Interesting experiment......

Jibber Jabber
By Jibber Jabber Latest Reply 2015-01-30 10:33:24 -0600
Started 2015-01-26 20:27:46 -0600

Well my son and I are home alone and well that can only mean trouble…we are too much alike and love to experiment…so on todays agenda was whole wheat bread…He wanted to see what would happen to me if I ate a sandwich…now mind you I already knew what would happen as sandwiches had been totally chucked out of my diet many weeks ago…but as I said…when my son is home with me it can only lead to trouble…so I sent him to the store to get some quality 100% whole wheat bread…4 grams of fiber per slice 12 grams of carbs per slice…I slathered on the almond butter and went to town…frankly I have never enjoyed an experiment so much in my life…I waited…tested every 15 minutes for two hours…and well nothing significant happened…I went up a total of 23 points…from 106 to 129…what the hell????!!!!!…How is this possible…I had had that same sandwich many times before when I was following ADA guidelines and it threw me up to 180 everytime…opinions please..

31 replies

wildtigger2 2015-01-28 21:30:45 -0600 Report

I fixed pancakes today and had four little ones with turkey sausage. BG went from 82 to 176. had yogurt not syrup. have tested yogurt by itself not spike. so now going to make them without Bisquick from scratch with whole grain flour and see again. I'm on metformin 500 mg er once a day and my BG avg around 100, exercise four times a week and have all ready lost 8 lbs. Eating more salads and cut out a lot of carbs.

RosalieM 2015-01-30 10:33:24 -0600 Report

Wild Tiger,
The whole grain pancakes will raise your blood sugar too. Whole grain flour is made up of bran (fiber) Germ (nutrients) and white flour. It is the white flour that raises blood sugar and there is a lot of White flour in the 100% Whole grain flour.

suecsdy 2015-01-29 10:54:08 -0600 Report

Mmmmmmmmmmmm…Pancakes. I love pancakes and waffles and muffins..pretty much any kind of breakfast bread or pastry. Don't have them anymore. Always felt like that's what mornings were for.

Nikita007 2015-01-28 10:41:37 -0600 Report

Totally agree with StephD143. He's absolutely correct. I've been keeping a journal (from an app) on my iPad. It helps to track what I eat, but also the amount of exercise and water, how I'm feeling that day, etc. I also make notations about information I find on this site, or from the three books I'm reading.

StephD143 2015-01-28 10:06:34 -0600 Report

there are soo many factors involved when it comes to things like this with me. That's why journaling everything you do is sometimes so important. I can eat a plate of pasta one day and get a 220 reading, and then 3 days later eat the same plate and it can go as minimally up as 175 (for me that was pretty good on pasta back in the day.) I never understood, then I started journaling and by doing that I realized that no two day's are exactly alike. The day before I may have gone for a long walk or I might have drank a glass of wine. I may have taken my meds at a slightly different time on the two days I was comparing. That's why it's critical as diabetics to log and journal everything you do for a consistent number of days… so that when you have those REALLY good days you can try and repeat the same actions to keep having those good days. I find that's what has helped me. Hope that helped. Good luck!

wswaby 2015-01-28 09:18:28 -0600 Report

Well I am always baffled by this diabetes and the keeping count of the blood sugar. Here is a crazy story. Two weeks ago I woke up and took my blood sugar it showed up at 136, at 6:30 AM by 8AM I went to my urologist and he tested my urin and said I have no sugar in it and that I might not be diabetic. Mind you I have been borderline Diabetic for almost 3 years now. With AC1 up to 8 in December checkup ( first time that high but around Christmas you indulge in all these taste at work so I am really not shocked at that result). The kicker is this, lastnight about 3 hours after dinner my blood sugar was 106, This morning it was 136. Up 20 points. Is there somebody injecting me with sugar during the night? Not possible. So I decide that instead of checking my blood sugar just in the morning when I wakw up. I will ask my doctor to prescribe a new prescription where I can test it wice a day, the next one is before going to bed.

I just want to make sure I am not damaging any part of my body. But this fasting glucose result always shock me. Can somebody please tell me what it is? And why is my fasting blood sugar is not at it lowest?

