Vegan lifestyle.

Skatinlayton
By Skatinlayton Latest Reply 2015-01-28 05:56:47 -0600
Started 2015-01-06 08:23:35 -0600

Hey everyone I recently became a vegan and my life is really changing. I was a meat eating BBQ loving monster. Still love it all but just don't eat it.
It all began in October 2014 when my Doctor told me I had to lose weight, after weighing in at 301lbs. Well like so many overweight individuals I have tried every diet fad out there. Some of which actually worked. But sticking with them never was something I could harness.
On 10/16/14 I read a book…yes read a book. By Dr. Joel Furhman entitled ' The End of Diabetes The Eat to Live Plan'. He wrote about being able to cut your insulin intake way back if not completely be free of insulin in 6 months to a year. I have been eating this way going oin 3 months and my Meal time insulin has gone from 20 to 9 before each meal. And my long lasting has gone from 50 to 40. I even found a tofu turkey for Thanksgiving. Not bad at all. I eat a lot of kale and other greens. I love cooking up greens now with a little spice or some fresh peppers and onions. Plus there are all kinds of meat substitutes out there. Just have to make sure they are vegan not just vegitarian. I will keep you posted on my progress. By the way I am type 2. The book claims type 1 diabetics will never be completely insulin free but will cut it way back.
Im not here to sell you a book or push my life style on anyone. Just letting you know if you are at witts end with your disease then you may want to give it a try. Good luck to all. Dave


45 replies

Nikita007
Nikita007 2015-01-27 19:51:29 -0600 Report

Good on you! I'm newly diagnosed on Metformin and Dr. Fuhrman's book, The End of Diabetes, is one of the pillars I hold onto. The other one is DeWayne McCulley's Death to Diabetes, which allows for a bit more freedom but accomplishes the same thing. It's Science-based and logical. They explain why a typical ADA meal plan doesn't really work. The best thing is you don't have to worry about the merry go round of counting carbs. As long as you eat the nutrient dense foods and stay away from the dairy, sugar, flour and artificial sweetners, you can feel full. I'm never hungry or experience sugar spikes; and, I know that these foods are the real medicine to reverse and cure Type 2. Unlike Fuhrman, McCulley actually had diabetes and an A1c of 1337 which put him into a diabetic coma. He's been diabetes free for 8 years.

memma
memma 2015-01-10 04:53:19 -0600 Report

Ivery been saying that's my next move to give up meat..Maybe I would do it slowly not completely,like I try 4 days out the week and see how that work.thank you.

Skatinlayton
Skatinlayton 2015-01-10 07:46:17 -0600 Report

memma there are several books out there I can give you a couple titles off the top of my head.1) Eat to live the end of diabetes…by Dr Joel Furhman…2) Dr. Neal Barnards's Program for Reversing Diabetes. If you want to try it, give one of these a read.Good luck. Dave

Skatinlayton
Skatinlayton 2015-01-10 07:45:59 -0600 Report

memma there are several books out there I can give you a couple titles off the top of my head.1) Eat to live the end of diabetes…by Dr Joel Furhman…2) Dr. Neal Barnards's Program for Reversing Diabetes. If you want to try it, give one of these a read.Good luck. Dave

Skatinlayton
Skatinlayton 2015-01-10 07:45:48 -0600 Report

memma there are several books out there I can give you a couple titles off the top of my head.1) Eat to live the end of diabetes…by Dr Joel Furhman…2) Dr. Neal Barnards's Program for Reversing Diabetes. If you want to try it, give one of these a read.Good luck. Dave

Dr Gary
Dr GaryCA 2015-01-09 10:11:50 -0600 Report

Hey skatinlayton, this is really interesting. It seems that diet has become such an important topic over the last few years, what people are eating, what not to eat, what diet to follow. I find that more and more of the conversations I have with friends gradually turn into what everyone is eating. I think it's good that we are all thinking about our food intake. I have two friends who have become vegan and I attended a completely vegan Christmas dinner this year. It was very good. I have found that any diet takes concerted effort to follow, and to make sure you are getting the needed protein, vitamins, etc.

Skatinlayton
Skatinlayton 2015-01-09 12:21:52 -0600 Report

Hey Doc. The holidays were exciting. Most get togethers and dinners were pretty easy. The hostess would put extra veggie dishes out for me. I also would bring something from my vegan rescipes to share with everyone. Everyone seems to be concerned about protein. Is it not true that tofu, nuts and veggies all contain some amount of protein. I also take daily vitamins.
Thanks and any input is welcomed.
Dave

Dr Gary
Dr GaryCA 2015-01-09 21:30:31 -0600 Report

Hey Dave, sounds like a lot of fun and a lot of healthy food. I have to admit I get very concerned about protein, and my friends also reminded me that the dishes they made were more than adequate in protein. I did feel fully energized after we ate.

