Carbohydrates Anonymous?

sweetslover
By sweetslover Latest Reply 2015-02-11 20:28:23 -0600
Started 2015-02-04 20:34:28 -0600

Has anyone thought of starting a national support group to help diabetics who are trying to limit their carbs? Seriously, there might be a real need for this. You could have a local mentor to call when you feel the urge to eat that pie (I mean the entire pie). This mentor could also help you when shopping when you are feeling particularly weak. Please believe that I am not making fun of AA or other similar support groups. It's just right now, I really want potato chips—a lot of potato chips—a boat load of potato chips. I wish I could pick up the phone and call someone who would talk me through these cravings.


66 replies

RebDee
RebDee 2015-02-11 12:12:40 -0600 Report

Without having yet another place to go, we could do that right here on DC. Wish we were allowed to write our e-mail addresses or phone numbers here so that our DC Friends could call us if necessary. I tried to send you my number but it was changed to ****. Sorry.

GeekonBoard
GeekonBoard 2015-02-09 19:50:36 -0600 Report

I was just about to suggest Overeater's Anonymous. Their website is:
http://www.oa.org
I am a compulsive overeater & attend this 12 step group. Food is my drug of choice & I have a BIG problem with it. I have a different prospective of this problem being on the other side of a T2 diagnosis, but I'm still smack in the middle of the constant battle to use food as my friend & constant soother — like a pacifier. All my ramblings is what is up with me & what helps me. Seems like this thread got a little heated. I also figure any little help I can get helps me. I go in there with an open mind & take it all with a grain of salt. I will say that if your go to their website — under find a meeting — they have online meetings listed as well as phone meetings. The phone meetings are the best addition ever! There is a phone meeting practically any time you could possibly imagine. It's like a conference call - there is still a leader of the meeting & you can either just listen to people talk & tell their story & struggles with food or you can also talk. There is also great literature in the OA store - although — I would suggest taking the title of the book & hunting it up on amazon (cheaper prices). OA has been great for me - a list of people to call when I'm wanting to mow down a bag of cookies or am passing through the bakery on my way to the fruits & veggies department - if my day has been a stressful one then my urge to grab something not healthy for me is highly likely. But, with outlets like my OA peeps & this website - I have a better chance at succeeding. I respect someone being able able to tap into their self-control & walk away from foods that are more likely to do damage to BG levels, but it's just not something I can do. It's a good thing we are all so different - so we can get many different viewpoints & use them all like tiny pieces of a puzzle to help us make our way. Thanks for sharing you guys & gals!

RebDee
RebDee 2015-02-11 12:16:25 -0600 Report

I am a member of TOPS (TAKE OFF POUNDS SENSIBLY) and get weighed each Friday morning at the meeting. This group is all over the USA. Each meeting, someone is designated to lecture on a subject that relates to health, be it a food, action, or even something funny that we can relate to. I enjoy the meetings.

Sopies Grandma
Sopies Grandma 2015-02-07 14:02:44 -0600 Report

before I started to count carbs I weighted 125 and now I'm 170. I am told that I need to stay on a 1400 calorie diet. for me it's hard to eat that many calories. They also tell me I have to eat 60 carbs each meal. I am at a total loss as to how to balance those 2 things and take off the weight. I guess I will end up being fat and hungry…LOL

RebDee
RebDee 2015-02-11 12:57:03 -0600 Report

I am trying to get down to 125 lbs from 209. I am 5'4" and was considered morbidly obese. Now I am just obese and want to get down to normal. Your doctor must think you are 10 feet tall if he wants you to stay on a 1400 calorie diet and you have gained so much weight. Good luck to you. Ask a lot of questions of your doctor and of this DC group. It is amazing how much I have learned from the friends on DC.

jayabee52
jayabee52 2015-02-09 03:30:11 -0600 Report

Howdy Sopie
I believe that MDs focus too much on calories instead of where I believe the focus should be on Carbs. If you lower the carb count of those 1400 calories, I'd expect that you'd lose weight. Try a nigh protein, low carb meal plan (like mine available on request) and I believe you'll get positive results

God's best to you
James

haoleboy
haoleboy 2015-02-08 14:26:36 -0600 Report

you are gaining weight while maintaining a 1,400 calorie a day diet?
60 carbs per meal 3 times a day is 720 calories (about 50%) of your daily calorie intake from carbs … which seems high to me and not really low carb.

