Blood sugar and the liver

RosalieM
By RosalieM Latest Reply 2015-01-25 06:19:45 -0600
Started 2015-01-23 12:23:15 -0600

Should we only be concerned about how high our blood sugar is or should we be concerned about how much sugar we store in our livers? I have been experimenting with the cheese cake and Sues Apple Cake recipe. Day before yesterday when I ate two pieces of cheese cake and two pieces of apple cake (I made it twice) normally a lot, if it wouldn't have the Hi maize 260 and Splenda in it. The following day my fasting blood sugar was only 69. I had eaten so much of the Hi maize that I couldn't eat breakfast as it makes you so feel full for a long time. My fasting blood sugar is 69 and I go to a 2 hour meeting without breakfast. Meeting is over and I am slightly light headed from low blood sugar. I stopped at the credit union on my way to do my weights at the YMCA and they had candy bars. So I bought one and ate it to carry me through weight exercise.
Blood sugar went up, no surprise, the rest of the day I ate very low carb however the next morning my blood sugar is 139. It is almost 24 hours later. Here is what I think happened. When I don't vary from my very low carb diet, I don't load my liver with glucose to come out and bite me the next morning. The sugar in the candy bar was more than I needed for the weight exercise so it loaded my liver. Even though my blood sugar eventually went down during the day of eating the candy bar, the excess blood sugar was waiting in my liver and came out during the night.
This has happened before, it is not the first time. My conclusion is getting blood sugar down with drugs or insulin from a diet too high in carbohydrates loads the liver to come out at another time.
Low carbs, low fasting blood sugar. What do you all think and experience?


30 replies

Gabby
GabbyPA 2015-01-23 22:29:25 -0600 Report

I have not read any research on that thought, but it sounds like it could be true. I know that often, if my day is too carb heavy, I will rise more overnight then on a day that I am lower carb in my food choices. I am going to see if there is a pattern at the end of the month that I can see based on my food journal.

RosalieM
RosalieM 2015-01-24 06:06:13 -0600 Report

HI Gabby,
Please report to us what you find in your journal. How active you are seems to play a roll as well. Same diet, but more or less activity from the day before seems affect blood sugar in the morning. I have had this happen more than once too. I have not seen research either, and I do a lot or research. We may be the scientists doing the research. A bunch of diabetics like ourselves are most capable of figuring this out together.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2015-01-24 09:38:09 -0600 Report

Yes, if I exercise at night I do better in the morning. I just have not gotten back to doing that. I am pooped by the end of the day. But I know I need to get that going.

I also agree...we can figure a lot of things out because we share what we do and see with our routines. It's amazing what we can find out without any "clinical" trials. LOL

RosalieM
RosalieM 2015-01-24 13:45:13 -0600 Report

Gabby,
Another thing I learned. The ADA doesn't know this. If you exercise early in the day it carries over and works throughout the day. It is easier to exercise before you start your day then when you have worked all day.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2015-01-24 17:59:13 -0600 Report

That is when I do. Before breakfast most days. I do it first so that nothing gets in the way. But evening exercise is good for me too.

NewSong53
NewSong53 2015-01-23 20:47:49 -0600 Report

I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around this . . . maybe I'm too tired. But I'm so glad you shared your experience. I want to research this because it sounds to me like a valid conclusion. (I want to learn more about the Hi maize as well — if it can take your blood sugar down while still eating cheesecake and apple cake, I'm all for it!)

RosalieM
RosalieM 2015-01-24 06:16:47 -0600 Report

I wish you were here, I would give you some cheese cake to experiment with. If you get your hands on some High maize 260, I will give you the recipe. An easier way to test the Hi maize 260 is to go to a Walgreens or a
health food store and buy an "Extend Bar" It has the Hi maize 260 in it. That is how I first found the stuff. If you Google Extend bars nutrition you will get the information about what is in them. I have been experimenting with he Hi maize 260 for 8 years. My cheese cake is my best yet. Second is the chocolate truffles and third chocolate chip cookies.

NewSong53
NewSong53 2015-01-24 07:23:59 -0600 Report

I just found a link for the product you mentioned. Would you mind giving me your opinion about it (price and quality)? Here's the link:

http://www.myworldhut.com/products/Hi%252dMai...

RosalieM
RosalieM 2015-01-24 14:12:27 -0600 Report

New Song
The information is correct form the company Ingredion from which I buy it wholesale. The problem is, they give a price for four ounces of $1.39
plus the shipping. Hi maize 260 is dose dependent.
Four ounces goes nowhere. You will spend way too much on shipping too. I want diabetics to understand this will help them when they learn to use it properly. Learning to use it properly is what I researched and tested because I am diabetic. You won't get the information anywhere else as I have learned it over the past 8 years and I have not made the information available as I cannot afford to have my research stolen.
If you will test it according to my instructions and report on this site, I will send you a pound of Hi maize 260 free of charge including shipping. I will include the cheesecake recipe. Make the cheese cake and report the result of your experiment here. Just send me a private email with your address. This offer is only for NewSong53. I cannot afford to send it to more people. If you like what she says you can buy the Hi miaze 260 from anyone who sells it.