Skatinlayton
Skatinlayton 2015-01-10 07:54:11 -0600 Report

The protein issue is one I have been asked many times. But I get plenty from kale alone. It combined with the nuts and other green veggies I figure I get plenty in my daily diet.

haoleboy
haoleboy 2015-01-09 12:57:30 -0600 Report

my issue was in finding sources of 'complete' proteins that were low carb. to get complete proteins as a vegetarian you need to combine foods with grains,nots and/or legumes … all of which tend to be a bit" carby", particularly in the amounts needed to hit your daily protein requirements … certainly can be done but too much of a challenge for me (I like tofu but could not eat it every day).

Steve

haoleboy
haoleboy 2015-01-10 11:49:16 -0600 Report

Kale eaters role call:
"Dave"
"Here"

"Steve"
"Here"

"Bueller"

"Bueller"

"Bueller"

I also eat about a pound of spinach a week.

Steve

Skatinlayton
Skatinlayton 2015-01-11 08:16:45 -0600 Report

Stuff is amazing. I have to admit the first time I tried it, I was a little set back I put it in my salad and took a big bite. The eathy green tastes was over powering. Man now I put it in everything. Great in stir fries, peta bread sandwiches and raw in my salad yeah baby. Super food.
Dave

valentine lady
valentine lady 2015-01-08 20:29:23 -0600 Report

Hi Dave,
I'm James'intended and I want to talk to you about your choice of
being vegan. I was vegan for 7 years part for weight loss and part
for good health. I was a Veterinarian Assistant. After you see animals come in all chewed up like hamburger meat you loose your
taste for meat. I lost 50 lbs, stayed sick and ended up with thalasiami anemia. Which i have today. The hospital brought in a Specialist and after many blood tests (sent back east) they came up with the dx. I was told to back to protein. The real deal, meat. I took several blood transfusions. I'm finally healthy but it took a long while.
I ate all the proper foods vegans are suppose to eat, except tofu…yuck pooy, nasty stuff. I'm on Atkins now. Which is low carb,
high protein diet. I eat regular food and have lost 80 lbs in 8 months. I
still have some to go. One book does not tell the whole story. Take a look at Atkins cookbook. It tells your how to work a healthy, diabetic friendly diet. Just think, you and your wife could eat the same. Well closer than you are now. Just a thought. …VL

Dr Gary
Dr GaryCA 2015-01-09 10:03:58 -0600 Report

valentine lady, this is a very interesting perspective. When I was in college, I did the vegetarian thing for over a year and ended up with mononucleosis due to poor nutrition. I take full responsibility for not eating properly. I learned that it is a lot of work to not include any kind of meat in your diet, and that these diets work better for some people than others.

valentine lady
valentine lady 2015-01-10 11:37:39 -0600 Report

Hi Dr,Gary,
Just waned to touch be wth you. Sorry to hear you got sick too. Your so right, vegetarianism isn't for everyone . Especially te vegan style…I had
a couter full of vitamins and minerals. and ate beans of all kinds. At one
Point I thought I'd turn into one. I ate kale, spinach etc. all the foods Iwas suppose to eat and still got sick. It basically wasn't or me.

Dr Gary
Dr GaryCA 2015-01-12 17:08:58 -0600 Report

Very interesting, Valentine lady. Sounds like we had a similar experience. Some of us just may have a more natural ability to be vegetarians than others. But I again have to admit that I wasn't eating well. I was a college kid with a limited budget and very little time, so it was all to easy to eat a macaroni and cheese dinner out of a box. Good going down, but I think that's what did me in. And yes, I remember those beans!

Skatinlayton
Skatinlayton 2015-01-09 08:12:26 -0600 Report

Hey Val, first let me say congratulations on your success on the Atkins plan. I tried it several years ago and was not as successful as you. I like my veggies and it restricted my intake of some of my favorites. Thanks for the advice and I will stay on top of it. Take care and good luck
Dave

valentine lady
valentine lady 2015-01-10 11:48:07 -0600 Report

Hi Dave,
thank you o the congrates, it's not easy at best to loose weight. But once it's off I know that I will never gain it back. I"ll watch myself like a hawk. Hugs, VL

Skatinlayton
Skatinlayton 2015-01-07 10:46:33 -0600 Report

Thanks MrsCDogg. It really has not been that difficult. I have tried many diets and this truthfully seems to be helping.
Dave

