Starting a ketogenic diet today...!!!!

Jibber Jabber
By Jibber Jabber Latest Reply 2014-12-22 19:54:16 -0600
Started 2014-12-15 08:18:02 -0600

After doing much research I have decided that a ketogenic diet is the best way to manage my diabetes..I was on one about 10 years ago and managed to loose over 100 pounds in a little over a year..and my numbers (cholesterol and sugar) were great..and most importantly I felt great..I was a different person back then and listened to my doctors every word..and when I went in for my yearly checkup he scared me into going off my diet..he said it wasnt healthy long term..and yes I played the part of the sheep…and did exactly what he told me to do…fast forward ten years and I was diagnosed with diabetes and had regained most of the weight I had lost..A little older..a little wiser..I could kick myself for hanging on my doctors every word..if I had just stayed the course I probably would of never developed diabetes…so this morning I got up..and made myself two eggs fried in butter..three slices of bacon..and an ounce of chedder cheese for breakfast…and washed it down with a cup of coffee with CREAM..OMG I remember that taste from 10 years ago…nothing better…I clocked in this morning at a sexy beautiful 221 pounds…I will keep everyone who wants to see how this works out informed as to my numbers and my weight loss…


34 replies

Charley711
Charley711 2014-12-19 21:15:30 -0600 Report

OK I do not know why this posted so many times. I backed up so … maybe. I also di Atkins to the letter! I even did the tests suggested if when I added back veggies I gained weight back. BINGO I was termed Metabolically resistant. 25 grams of cabs a day or I would gain weight. I was receiving pressure from all around me to "eat" and I was, just not what they wanted me to. PASTA - Italian family. So now 2 almost 2 decades later I am Pre diabetic. My A1C has been streadily climbing and so over the last 6 months have been watching my carbs and exercising a little more. I want to do whatever I can to reverse the results of the last year. Thanks for reading.

Charley711
Charley711 2014-12-19 21:09:42 -0600 Report

Just remember to keep your protein grams in check. .8/pound you weigh if you are active and .46 if light to moderate and .36 if sedentary.

Charley711
Charley711 2014-12-19 21:05:21 -0600 Report

Just remember to keep your protein grams in check. .8/pound you weigh if you are active and .46 if light to moderate and .36 if sedentary.

Charley711
Charley711 2014-12-19 21:02:17 -0600 Report

Just make sure your protein number doesn't go over .8/pound you weigh if very active and .46 light to moderate activity.

luis516
luis516 2014-12-17 23:43:03 -0600 Report

What is a ketogenic diet ?

haoleboy
haoleboy 2014-12-18 00:50:04 -0600 Report

very simply it is a diet that is ultra low in carbs (20 - 50 per day) moderate proteins and high in fats … with so few carbs to convert to glucose the body converts fats into 'ketones' which the body will use as fuel. the state in which the body is being fueled by 'ketones' is called ketosis. Do not confuse this with diabetic keteoacidosis (DKA) … not the same thing.
The diet is commonly used as means of treating epilepsy but has become popular for weight loss. The first phase of the Atkins diet is ketogenic.

Steve

andy1979
andy1979 2014-12-17 09:32:44 -0600 Report

sounds like atkins diet with a different name, i wish you luck, however as someone who has done various diets over years, cabbage soup one included. i would err on side of caution, or just be careful .

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2014-12-19 13:05:46 -0600 Report

I love this diet..was on it 10 years ago and lost over 100 pounds…had excellent cholesterol and no signs of even pre-diabetes…my doctor told me that being on this diet could cause long term health issues..effectively scaring me back into a low fat diet…the pounds crept back on I didn't feel as good and well now I am diabetic…sooooo…and ALL of the research over the past 10 years and proved my doctors assertions that it is an unhealthy lifestyle wrong…although every diet is not for everyone…I have already lost 5 pounds…my 2 hour post breakfast glucose reading was 121…and I get to eat yummy foods..like bacon (nitrate free)..and up to 4 oz of cheese everyday..(behold the power)…and mayo on my tuna and eggs…and REAL fresh whipped cream…so I am happy..

haoleboy
haoleboy 2014-12-17 11:44:27 -0600 Report

it sounds like JJ is on the Atkins diet which, during the induction phase can put you into ketosis. the trick is not to add too many carbs to take you out of ketosis (usually under 50 per day), but it sounds like JJ knows what she is doing.