RosalieM
RosalieM 2015-01-24 18:54:16 -0600 Report

New Song
I will send it out tomorrow. Can't wait for you to try the cheese cake. You will be so surprised.

NewSong53
NewSong53 2015-01-24 07:15:54 -0600 Report

I wish I was there too! Would love to experiment with that. And thank you for sharing the information about the Extend bars. I plan to buy some to have for dinner. I tend to each too much (for a diabetic) at night. Something like this might make my morning BG reading improve.

melodynelson11@yahoo.com
melodynelson11@yahoo.com 2015-01-23 18:39:49 -0600 Report

Wow that's interesting.i learned something new today,.liver and your blood sugar. Gives you something to think about. I can relate, I don't eat much carb at times my sugar still goes up. nice tip

RebDee
RebDee 2015-01-23 18:26:36 -0600 Report

I had no idea that the liver stored blood sugar/carbohydrates. I never knew what caused a high sometimes 2 days after my "splurge",. Thanks for the info. My husband died from cancer of the liver which spread to his bones, then lungs, then brain, He too had diabetes although not as bad as I did (he only took one metformin per day while I was on an insulin pump). I would like to learn more about this phenomenon.

RosalieM
RosalieM 2015-01-24 06:25:43 -0600 Report

Hi Rebee,
I suspect your splurge did it. Your liver must have been loaded. When you don't eat, your liver puts off the stored glucose. If you have a very low carb diet, your liver will still put out glucose (as it needs to) as the liver can make it from fat. But It won't be too much. You blood sugar may be fine but what is lurking in your liver to come out at night may be affecting your A1c. Let us know your experience in the future.

Pegsy
Pegsy 2015-01-23 15:57:37 -0600 Report

Yes, the liver does store it for future need. This is why I eat a controlled amount of carbohydrate every 4 hours during the day. If I don't, my liver will dump more glucose into my system than I would normally consume at one meal. By carefully controlling the timing and amount of carbohydrate that I consume, I prevent my liver from doing that.

haoleboy
haoleboy 2015-01-23 13:10:48 -0600 Report

One of the reasons I do 16:8 fasting with one 24 hour fast per week is that when in a fasted state the body empties the liver of glycogen (stored glucose) and the body looks to fat for fuel … also why I exercise when fasted and not after eating.

Steve

RosalieM
RosalieM 2015-01-23 14:18:08 -0600 Report

What is 16:8 fasting?

haoleboy
haoleboy 2015-01-23 15:55:55 -0600 Report

16:8 fasting is only eating within an eight hour window leaving 16 hours between your last meal of the day and first meal the next.
For me that's 2 meals with total carb intake of no more than 50 for the day (the majority of those carbs coming from fiber) … then one day a week I do a 24 hour fast.
Certainly not for everyone but works well for me.

Steve

haoleboy
haoleboy 2015-01-23 17:07:51 -0600 Report

I make muesli with uncooked rolled oats. oat bran, coconut flakes, flax meal, chia seeds and chopped nuts and mix it with yogurt. I eat that as one meal every day.

RosalieM
RosalieM 2015-01-24 06:29:05 -0600 Report

That is what I use, but I don't use rolled oats, just the oat bran. to many carbs in the oatmeal. Chia seeds are to expensive for me. I always have a 50# bag of flax around so I use them.

RosalieM
RosalieM 2015-01-24 19:41:32 -0600 Report

Oat bran is just the bran of the oat grain without the starch, it is a fiber so it doesn't count as a carb. I use it by the 50 lb bag in almost everything except the cheese cake. Some people cook it like oatmeal. It would be like wheat bran but from the oat grain. The higher the fiber content in the food the lower the carb count.
Steel cut oats is cut instead of rolled. Rolled oats have the starch exposed so it
digest easier than steel cut. The tighter the grain is bound the less it raises blood sugar.

NewSong53
NewSong53 2015-01-25 06:19:45 -0600 Report

Thanks for the info re: oatmeal. I'm going to buy steel cut oats next time and also some oat bran (maybe combine the two). I like to put flax seed in mine but the ground flax would probably be best — I've heard that it helps keep your BG in check.

Pegsy
Pegsy 2015-01-24 19:56:45 -0600 Report

I like the taste of oatmeal but I don't do so well with rolled or steel cut oats. I wonder if I could give oat bran a try for breakfast.

RosalieM
RosalieM 2015-01-24 19:37:58 -0600 Report

Oat bran is just the bran of the oat grain without the starch, it is a fiber so it doesn't count as a carb. I use it by the 50 lb bag in almost everything except the cheese cake. Some people cook it like oatmeal. It would be like wheat bran but from the oat grain. The higher the fiber content in the food the lower the carb count.
Steel cut oats is cut instead of rolled. Rolled oats have the starch exposed so it
digest easier than steel cut. The tighter the grain is bound the less it raises blood sugar.

haoleboy
haoleboy 2015-01-24 11:09:03 -0600 Report

I buy Chia seeds in bulk when they are on sale. Last time I got them for about $4 a pound and, as you know, a little goes a long way. I use oatmeal for taste and to "hold" the muesli together as it were.

Steve