GabbyPA 2015-01-27 13:23:45 -0600 Report

Welcome to the inconsistencies of diabetes. This is why when people tell their doctors that they are following the directions and they still get wonky results. So many factors fit into it all. Could it be just a little extra almond butter? Or perhaps the different brand of bread that calculated the information a little differently? Maybe it was the meal you had before or the fasting number you started with? Is it cold, are you hot, did you exercise? So much affects us. We have to keep an open mind and keep experimenting.

Nikita007 2015-01-27 12:13:28 -0600 Report

Hi-I'm newly diagnosed, A1c at 381, but have been reading two very instrumental books on reversing diabetes. I'm not selling or promoting either one, just saying what works for me. If interested, you can email me. Currently, I'm on Metformin and a statin to protect my heart. When my doctor said that this was a life long disease I knew I did not want to go down the slippery slope of eventually having to be on insulin. I've always been a healthy eater, but I was so busy helping my aunt with her health over the past two years, I let myself go. Out went the regular exercise and careful eating. And since I've overcome several adversities in life, I knew I would have to apply the same thinking. My aunt died from a host of illnesses: stroke, diabetes, high blood pressure, etc. She was a life long smoker too. In the end, she just gave up. This was enough motivation for me. Unfortunately, when I went to the doctor because of leg and foot cramps, he put me on B6 and a muscle relaxer! I didn't know it was a symptom of Type 2. I ended up at an ND's office for a second opinion, and after a very extensive blood workup, they were able to find the disease! Because it took two more weeks to disagnose, my eyesight went blurry. Since then, I've been voraciously studying everything on nutrition I can get my hands on. I have adopted a diet based on Dr. Joel Fuhrman's dense nutrient meal plan of G-BOMBS—Greens, Beans, Onions, Mushrooms, Berries and nuts and Seeds. No DIARY, NO pasta, breads, wheat, rye, oat, etc. potatoes, rice. NO vegetable oils, NO aritifical sweetners. Fats come from avocados and nuts. I've also been following DeWayne McCulley's work which you can find on YouTube. And since he is as I am, African American, I've also adopted some of his advice. Both diets are rich in leafy greens and mostly vegetables. It's not so much about counting calories as eating high fibre, low GI vegetables, nuts and seeds and berries. Mr. McCulley advocates more lean protein and super meals with a tablespoon of olive oil. Since adopting these foods, I haven't had ANY sugar spikes or light headedness. I do free weights and kettle bells in addition to aerobics daily, to call up the glycogen in my large muscle groups. I've been losing weight slowly. I can't wait to see my blood test results. Will keep you posted. Oh! By the way, for those of you adopting a no grain, pasta approach, I've found three things that really help ease the restrictions: Mung Bean noodles (you won't miss your pasta!), Ezekiel bread (live sprouted bread that is stored in the freezer), and unsweetened jello (yes there's some artificial sweetner in this, but it's a minor cheat for me). The jello is to help rebuild connective tissue, bones, etc. at the cellular level. I mix in a triple berry blend of blackberries, blueberries and raspberries. You can have strawberries too. I try to only eat Low GI foods that are below 55. Hope this helps.

StephD143 2015-01-28 10:07:12 -0600 Report

A1C 381?

Nikita007 2015-01-28 11:45:07 -0600 Report

That's correct

John Crowley
John Crowley 2015-01-28 14:23:54 -0600 Report

Sorry, A1C is a percentage. Which means it by definition is between 1 and 100. Now there is an Estimated Average Glucose (EAG) that some doctors use to translate an A1C percentage into an average blood glucose level. If that's what you're reporting here, your A1C would be right around 15% with an EAG of 381.

Nikita007 2015-01-28 18:05:09 -0600 Report

Sorry, I'm just getting used to this whole thing. You're right. My A1c was 16%. My doctor kept emphasizing A1c so I thought that was the 381. At any rate, she said it was the highest number she'd ever seen.

John Crowley
John Crowley 2015-01-29 10:23:55 -0600 Report

Thanks for clarifying. And yes, 16% I think is the highest i've ever heard. Congratulations on all the changes you've been able to make.