Steve

sweetslover
sweetslover 2015-02-07 17:40:12 -0600 Report

Were you at a good weight for you at 125? I cannot understand why you would need to eat 60 carbs with each meal. Is your BG under control?

Sopies Grandma
Sopies Grandma 2015-02-08 08:30:25 -0600 Report

125 pounds was so small for me, I'm ok with 170 pounds, I feel more healthy, and I don't feel weak like when I was 125. My fear is that I will end up 300 pounds. How do I stop the weight gain. As for eating 60 carbs per meal, that's what they told me to eat.

sweetslover
sweetslover 2015-02-08 13:24:56 -0600 Report

I'm glad you feel better at your new weight. I am a firm believer that you should consider how you feel when you are trying to lose or gain weight.

Sopies Grandma
Sopies Grandma 2015-02-08 08:21:53 -0600 Report

My BG isn't really under control, it can bounce between 42- 200. It was under control before I started taking meds for neuropathy and to being my chorestial. ( I am the worst speller LOL)

handmashed
handmashed 2015-02-06 11:35:35 -0600 Report

Oh… WAIT!
I make a cauliflower cracker… you can put any kind of seasoning in the dough. Often times I use a sf bbq rub or a chedder cheese powder (like for mac and cheese) or even a ranch seasoning. If that doesn't float your boat, how about parsnip chips? Easy Peasy~ You can actually buy them in the chip isle of most health food stores. I make my own tho.. If either sound like they might be worth a try, let me know and I will fill in the details.
Loving carbs is ok.. eating them is quite another. LOL

RebDee
RebDee 2015-02-11 13:00:25 -0600 Report

Can you give us the recipes or have you put them on the Recipe section of DC? I would love these kinds of snacks.

Pegsy
Pegsy 2015-02-06 16:32:28 -0600 Report

Cauliflower chips sound interesting. I make Parmesan cheese chips and kale chips. Great low carb snacks that I pack in my purse when we go to the movies.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2015-02-06 13:58:36 -0600 Report

I would love to have the cauliflower cracker recipe. I have made cauliflower "pop corn" in my dehydrator before. Not bad.

handmashed
handmashed 2015-02-06 16:30:56 -0600 Report

1 Lg head cauliflower, quartered and boiled soft. Ring out as much moisture as possible. (I use a canvas towel for this, just place cauliflower in center, and draw all four corners up.. then twist and continue to wring)
2 eggs
1 cup Romano cheese
1 cup mozzarella cheese, grated

1. combine all ingredients in the food processor until smooth.
2. add YOUR CHOICE of seasonings.
IE~ dehydrated tomato, and simple pizza seasons
powdered cheese, sugar free bbq rub,
(there are likely a hundred more possibilities)
taste as you go… since Romano cheese is high in sodium you want to be careful and add small amounts at a time!!!

3. spread in a very thin layer onto parchment paper (1/8 inch thick) and bake at 375 8-10 mins. Remove from oven, cut with pizza cutter into the size and shapes that you desire.. then flip onto a clean parchment paper. Return to oven, bake 5 mins more. Place in food dehydrator 6-8 hours.
All of my NON Diabetic friends request them!! SUPER with homemade hummus too!!

Gabby
GabbyPA 2015-02-09 09:02:47 -0600 Report

I made a batch this weekend with some Bruchetta Jack (replaced the mozzarella) cheese with tomato and basil in it. I added some garlic and more basil and they came out nice. The are not quite as sturdy and I had hoped, but I really enjoy the flavor.
Here is the nutritional value of the ones I made:
I got about 80 crackers (I think I will make them a little thinner next time)
serving is 15 crackers
180 calories
7g carbs
7 g fat
15g protein

I dehydrated mine for 10 hours and stored them in a zip loc baggie. I will be trying these again.

