Carbohydraction addiction and the consequences.

By RosalieM Latest Reply 2015-02-22 02:59:09 -0600
Started 2015-02-15 10:00:09 -0600

I recently wrote a discussion on carbohydrate addiction. It was not my opinion but a scientific fact.
We can get addicted to anything even emotions, such as fear, anger, low self esteem, anxiety and more. Sometimes we seek to reinforce the addictions if we don't realize we actually have the ability to break them. In the case of diabetes, not breaking a carbohydrate addiction can result in a slow and painful death. On this board, I see many people reinforcing each others addictions whether they be carbohydrate or emotional addictions. This is called support by those who do the reinforcing.
When a person needs physical support, you give him a pair of crutches so he can get around.
However when the person's physical disability is healed and he refuses to give up the crutches what has happened to him? The answer is, has become addicted to the response of others to the crutches he uses.
My question to all of you on this board is are you turning the temporary support of this board into a crutch for you, for someone else, by how you respond? It is really quite easy to tell by what a person says, if they are gathering information to help themselves so eventually they can help others (and won't need the crutch) or if they are looking for an on ongoing crutch.
As for me, I am old, I have learned a lot of things and made a lot of mistakes. I have much information to share for those who want to save their lives. I do not find it kind or supportive to
help another diabetic risk the complications that lead to an early and painful death. It would be more kind in my view, to take the chance of offending them if it meant helping them save their lives. What do you think?

10 replies

GeekonBoard 2015-02-16 19:08:19 -0600 Report

Let me first write I respect your opinion & enjoy when people post bold honesty. I also agree with Jibber Jabber's reply — I, too, think people have many different ways of not only doing things but how they cope, & approach life. I don't feel it's my place to be judge & jury or claim to be the one to tell them that their diet/exercise/opinions/etc is wrong. I don't necessarily believe that is what you are trying to say, but I also feel strongly that people can interpret statements, actions, words, emotions from one person — in a completely different way from how they intended. It reminds me of that party game where one things is said & then passed around a circle & how it gets back can be completely different from how it began.
I grew up with an older sister who has a completely different outlook & opinion on our childhood & we are on completely opposite sides of the fence on almost everything. She is a much stronger personality than me & what she calls cold honest truth - I sometimes feel is strong arm tactics & feel backed into corners. I never feel like my voice is heard or that a conversation is occurring… she is telling me her opinion & if I don't get on board she ends the conversation. I totally understand what you mean by swinging to the other side of things & being a more toxic supporter…feeding poor behavior. But, I don't feel comfortable telling someone so — maybe gently suggest an alternative but respect the idea that this person might not be in the place to even hear my suggestion. I know that when I feel judged or not heard — I withdraw. Do I believe that's a healthy way to address life - absolutely not. But, it's me. I don't want anyone to be less than truthful with me & hope they feel free to offer up their opinion, but I hope there is some sort of grey area between support & laying down the law. But, again - I'm not saying there is anything wrong with how you do things or that you are wrong. I just am giving my perspective on how some people might take interpret certain delivery methods.

RosalieM 2015-02-17 11:57:31 -0600 Report

Geek on board
Thank you for your response. It is very wise and shows real strength. I am up front and honest, but I would never do to you like your sister
did to you. We can only understand each other if we are willing to continue talking.

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2015-02-16 18:04:55 -0600 Report

I think that people have different ways of doing things…and just because a persons opinion differs from yours doesn't make it wrong…I chose low carb..very low carb…because I believe that the risk of taking additional meds outweighs any pleasure I would get from eating the foods that some people chose to eat…BUT that doesn't mean their diet or lifestyle is wrong…everyone has to approach their treatment on their level…NOT everyone can go low carb…NOT everyone has the financial resources to purchase ingrediants that other people consider "necessary"..,,For some people just not eating sweets might be a first step for them in battleing their diabetes..people ignore their condition a long time…any steps in the right direction should be applauded and not attacked as not enough… if I read that a person is consuming large quantities of gut tells me to say something…BUT my common sense tells me that I have no idea where this person is emotionally in dealing with their diabetes..I believe that positive reinforcement is much more beneficial than pointing out everything that a person is doing "wrong"…just one chicks opinion..