valentine lady
valentine lady 2014-12-17 05:12:54 -0600 Report

Hi Jib Jab,
3 cheers for you! I'm very proud of you. I've been on a vey similar
meal plan and have lost over 70lbs. thus far in 8 months frankly
I don't care what the Dr. says. Research showed me that I can't have
regular diets that the Dr. reccomends. I can't believe white things added
to my diet could make such a difference, but it does. By white stuff I mean sugar, white flour etc. by leaving this types of foods off, I feel better, look better and am better. So you go girl. Keep us posted on how
it goes. Seasons greetings to you .and your family. Valentine Lady

lilleyheidi
lilleyheidi 2014-12-16 05:42:53 -0600 Report

For the past several months I've been 120 or less grams of carbs daily, and recently (within the past month) changed down to 75 or less grams a day. I'm doing wonderful, I love it. I feel the healthiest I have in a very long time. Wish you all the best.. HUGS, Heidi

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2014-12-16 08:45:46 -0600 Report

Thank you…I feel that many people that call us extreme should really look up all the new research from the past 10 years..and at the very least discuss it with their doctor..very happy you are doing so well..

jayabee52
jayabee52 2014-12-15 09:38:18 -0600 Report

Howdy Jib Jab
You go girl! I have been eating a meal plan which promotes ketogenesis and lost 65 lbs over 5 mo, over 3 yrs ago.

When a Dr gives me nutritional advice I remind myself that the sum total of nutritional coursework when s/he was in Med school was 1 semester. That's not a lot, especially 'cause nutrition is so complex!

Christmas Blessings to you
James

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2014-12-15 10:17:20 -0600 Report

I havent yet told my doctor I am doing ketogenic…I am going to see him on the 30th of this month…and think I will wait till next month to tell him as I am not scheduled for bloodwork this time around..I get a full blood work up every two months…BUT when he saw my cholesterol numbers last time he couldnt believe how improved they were…I told him I eat eggs everyday..he told me to stop..I thought he was going to give birth to a calf right there in the middle of the exam room..this after seeing my numbers…INSANE…I think I would like to bring my sugar levels down to my goal levels before I put him in labor again…hee hee..oh and I am NOT doing this blind..I will test my sugar every two hours..and set my alarm to wake me up for a 3am testing…because my body is different now than it was last time..and I know I have to closely monitor my sugar to see how my body reacts this time around..AND Merry Christmas to you!!!

RosalieM
RosalieM 2014-12-15 12:13:02 -0600 Report

When you talk about cholesterol numbers are you talking about Total cholesterol or cholesterol/DHL ratio?
Total cholesterol is highly genetic, it doesn't matter very much what you eat. It usually stays in the same range. There are some people (not the majority) who have the genetic make up that their cholesterol is very high. I know a couple of people like that. They often have relatives who died in their forties from heart disease. They have to be especially careful. For the rest of us, it is not such a big deal what our total cholesterol is. Our ratio is the most important number. Grandma Rose

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2014-12-16 08:51:28 -0600 Report

My total cholestrol was 220 at diagnosis of diabetes..with a HDL ratio of 6.7…what a sad state..but I know for a fact that last time I did keto it was much better..and even 5 years ago it was much better…I wish I could remember exact numbers..but it is funny how that stuff doesnt stick until we are diagnosed with something…my last bloodwork…everything improved so dramactically that my doctor ordered a retest..lmao…results came back the same…eggs eggs eggs…no low fat crap…will only tell him I went keto after I get my next set of labs back…

RosalieM
RosalieM 2014-12-16 09:45:20 -0600 Report

My total cholesterol ranges from 220 to 250,
it doesn't matter how much meat and fat I eat. My cholesterol/HDL ratio is 2.5 It stays that way. So you and I have the same total cholesterol, 220, by my ratio is 2.5. That is almost 1/3 of your ratio, with the same total cholesterol. See what I mean.
Grandma Rose

jayabee52
jayabee52 2014-12-15 11:03:02 -0600 Report

Jib Jab
Sometimes it seems Drs get caught up in their own little world. One of my Drs, whom I really liked, asked me if I was taking anything for cholesterol as mine was "perfect" according to my latest bloodwork. I told him I have always been like that re cholesterol. Next visit, he decides to write a 'scrip for a statin. When asked why, he said for protection in the future. And I went along with that for a number of years, till I got reading that statins did a number on one's CoQ 10 levels, an enzyme necessary for muscle and heart health. So it was little to no protection but it was actually doing me a bit of harm. I dropped it like a hot rock.