RebDee
RebDee 2015-02-11 20:28:23 -0600 Report

I have one of those dehydrators. Do you think I could make cauliflower, kale, or any other dried veggie chips?

Gabby
GabbyPA 2015-02-07 12:03:22 -0600 Report

Awesome! I have some cool dips that I like, but get tired of the veggies and would like that extra crisp. This sounds fantastic.Have you tried it with roasted cauliflower? Would that work?

RebDee
RebDee 2015-02-11 13:02:47 -0600 Report

Stonefire Grill just added a roasted cauliflower with onions and garlic to its menu. i LOVE it. YUM.

valentine lady
valentine lady 2015-02-05 20:19:11 -0600 Report

Hi. Sweetslover
Just want to tell you I too am a carbaholic. So I can totally
relate to you. To start a support group, that is great endeavor.
A good idea but a lot of work especially for one who suffers from the problem and is not yet quite clean from the cravings.
I too crave. Chips. Their my favorite snack food. My suggestion is don't even keep them in the house. If explain to
the family I'm site you would get the support you seek. But if you do start s group let me know. I'll join. Hugs, VL

sweetslover
sweetslover 2015-02-05 21:32:25 -0600 Report

I am really good about not buying chips, but unfortunately my husband sometimes brings them into the house. I think I might start calling them dog food.

RosalieM
RosalieM 2015-02-06 06:37:12 -0600 Report

Calling potato chips, dog food is brilliant. Your brain will reject dog food over time. You will not want the potato chips after a while.
Make Hubby keep the chips out of your sight too.

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2015-02-08 22:04:50 -0600 Report

My sister had a snack attack and went out and bought Chips, M&M's, Powdered Donuts and Oreo's. I do not tell her not to buy them nor do I tell her to hide them from me. I simply don't eat the snacks unless I choose to do so.

No where is it written that you can't have chips. However, if I choose to eat those things I make sure I take a walk or do something active.

I do not police what foods people eat. I certainly don't want anyone policing what I eat.

All it takes is good old self control which is a learned behavior. I also don't label food by calling it dog food. These days dog food is just as healthy as human foods. My dog eats grain free, gluten free dog food. All of his snacks are the same and I do not buy any food for him made or processed in China. Calling chips dog food might offend the dogs.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2015-02-05 19:26:54 -0600 Report

Hello...My name is Gabby and I'm a carbaholic. I have been carb reduced for a while now, but I fall off the wagon more than I care to admit. LOL

Ok so what are the 12 steps going to be? Here are the ones from Alcoholics Anonymous that I kind of changed a bit.

  1. We admitted we were powerless over carbohydrates—that our glucose levels had become unmanageable.
  2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to normal glucose readings and A1c's.
  3. Made a decision to turn our cookies and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.
  4. Made a searching and fearless nutritional inventory of our pantries, cabinets and refrigerators.
  5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and our friends on Diabetic Connet the exact nature of our cravings to binge on rice, pasta, cakes and breads.
  6. Were entirely ready to have God remove all these misunderstandings of a healthy diet.
  7. Humbly asked Him to remove our cravings.
  8. Made a list of all sweets and starches we had consumed, and became willing to make amends in our diets to them all.
  9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible whom we may have been snippy to due to our sugar swings.
    1. Continued to revisit our pantry inventory, and when we were letting junk back in, promptly admitted it, removed it and threw it away.
    2. Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge self control and power to carry that out.
    3. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to carbaholics, and to practice these principles in our daily lives.

Ok, I don't know why this is posting weird numbers. It is 12 steps....who knows. It shows as 10,11,12 in my box, but won't post it that way. Go figure. LOL

handmashed
handmashed 2015-02-06 11:29:34 -0600 Report

In closing,

God, Grant me the serenity to accept the things I can not change,
The courage to change the things I can,
And the wisdom to know the difference.

valentine lady
valentine lady 2015-02-05 20:29:10 -0600 Report

Hi Gabby
This is totally awesome. I love how you took the 12 steps
and worked them for all the carbaholics of the world. Love it.
Hugs, VL

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2015-02-05 14:12:58 -0600 Report

I love sweets…always have and always will..which is why I make my low carb puddings and why I enjoy my morning shakes so much ( I make them thick and sweet)…but people who can not control themselves already have OEA to go to…they address these same issues…eating things in excess and eating unhealthy foods…if people need assistance dealing with these issues they should locate their local chapter..

