Jibber Jabber
By Jibber Jabber Latest Reply 2015-01-18 15:10:27 -0600
Started 2015-01-15 02:51:38 -0600

I do everything right…my BG levels stay under 125 all day yesterday..and I EAT WELL…I go to bed at 95…and wake up at 2:30 to tinkle…test myself and I am already at 117…there HAS to be a way to beat those numbers back…

33 replies

msann 2015-01-18 15:10:27 -0600 Report

hey jibber jabber calm down check your routine what you eating stop stressing out wish you luck!!

Mallacai 2015-01-17 20:30:50 -0600 Report

Hi, I just joined this community but have you tried exercise? Trust me it works wonders to lower BG levels in tandem with a proper diet.

RosalieM 2015-01-15 11:18:57 -0600 Report

Eat some nuts before you go to bed. Extra glucose is stored in your liver.
It doesn't show up on your meter until your blood sugar gets down so far than you liver will release some of the stored glucose and it shows up on your meter.
If you eat nuts before bed, you will have enough to hold you overnight and your liver will not need to release what it stored. At least that is how it works in my world. The other thing is your exercise level during the day will carry over to
night. Exercise or activity or lack there of during the day will have an effect on your blood sugar during the night.

RebDee 2015-01-15 10:54:21 -0600 Report

You are doing quite well. Dont read into it something that it is not. Your numbers are great. I'm jealous. I need to get my A1c down from 7.2. Keep up the good work. My only wish is that I wish we did not have to take our BS so often as my fingers hurt.

haoleboy 2015-01-15 10:18:26 -0600 Report

My advice … take a deep breath, relax … you are doing great. Your type A personality works against you
A common saying among diabetics is "I control my diabetes, it doesn't control me" … really? If I were in control my A1c would be 4.5. You don't control diabetes, you manage it. Big difference. You just need to develop an effective management style and in my experience (both in diabetes and business) 'micro-managing' does not work in the long run.


Pegsy 2015-01-15 13:08:14 -0600 Report

I can vouch for this from first hand experience. When I worry about it too much my glucose is much higher and difficult to control no matter what I do. Hard for my type A personality but my keyword these days has become "RELAX". If I had your bedtime and middle of the night numbers, I would be ecstatic!

GabbyPA 2015-01-15 09:57:20 -0600 Report

How much more back do you want to get? Those numbers are great!

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Jibber Jabber 2015-01-15 12:50:20 -0600 Report

I would just like to get my fasting numbers closer to 100…but I need to relax a bit I know…Haoleboy is correct..that doesn't mean I am going to stop trying to get them down..just means I am going to try to NOT let them bother me as much..

haoleboy 2015-01-15 13:59:23 -0600 Report

by no means should you lower or abandon your goal of an optimal BGL … I'd argue that no one works harder at it than I do.
I do everything I can everyday to improve my health … diet, exercise, meditation … but have learned that I do so much better if I manage it with more perspective than this moments reading.
btw … not that you asked, but … your morning "high" has nothing to do with "dawn phenomenon" (IMO).


haoleboy 2015-01-15 15:56:35 -0600 Report

It could certainly be hormones … or stress … or the weather … or maybe just because you are diabetic ;)
Well controlled type 2's seem to be quick to point to "dawn phenomenon" as the cause for slight elevations in morning BGL's … An average of 120 would be an A1c of 5.6 or 5.8 but we want to hit the panic button when we see numbers that would give us pretty darned good A1c's … IMO if you start seeing 140's or better on a regular basis then you need to explore taking action.
(I am currently getting consistent 85 - 95 morning readings, which is normal for me, but 2 weeks ago I was seeing 115's … I had changed absolutely nothing)
Don't ignore it, just keep an eye on it but stop micro-managing ;)

just in case I need to this point out … I really have no idea what I am talking about and this just my opinion based on 7 1/2 years of trial and error (and a little success)


MaryYouBetcha 2015-01-15 16:59:32 -0600 Report

The dawn phenomenon is caused by hormones. Just saying… :) Take a look at the link I posted in my response below. It's from the American Diabetes Association.

haoleboy 2015-01-15 22:23:04 -0600 Report

Dawn Phenomenon is "hyperglycemia upon rising" … hyperglycemia is commonly defined as "blood glucose level over 126 mg/dL"
in my understanding that means BGL's in the low 120's is NOT Dawn Phenomenon … what am I missing?


MaryYouBetcha 2015-01-17 12:40:21 -0600 Report

My endocrinologist explained it as when your fasting BG during the night is higher than when you last tested even though you haven't eaten anything. For instance, mine can be 140 after supper, 110 at bedtime, 90 at 3:00 am, and 120-130 or higher in the morning. I was told to look at the 3:00 am reading and as long as it dropped from the time I ate to 3:00 am, it didn't really matter what the waking BG was. In this case I think hyperglycemia is a relative term. For instance, my boss is T2 and his A1C is 5.5. He is extremely well controlled with diet, exercise and a very small dose of metformin. His morning fasting BG is almost always between 120-130 no matter what his nighttime is. His doctor also confirmed that this is the dawn phenomenon or liver dumps or whatever (although there are slight differences in mechanics between all of these overnight BG increases). For him, 120-130 IS hyperglycemia.

