Next experiment..

Jibber Jabber
By Jibber Jabber Latest Reply 2015-02-09 08:43:51 -0600
Started 2015-02-07 08:26:35 -0600

I did a substantial amount of reading last night on the function of the liver in type 2 diabetics…what I learned was that even making a 20% change upwards in the function of the liver decreases the stress on your pancreas Substantially (up to 80%) and the actual work the pancreas has to do (producing insulin bah blah blah)…I am not talking about the traditional way that liver function is measured so it is rather hard to explain…apparently they're are two key nutrients needed to execute my plan..potassium and vitamin C, ( real vitamin C not the ascorbic acid found in most supplements)..very complicated really…BUT my experiment involves eating at least 7 cups of fresh greens a day and taking a good vitamin C supplement…lucky for me I already have the good vitamin C supplements in the house)..The potassium which I will get from spinach, kale, and other high potassium veggies should assist the liver in doing it's job more efficiently…and the vitamin C (again not the crap in your one a days)…should act a healing agent for the arteries, veins and such in the heart…It is my understanding that in the presence of sugar vitamin C does not act the same way..(sugar in the blood always wins)..Apparently vitamin C and NOT cholesterol is what is suppose to fix tears in the body but because the standard diet in America is so high in carbs it has been demoted from this function…Sugar always wins…too much sugar in the blood makes cholesterol take over this function, leading to cholesterol build up…This diet will probably put me at about 50 grams of carbs per day…with about 40 grams coming from my potassium rich veggies..This will probably be a long term experiment lasting several mos, unless for some reason it shoots up my BG levels..which it most likely will not do because of the effects of the large amounts of leafy greens…Yes I know I read too much…and yes I know I am having way too much fun with experimenting (I am suppose to be somber and depressed about being diabetic)…and yes I know I probably didn't explain the experiment as well as it could of been explained…Very Glad at this point I am so low carb already because as I said sugar always wins..and well my sugar for the most part is under control…so this should be a very easy transition…Success shall be measured in improvement in over all health ..BG levels..cholesterol levels…and such…wish me luck because I am going in…


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tabby9146
tabby9146 2015-02-09 08:43:51 -0600 Report

that is very interesting. thanks for the info. something I should try. I always struggle, especially in the winter, to get enough veggies and fruit in a day. usually one piece of fruit a day, and in summer and late spring, it is easier, as there are more variety of good veggies out there.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2015-02-09 08:43:23 -0600 Report

You are a kindred spirit to me. I have posted all kinds of my experiments on here as well and I am always excited to see you doing another one. My biggest issue is that I really didn't give a lot of mine the devotion they required to show if they really work. If I didn't see results in a few weeks, I kind of moved on. I hope you are better at that part than I am and that you can help us find some truly remarkable solutions. I was juicing a lot of the greens and find that an easier way to get more of those nutrients. But like you said, the sugar wins, and I suppose if I combined it with a fruit it would cancel out some of that effectiveness. I am very curious to see how it goes.

handmashed
handmashed 2015-02-09 02:12:21 -0600 Report

HI Jibber Jabber,
I was recently told that Milk Thistle will help cleanse the liver of fat, and that doing so will help it better preform and reverse NASH (non alcoholic fatty liver disease) This is the method recommended by the FDA and is the only treatment known to be effective. I guess the point of this was that people with T2 generally have "metabolic syndrome" and reversal of that is beneficial to reducing the amount of sugar the liver will produce. I didn't quite understand the whole explanation, but was wondering if you had learned anything about this.. or if this is relative to what you learned.
Thanks,
debs

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2015-02-07 17:00:05 -0600 Report

Might not actually get a chance to do this…it has my hubby upset and he ratted me out to my uncle in cali who is a doctor…who has…are your ready for this "forbidden me"…to experiment with my potassium levels…he said it needs to be done under very strict medical supervision..and well now my hubby is even more upset…I don't see the big deal in adding an extra salad to my day and popping a vitamin C supplement…its not like it is a huge deviation from my current diet…but I have to calm down the hubby..frankly I think the hubby and my uncle are in cohoots to get me to stop experimenting so much,,,

Pegsy
Pegsy 2015-02-07 19:38:10 -0600 Report

I'm glad my hubby doesn't interfere. So long as he gets to eat what he wants, he leaves me alone.

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2015-02-07 13:57:08 -0600 Report

Well I will tell you one thing…my tummy sure doesn't like kale in the morning…put some in my shake and I feel like I ate a bag of rocks…sigh…

haoleboy
haoleboy 2015-02-07 11:56:01 -0600 Report

I eat A LOT of spinach and kale (about 2 lbs. a week, but 7 cups a day (4-5 lbs. a week) … that's pretty extreme even for me. 1-2 cups of kale a day would more than meet your vitamin C needs so no need for supplements.
Are you going to be able to stay in ketosis doing this?

by the way … it is much easier to have "way too much fun" and not be "somber and depressed about being diabetic" when you are not yet dealing with the complications of the disease … just saying

good luck with your experiment

namaste
Steve

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2015-02-07 12:36:59 -0600 Report

well 50 grams of carbs is inly slightly over where I am now..if not about where I am now..remember people on atkins count net grams..and I can eat 35 net grams and stay in ketosis…I test several times a week..and I already eat about 4-5 cups a greens a day…so for me it will just be adding one large extra salad…I love my greens…and all the info I read about this said to add a vitamin C supplement…so I shall…and I didn't mean to belittle anyones struggles with diabetes…if I did I am sorry…I just view diabetes as part of who I am..I have two arms two legs and diabetes…so to me their is no point in being somber about my own existence…no matter what state I am in…Life is a gift everyday..

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2015-02-07 13:55:28 -0600 Report

yet another grammar mistake…sorry about the their…yikes…my English Professors must never see my post here or on FB…they would take me into their respective offices and beat me..

haoleboy
haoleboy 2015-02-07 15:16:37 -0600 Report

If we are correcting grammar …
it is 'supposed' and 'could have'
… just in case those professors are looking
;)

haoleboy
haoleboy 2015-02-07 17:00:35 -0600 Report

LOL James … that is true, however JJ started correcting so I was just being helpful … I'm more of the - if you can understand my meaning then close enough - kind of guy. A philosophy that did not endear me to teachers/ professors over the years.

Pegsy
Pegsy 2015-02-07 09:02:26 -0600 Report

I would love to follow your research trail because I know my liver has a lot to do with my condition. It really goes to town at night and I always wake up with high glucose. It comes down quickly after breakfast and I can maintain ideal numbers during the day through diet and exercise but then it does its thing again at night, while I sleep and this is what is not allowing me to get my A1c down as low as I would like. I don't want to take another medication so I am forced to adjust my diet more. I just may decided to try this experiment myself.

RosalieM
RosalieM 2015-02-07 08:36:13 -0600 Report

Jibber Jabber,
Do you have a link, I am very interested in this. I have not read it before.
I thought I missed nothing, but apparently I missed this. Thanks

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2015-02-07 08:28:07 -0600 Report

Damn why do I always make the same mistake when I write…they're are…hello not cool…I need to learn to type slower and proof read my stuff before posting…

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