RosalieM
RosalieM 2015-02-05 11:21:44 -0600 Report

OK, I am not hooked on carbohydrates, but why not do your support group
right here? It is a very good idea. My suggestion to you is to change your name from sweetslover to something like Proteinpower. By calling yourself Sweetslover, you are constantly reinforcing the idea in your brain/mind that you are helplessly hooked on sweets (carbohydrates). You are not helplessly hooked on carbohydrates! If you call yourself something like Proteinpower,
that will imprint on your mind and brain too. Protein will not raise your blood sugar. We humans are a bundle of energy, everything is. When you give a message out like Sweetslover, , you will have it reflected back to you and you will be drawn to sweets. Why not be drawn to proteinpower, it doesn't raise your blood sugar very much. It works for me, not only with diet but anger or any kind of emotion. I learned this in my study of Quantum Physics.

sweetslover
sweetslover 2015-02-05 13:21:34 -0600 Report

It makes no difference what I call myself. I will be drawn to sweets, no matter what my name. Most people chose a name that is part of their personality. I like to think that I am sweet as well as a lover of sweets. That does not mean that I will give in to my cravings. My brain is smart enough to tell me they are not good for me. That still does not mean I do not want them. Part of overcoming any "addiction" is admitting that you have a problem. I have a problem with carbohydrates. I admit it.
I have found a tremendous support group here at DC. I feel very blessed that I have found them, but I don't think anyone here would really appreciate a phone call at 3 in the morning when I can't sleep and want to eat something totally bad for me. Again, just because I want something does not mean I will give in to the urge.

RebDee
RebDee 2015-02-11 13:14:48 -0600 Report

You could call me. I am probably up anyway watching some inane tv program and would prefer to help you. Besides helping someone/a friend, would also make me feel better.

RosalieM
RosalieM 2015-02-05 17:19:45 -0600 Report

What ever works for you. My daughter just sent me an email.
Telling me that she tried the higher protein route as I suggested to her. She lost 4 lbs last week. She didn't believe me either, but she does now. I know what I am saying doesn't sound logical, but it works. It is our subconscious (were are not aware of what is in it) that we influence. Our sub conscious determines
our behavior. Most of our subconscious is formed as we grow up. We don't have a clue what is there, but it is responsible for our behavior. All of us. The good news is you can change it. I changed mine.

sweetslover
sweetslover 2015-02-05 21:41:44 -0600 Report

You totally misunderstand me. I do eat a high protein diet. That does not mean that I don't miss my carbs. Please don't judge me and make incorrect assumptions. I have changed my habits, and after over 66 years of unhealthy eating, it wasn't easy. As far as our subconscious goes, yes it can influence our behavior, but does not determine it. I come to DC for advice and support, not to feel lectured or preached to.

RosalieM
RosalieM 2015-02-09 06:20:57 -0600 Report

I am not preaching at you, I am giving you advice from what I have learned.
I like to do research on many subjects. The brain and mind is just one of them.
What you write indicates you are still struggling, otherwise you wouldn't want a
support group. One of my favorite sayings is "The truth will set you free".
I think that is another way of saying the first of the 12 steps. Remember you started this support group thing. Don't
worry I am not offended. I don't get offended by people expressing their honest feeling. That is how to get to really know people .