GabbyPA 2015-01-15 13:45:16 -0600 Report

Never stop shooting for your goals for sure. He is right though. Sometimes we can be our own worst enemy when it comes to things.

I look at it this way. Like weighing yourself several times a day. You body does all kinds of things for reasons we may never know. It would drive me crazy to do that, so I try not to let my glucose numbers do that to me either. Not always easy, but I try.

You will do fine and keep working at it. You inspire all of us to do better.

MarkS 2015-01-15 07:21:39 -0600 Report

I feel your pain! Must be something in the air. I went to bed with a blood glucose of 78, woke up at 4 AM due to an alarm (I wear a CGM) and was 218. So, in my half-awake state I dose 3 units, knowing that I would be up at 6 AM. Well, at 6 AM my blood glucose was 285. In the past I have discussed this rise in night-time blood glucose with my diabetologist, which has no pattern and no discernible cause. His response: Welcome to the world of Type 1 diabetes.

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Jibber Jabber 2015-01-15 07:32:31 -0600 Report

oh sweetie from 78 to 285…now I feel stupid for complaining about my 117…sad face…well I had a palm full of almonds before going back to bed and woke up at 7:30 at 105..managed to "beat the numbers back a little"…

RosalieM 2015-01-15 11:24:46 -0600 Report

Ignore my comment you already had nuts. I need to look at all the comments before adding mine. Sorry, that is a bad habit I have.

RosalieM 2015-01-15 11:24:35 -0600 Report

Ignore my comment you already had nuts. I need to look at all the comments before adding mine. Sorry, that is a bad habit I have.

GabbyPA 2015-01-15 09:58:59 -0600 Report

I am like Mark. I go up an average of 60-100 points over night. No matter where I start. It is frustrating. I have tried everything. Snacks before bed, eating low carb, exercising before body just works this way.

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Jibber Jabber 2015-01-15 10:11:34 -0600 Report

Reading your comment and Mark S's makes me RETHINK the seriousness of my problem…puts things into perspective..I guess I need to work on being less of a control freak…God only knows how I manage NOT to have high blood pressure…( my hubby says it is because I vent a lot and get everything off my chest)..

GabbyPA 2015-01-15 10:23:17 -0600 Report

Control freaks UNITE! I am one too, but I have had to kind of let this one go.

Never shared to make you feel that your problem is not serious. But the stress of worry for numbers that are still good is not worth the rise they might bring about.

It just shows once again how different we are in the treatment of our diabetes. It is one of most UN-one size fits all diseases.

MarkS 2015-01-15 08:04:31 -0600 Report

While its frustrating, I just deal with it and don't let it ruin the rest of my day. Just hit "bolus" on my pump and go from there!

jayabee52 2015-01-15 05:19:30 -0600 Report

Howdy Jib Jab
What my Dr told me when I was having liver dumps is if I went to bed with a BG level of under 130 mg/dl that I was to eat a snack of graham cracker slathered with peanut butter. The peanut butter digests slowly since it is a protein and that digestion through most of the night kept the BG level up so there was no liver dump. I followed his suggestion and had no more trouble with liver dumps

I pray this helps you also


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Jibber Jabber 2015-01-15 07:38:35 -0600 Report

I am going to try this but with a palm full of nuts..wont eat the grahm crackers because just waay too many carbs for my diet…(although maybe I can sniff the box and that will help…hee hee)…the nuts I ate before going back to bed last night helped…stopped me from going up anyfurther and leveled me off a little to 105…which BTW is the best AM reading I have had in a long while…yay almonds!!!!

Papaduck7168 2015-01-15 06:01:40 -0600 Report

That's rather interesting. I belong to a T2 support group on facebook, and often the so called liver dump has been discussed, but I never heard there was a way to counter-act it. However I do recall while being in the hospital several times, if my sugar was a good number after dinner, I would be offered the crackers and PB. And I had noticed in the mornings, pre- breakfast, numbers would range 95-105. My average runs from around 94,95 and no higher than 120.

lilleyheidi 2015-01-15 03:14:00 -0600 Report

Keep in mind the dawn phenomenon, a lot of us have a tendency to go up as the clock rounds towards morning, and are a bit higher in the morning. 117 is not bad at all, wait till morning and see where your at. Don't panic yet. I was 130 at 1am, that's high for me, but I figure it is just the dawn stuff, I can't get too panicked. You've been doing fantastic Jibber. Keep up the great work. Heidi

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Jibber Jabber 2015-01-15 07:34:40 -0600 Report

117 was at 2:30 am…I would of probably kept going up till I woke up..which explains why I am waking with BG levels as high as the low 120's this week…which is higher than I have been since I went low carb..

MaryYouBetcha 2015-01-15 12:19:32 -0600 Report

I too have the dawn phenomenon. My endocrinologist said that as long as my BG during the night was within range (and believe me, 117 is within my range), not to worry about the first morning BG. In fact, you might even want to get up at around 3 am and see if maybe your BG has gone down a little from 117 before it goes up especially if you're eating a snack (even almonds affect my BG for a time). I swear that I eat a 2 oz piece of roasted, non-basted, non-flavored white turkey breast and my BG goes up. That's a true story!! I probably could just think about it and my BG would go up. :) (My endo finally told me I had stop being so discouraged by my numbers going up and down because when I get discouraged I don't take care of myself.)