Nikita007 2015-01-29 10:33:53 -0600 Report

Thanks John. I've dropped 4 pounds in the past two weeks, feel great. I'm reading up on IGF-1: Insulin-like Growth Factor, made in the liver. It's a hormone with a similar structure to insulin. When we're in the womb and during childhood, this hormone helps with development, but when we grow older, it promotes aging. According to the findings, when we limit animal protein, we lower IGF-1 significantly and cholesterol. Key for diabetics. My doctor said I had "homework" when I left her office. I took her and my health very seriously. I think she's going to be shocked when I go for my next appointment. I also would love to wipe the smirk off the pharmacist's face when I said I was striving to get off the meds before the end of the year. Steady on…

RosalieM 2015-01-27 08:13:08 -0600 Report

What was your exercise for the day? That plays into it too. It doesn't matter how long before eating the sandwhich, that you exercised either. Someone ought to tell the ADA this as they don't know. I am like you I like to experiment.
You may have done it with your mind. I have been studying the mind a lot, but haven't tried any experiments yet. You have inspired me. Can we think our way out of blood sugar problems? Maybe.

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2015-01-27 10:54:46 -0600 Report

My exercise routine is exactly the same everyday…as far as my mind..I "already knew it would cause a horrible spike"…and agreed to the experiment only because I would get to have a a almond butter sandwich (grin)…if my mind was powerful enough to bring down my BG levels..I wouldn't bother using it for that…way too self serving when others need more help than I…but interesting hypothesis..

RosalieM 2015-01-27 12:13:18 -0600 Report

I know this may sound weird, but I don't let sounding weird stop me. I learned (Quantum Physics) that time is an illusion. Time comes from us, it is personal to us. However we perceive time is how it is for us. We can slow it down and speed it up. I am hyper so I was always speeding up time. This caused me a lot of stress because I always felt rushed and like I didn't have enough time to accomplish what needed to be done. So I slowed time down(for me) and now I get the same amount done and I have plenty of time to do it and I am not stressed out.. I am reading a book about how to do this. If I can do this with time, maybe you can do it with an almond butter sandwich and blood sugar.
Actually, I slowed time down for me as I had to, I was way to stressed. Then I read the book about how I did it. If I can slow down time, I should be able to work on my pancreas too.
That is a future project. If I figure it out I will let you know.

rhett t
rhett t 2015-01-27 06:19:33 -0600 Report

Oh yes have to just. See how I do on some things I use to dearly love and usually do OK. Have to realize that it's just a test though.

lilleyheidi 2015-01-27 00:10:49 -0600 Report

yup, good to know you can treat yourself on occasion huh? I've even had a kiddie cone ice cream without a spike on occasion since going low carb. Not often but once or twice. Congrats. Heidi

debcox 2015-01-27 01:18:34 -0600 Report

I like the small vanilla cones at McDonald's or Sonic. I treat myself to one once a month if I have logged 200 miles or more on my bike during the month. If I have logged 300 miles or more, I purchase a new book (new to me as I always get them at the local library sales). :-)

lilleyheidi 2015-01-27 03:39:41 -0600 Report

Hi Deb, I'm a total snob when it comes to my ice cream, I've got to have hard serve, and it's got to be the richest, most calorie laden, creamiest, and if I can find it home made ice cream around. Also, I usually get the most chocolate of chocolates.. I used to do McDonalds vanilla cones, but then I decided if I'm going to splurge, I'm going to splurge big time. I only do kiddie cones now, and have it in a dish.
As for the book, I have decided for 2015 that I am buying one new book every other month. I am mainly doing inspirational or self help type books. Something to give me a bit of an uplift. Local libraries are great for getting good books.

sweetslover 2015-01-26 21:31:03 -0600 Report

I have found that I can now occasionally eat something forbidden without totally blowing my BG. I try not to make a habit of it, and I watch other carbs during the day when I have "experimented" a little. The peanut butter probably helped keep your BG down.

haoleboy 2015-01-26 21:15:39 -0600 Report

Improved insulin sensitivity

haoleboy 2015-01-26 21:22:11 -0600 Report

sorry, to complete the thought … one of the benefits of a ketogenic diet (per your earlier discussion) is that improves your sensitivity to the insulin your body produces. over time I have noticed that items that used to spike me now only cause moderate increases.
… but don't go crazy … stick to your plan, but it is nice to be able to have a treat every now and then and not spike,


Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2015-01-26 21:47:56 -0600 Report

oh good lord yes…if it isn't broke…don't fix it…but it is nice to know that I can occasionally have a cheat day (wink)..and I did go way back down to 105 three hours after I I am happy happy…

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