Skatinlayton
Skatinlayton 2015-01-07 07:13:22 -0600 Report

Believe me when I say I am not try to push this way of eating on anyone. It is just another in a long line of attempts to get it right. And its working. Dr Furhman writes that the insulin used for treating diabetes is a fierce circle. The insulin causes fat retention which in turn makes us more isulin resistant. So we need more insulin to control or blood sugars. The more insulin the more fat retained and so on. ???? I can only speak for myself and it seemed very true in my case. I went from 280 lbs to 301 in aprox. 4 months. I had not changed my eating habits at all. Granted they were not healthy but non the less, they remained the same. And the pounds packed on. So my Novalog is down for 20 with meal to 9 at meal time. Im happy and feeling good except for the occasional lows. Hopefully I will be able to get to a time when I will be able to use an oral med instead of insulin. And from what I have read this should help eliminate the lows. Thanks to everyone for the replies.
Dave

lilleyheidi
lilleyheidi 2015-01-07 00:47:14 -0600 Report

Congratulations, I salute you. I have a few vegan friends and several vegetarian friends. None have done it for weight loss and several are actually quite heavy, so I wish you a lot of good luck on this venture, please keep me posted on how it goes. How much have you lost so far? I love my veggies, but I know I could not give up my chicken and fish, and two or three times a month beef.
Best of health to you. HUGS, Heidi

jayabee52
jayabee52 2015-01-06 16:18:38 -0600 Report

Howdy Dave
My fiancee. Valenrine Lady. had been Vegan for a while and she was constantly getting sick. On the suggestion from her Dr she dropped her vegan lifestyle. She had been quite fat, and it didn't work well for her weight loss.

Eventually she has adopted an Adkins meal plan and has lost 70 lbs and has been dropping weight steadily.

Like Steve below, I worry about getting the proper amounts of amino acids, or I might have tried it myself.

Just, please don't become one of those self righteous vegans who are doing it to "save" the animals and who look down on us omnivores (usually refer to us as carnivores).

God's best to you and yours
James

Skatinlayton
Skatinlayton 2015-01-07 06:52:17 -0600 Report

James not to worry. I still wear leather shoes and wrap up in my leather jacket on cold days like today. I do the cooking in our house and my wife does not eat vegan so I cook traditional food for her. Not a problem. Good luck to you girl on her Adkins adventure.

haoleboy
haoleboy 2015-01-06 13:25:30 -0600 Report

Good luck with that . I "went" vegetarian for several months but found it really hard to get the proper balance of macro-nutrients … particularly proteins. There are some real health benefits if you can pull it off … just didn't work for me.

Looking forward to following your progress.

namaste
Steve

Skatinlayton
Skatinlayton 2015-01-07 06:55:31 -0600 Report

Hey Steve I do have to suplement some nutrition with vitamins. However most are available in veggies fruits grains and nuts. And for the meat cravings an occasional veggie dog or burger.
Dave

BreC
BreC 2015-01-06 12:50:33 -0600 Report

I don't think I could live a vegan lifestyle. I know it's a learned way but we always have a meat of some kind with our meals. It doesn't seem the meal is complete without it.

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2015-01-06 12:29:20 -0600 Report

God bless you…I could never do it…I have already had to give up so much since becoming diabetic…if someone even joked about taking my bacon or my steak I would probably go postal on them…add to this I try to avoid soy..when I was first diagnosed I went out and bought a bunch of veggie burgers…they taste great..I love them…but silly me I thought they were mostly vegetables..(I should of researched them more and read the ingredient list instead of just the carbs)..but they all had crap loads of soy..needless to say the veggie burgers are still in my freezer..I hate throwing out food..and I am holding on to the delusion that one day someone will come to my house and tell me they will take and eat my veggie burgers..

Skatinlayton
Skatinlayton 2015-01-07 07:01:06 -0600 Report

Hi Jibb. It is easier than I thought. Because being from Kansas City Mo, you have to know how to BBQ and smoke meat like a champion or you are some kind of loser…lol…But so far so good. We will see how I do when the weather warms up and have to do up some ribs for my wife.
Dave

Gabby
GabbyPA 2015-01-06 09:49:01 -0600 Report

I applaud you greatly. I tried vegan and have a hard time saying goodbye to not only meat but to cooked or hot foods. There are just times when I want hot soup or something. Do you find that an issue?

Skatinlayton
Skatinlayton 2015-01-06 10:01:26 -0600 Report

Gabby I am lucky enough to be retired, so I have time to do things like cook soup from scratch.The hardest part is when in a rush. For quick meals I keep vegan burgers and hot dogs on hand. The longer I'm on it the easier it gets.
Dave

Gabby
GabbyPA 2015-01-06 11:15:12 -0600 Report

That is true of most things. Practice makes perfect. I have the family though, and I was kind of alone in it. They tolerate some of my ideas, that was one that didn't go over very well.

In my reading though, true vegan is no food prepared over 150 degrees. It all has to be raw. Is that what you do?

Skatinlayton
Skatinlayton 2015-01-07 06:45:43 -0600 Report

Gabby I cook some of my foods to higher temps. I did not know that. But it makes sence. If you are eating mostly vegis there is no need to over cook. Dont tell …but I wear leather shoes and jacket. Lol

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