidneys healthy while I'm at it. It may not help, but then again, maybe it will.

RosalieM
RosalieM 2015-02-22 17:33:58 -0600 Report

Hi Sue,
The method I use is to relax my entire body from the toes to the top of my head. Than visualize your kidney. You can visualize little workmen in the kidney doing repair work. Or what ever you want. This is a meditation for healing the body. You do not need to sit cross legged and say the same word over and over. I do it in my bed with the lights out and the room dark so I don't get distracted.

suecsdy
suecsdy 2015-02-22 18:14:13 -0600 Report

I was thinking to do it at night when I go to bed ..Lights out ,tv off. What I haven't figured out is the visual…Just picturing healthy kidneys with all the blood vessels open and functioning, no cysts or funftion as a filter with the liquid getting gradually more clear, or the little guys from 7Wonders(a game on my Kindle) building me good ones. Maybe I'll try more than one. Any other suggestions?

suecsdy
suecsdy 2015-02-24 11:48:39 -0600 Report

Finally came up with some imaging that I think will work for me. I am replacing all the rusty corroded pipes in my kidneys with shiny new pvc pipes. At least the concept is understandable to me and easy to visualize. I started last night, but kept dozing off. Still, falling asleep with that image is not a bad idea.,

Stuart1966
Stuart1966 2015-02-21 14:17:45 -0600 Report

Meditation is not meant to be a "substitute" for medicine though?!? Do both…

Find a serious meditation teacher, see what they have for kidneys. Jon Kabot-Zinn likely has someone with the skill sets, mayo clinic, new england deaconess hospital perhaps?

Stuart1966
Stuart1966 2015-02-21 14:17:20 -0600 Report

Meditation is not meant to be a "substitute" for medicine though?!? Do both…

Find a serious meditation teacher, see what they have for kidneys. Jon Kabot-Zinn likely has someone with the skill sets, mayo clinic, new england deaconess hospital perhaps?

Stuart1966
Stuart1966 2015-02-21 14:17:10 -0600 Report

Meditation is not meant to be a "substitute" for medicine though?!? Do both…

Find a serious meditation teacher, see what they have for kidneys. Jon Kabot-Zinn likely has someone with the skill sets, mayo clinic, new england deaconess hospital perhaps?

Stuart1966
Stuart1966 2015-02-21 14:17:09 -0600 Report

Meditation is not meant to be a "substitute" for medicine though?!? Do both…

Find a serious meditation teacher, see what they have for kidneys. Jon Kabot-Zinn likely has someone with the skill sets, mayo clinic, new england deaconess hospital perhaps?

Stuart1966
Stuart1966 2015-02-21 14:17:01 -0600 Report

Meditation is not meant to be a "substitute" for medicine though?!? Do both…

Find a serious meditation teacher, see what they have for kidneys. Jon Kabot-Zinn likely has someone with the skill sets, mayo clinic, new england deaconess hospital perhaps?

Stuart1966
Stuart1966 2015-02-21 14:16:52 -0600 Report

Meditation is not meant to be a "substitute" for medicine though?!? Do both…

Find a serious meditation teacher, see what they have for kidneys. Jon Kabot-Zinn likely has someone with the skill sets, mayo clinic, new england deaconess hospital perhaps?