RosalieM
RosalieM 2015-02-05 11:21:01 -0600 Report

OK, I am not hooked on carbohydrates, but why not do your support group
right here? It is a very good idea. My suggestion to you is to change your name from sweetslover to something like Proteinpower. By calling yourself Sweetslover, you are constantly reinforcing the idea in your brain/mind that you are helplessly hooked on sweets (carbohydrates). You are not helplessly hooked on carbohydrates! If you call yourself something like Proteinpower,
that will imprint on your mind and brain too. Protein will not raise your blood sugar. We humans are a bundle of energy, everything is. When you give a message out like Sweetslover, , you will have it reflected back to you and you will be drawn to sweets. Why not be drawn to proteinpower, it doesn't raise your blood sugar very much. It works for me, not only with diet but anger or any kind of emotion. I learned this in my study of Quantum Physics.

Refined Ruffian
Refined Ruffian 2015-02-05 06:16:53 -0600 Report

Pasta. That's my weakness. It has only been a month since I was diagnosed so I have not yet had a bad episode. But I would love to go to Macaroni Grill and drown in a big bowl of pasta!

Okay, now back to my zip lock bags of perfectly portioned orange slices and nuts…

RebDee
RebDee 2015-02-11 13:17:50 -0600 Report

Dear Refined Ruffian: You said it all in a nutshell (probably from one of the nuts that are in the zip lock bag). LOL

Sopies Grandma
Sopies Grandma 2015-02-08 08:27:27 -0600 Report

my problem is I love FOOD…any kind. LOL We are getting ready to go to BOB Evens to eat this morning. Its going to be so hard to not have bisquits and gravy…I had a salad there once, it was not good at all.

RebDee
RebDee 2015-02-11 13:20:13 -0600 Report

Have a great time at Bob Evans with whomever you dine. Try to pick a nice protein, a veggie or two, and maybe even a fruit. Perhaps you might even have room for a BITE of dessert shared by your friends.

Pegsy
Pegsy 2015-02-06 16:40:59 -0600 Report

I never eat pasta anymore. I miss it sometimes but have learned to appreciate other things that are healthier for me.

sweetslover
sweetslover 2015-02-05 13:28:44 -0600 Report

I love the way you are taking care of yourself by measuring out your snacks and having them ready. That also keeps you from overeating them, too.

sweetslover
sweetslover 2015-02-05 09:32:27 -0600 Report

I love the baked spaghetti from one of our local restaurants. I have found I can get away with eating about 1/3 of the serving and bring the rest home for 2 more meals.

suecsdy
suecsdy 2015-02-05 10:15:22 -0600 Report

I found I can also have pasta once in a while without causing a big spike, but just looking at the carb count on the pkg is enough to put me off. But then I never eat a full serving either.

sweetslover
sweetslover 2015-02-05 13:25:13 -0600 Report

I have really become a label reader. Before I was diagnosed, I didn't care what was in things as long as it tasted good.

RebDee
RebDee 2015-02-11 13:22:18 -0600 Report

Whenever I go out to eat, I get a to-go box at the beginning of my meal, put half in the box and then have the rest. In that way, I don't eat too much and have a meal for the next day.

RebDee
RebDee 2015-02-04 21:36:17 -0600 Report

My phone number is ***-***-****. I would be happy to try to talk you out of eating potato chips (with our without dip).

jayabee52
jayabee52 2015-02-05 15:27:18 -0600 Report

Dee it is not recommended (in fact the Terms of use prohibit the posting of personal information like this on the open discussions or anywhere where the public can get at it.) Sharing it with a friend on private mail is OK.

You could go in and edit out your number. If you get a lot of sales calls in the future, that may be the reason.

RebDee
RebDee 2015-02-11 13:24:06 -0600 Report

I didn't have to edit my phone number, it was **** by DC without my knowledge. So how can we become personal friends with our DC friends if they cannot contact us either by phone or by e-mail? Anyone on Facebook? Perhaps we should start a group there?

lilleyheidi
lilleyheidi 2015-02-05 02:06:06 -0600 Report

If you want my number, private message me and I'll gladly give it and anyone can call me any day except wednesday I'm in school on wednesday all day can't accept calls. I could use that kind of help as well on some days

lorlee
lorlee 2015-02-04 21:02:52 -0600 Report

That's a great idea, even if you just have a "buddy" system, at least you have that one or two people to count on. (Put those chips down and back away slowly…:)

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