RosalieM 2015-02-17 15:18:02 -0600 Report

Denial of the reality of the disease of diabetes affects most people. The more quickly that denial ends, the better chance they have that they will live a long healthy life. We are all emotional 5 years olds. See my new discussion regarding emotions and 5 year olds. Your gut is very reliable,
it has served you well. The reality of type two diabetes is: if your blood sugar is too high, you eat more carbs than your body can handle. Taking drugs to get it down does not change that as they do not prevent complications. Emotions must not the first consideration. What will the diabetic's emotions be like when told you need your leg amputated to save your life? Why do emotions always trump all other wisdom? Just an old crows opinion.

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2015-02-17 23:35:29 -0600 Report

You forget one thing…the most important thing…diabetics are humans..and humans are flawed..and sometimes weak..and insecure,,.if you don't reach out to people and support them on their terms…terms they are emotionally able to accept..they will regress…this comes from someone who dealt with people with drug addictions…do you know that ALL drug addicts know their addiction is no good for them…all of them know it is killing them..but the only ones that ever recover are the ones that find out from their own experience and reasoning that they need to detox and stay clean…YOU can not make a diabetic preform the way you want them to anymore than you can make a drug addict stop doing drugs…some will find their own way..some will not…but MOST diabetics already know what is good for them and what is bad for them…just like the addict knows the drugs are bad for them…so as far as I am concerned the best thing to do for a diabetic in denial…one not properly caring for to offer positive reinforcement and let the know that WHEN THEY ARE READY…YOU WILL BE THERE FOR THEM TO OFFER ANY ASSISTANCE THEY NEED…and just for the record..I once had a client that weighed over 400 pounds ..had out of control diabetes…I had to send him to the ER at least 2X a week..because while I was supervising medication his blood glucose level would skyrocket over 500…I did my job…I counseled him on the dangers of not caring for his diabetes…I sent him to diabetes education classes…I sent him to nutritionist…he was not a stupid man…he just didn't want to deal…he was spoon fed everything he needed to control his diabetes and still didn't do it…I was his case manager..and I wasn't diabetic at the time..It was my job to micro manage his life..Imade all his doctors appointments..made sure he went to them..escorted him to some of them…went to visit him everytime he was admitted to the hospital..supervised his many medications and his BG testing…I had was my job…but he rebelled ..why..the thought of being treated and spoken to like a child…like someone who didn't know how to take care of himself made him angry…so he didn't do anything he was told to do.I told people to back off…I told them he had to learn for himself…unfortunately because he was a resident of our facility we HAD TO do xyand z to "help him"…I knew the approach was not fact I knew it was hurting…but I was not administration so I could do nothing …again we must reach out to people on their terms or we risk losing them…and as long as they are long as they are on DC…they are reading post and reading answers…gaining knowledge..and hopefully learning and coming to grips with how they must change…scare them off or scold them like children and you risk losing them…then what do they have???

Sopies Grandma
Sopies Grandma 2015-02-15 12:12:24 -0600 Report

I would rather someone be honest with me than to pat me on the back and feel sorry for me. But there are times when I need to cry and complain about stuff. But the fact remains that you can fight what you can see. so knowing the truth about something helps me to win the war. Thanks for your truthfulness and honesty and kindness

RosalieM 2015-02-17 12:21:43 -0600 Report

Sopies Grandma,
It is so true what you said. "You can't fight what you can't see." You got the exact point I was trying to make. In diabetes we often get a late start because we didn't know we had it or how to deal with it, or we chose not to deal with it early on and already have complications.
Time is of the essence. I feel a major responsibility to you all because I have had diabetes for so long. I have a perspective of having tried
just about everything and know the likely result. Because I teach a diabetes and weight loss class, I have the experience of many other diabetics. I studied food since 1973. I lived before processed foods became common. I don't know everything for sure, but I aim to find out before I take my last breath. If I inadvertently hurt someone's feelings in an attempt to save their lives, that is a price I am willing to pay.
Hurt feelings we can get over, amputation and death are pretty permanent.

Cherokeemaiden 2015-02-15 11:07:30 -0600 Report

I agree whole heartedly. It's sometimes called tough love. But if tough love is what it takes to save so. It would be so wrong to know that you could help someone with your knowledge but not share it because you were afraid of offending someone. At least you can say you tried to help, and if they refuse, then it's their own down fall. I for one enjoy all your info. It has been a great help to me. Keep up the good work!

RosalieM 2015-02-17 12:24:42 -0600 Report

Thank you. I wrote another discussion about your comments so everyone sees it. Look for it. You make a very good point.

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