Beca1
Beca1 2014-12-16 11:13:26 -0600 Report

Glad to hear that someone else said No to drugs! My Dr. did the same thing to me! I had a treadmill test a year ago n came out with flying colors yet he wanted to put me on Meformin, Statins, A baby aspirin once a day and cholesterol meds, WoW!, talk about medication overload. The funny part is. i went to see him for B12 shots which he refused to give me but pushed these on me like candy! i told him No, my heart is good n I m Pre diabetic n can change my lifestyle! He was upset! I made a deal with him to get my Calcium levels ex rayed n if I had none he would not put me on any meds now! He said ok I got the test done and it came back Zero! He still fought w me n I said lets see what my heart dr says, she said NO Meds for me, Lifestyle changes better! So the statins n baby aspirin was not necessary At All! As far as the Metformin. i have read two sides to this medication, one said it can help, one said it cant help n one said it can push u into D. So I chose Lifestyle changes. One thing good I m taking my BG levels now n this gives me something I can see to work with. So. i say Good for You for making a great decision!

haoleboy
haoleboy 2014-12-15 10:42:00 -0600 Report

that doctors still hold on to the ancient "superstition" about eggs is way beyond me. My cholesterol numbers and ratios are ideal and I eat at least 1 dozen eggs each week. The nice thing is my doctors response is "you know what are doing and it's working, so keep it up".
Good luck with the ketogenic lifestyle … I know several people (not diabetic, btw) that are serious athletes that have been in ketosis for years.

best wishes for whichever seasonal event(s) you choose to celebrate!
Steve

Type1Lou
Type1Lou 2014-12-15 10:41:05 -0600 Report

If you decide to tell your doctor and he counsels you to "Stop" despite the excellent results, you would not be out of line to ask him specifically why he is giving you that advice. If he bristles at your inquiry, it might be time to change doctors.

Type1Lou
Type1Lou 2014-12-15 08:46:04 -0600 Report

I also discovered that doctors are not all-knowing. Following my doctor's advice in 2010 landed me in the ER with a severe low BG 1500 miles away from home while on vacation in Idaho. When I returned I changed doctors and I believe that is why I am still here today. We need to learn as much as we can and not fear to question our physicians when their advice just doesn't seem/feel right. After reading Dr Richard Bernstein's book "Diabetes Solution" in the early 2000's, I cut way back on the carbs I was eating. My daily limit is 120 grams per day which allows me to maintain my weight between 120-123 lbs and my last HbA1c was 6.9…room for improvement in the A1c but still under 7. Keep us posted on your results!

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2014-12-15 10:08:06 -0600 Report

Oh to be a man…more carbs..generally speaking…I was doing about 120 grams a day for the first two mos after my diagnosis..and couldnt get my fasting sugar down to under 100 or my post meals down to under 140..which is my goal..albeit my situation is different than yours because I am a type 2…but i do believe that most doctors tell us what they need to tell us to protect their own big fat butts…if they suggest something outside the box..and the diet doesnt work for a particular person..they might get sued or bad publicity…so they stick to the ADA status quo..it really is a shame because many people can benefit from alternate diets..I sincerley believe that the ONLY reason diabetes is a "progressive" disease is because doctors only treat the symptoms… high sugar…if a person had an infection the doctor wouldnt just send them home with tylenol.that would only treat the symptom…not the actual infection…but yet that is exactly what they do with diabetes..doctors needs to tell their patients about herbs, supplements, and foods that actually TREAT the diabetes..and not just the sugar..

Beca1
Beca1 2014-12-15 08:34:10 -0600 Report

Ok Ketogenic diet u did not explain that enough so I will have to Goggle it. I did, however, recognize the Atkins approach to weight loss. I did the Atkins for two weeks and lost 28lbs, so I know it works. However, I had No energy not even enough to exercise. I stayed on it for another two weeks, one month total lost a total of 30lbs, as soon as I added a few nuts in, here came the weight and now I weight more than I did before. I know that kind of dieting doesn't feel like you are dieting nor deprived but I have some issues with any diet now. I am sick of all of them. My feelings on this is that we have been duped into believing Lo fat and non fat items are better for us and in truth they are Fake foods. Many cheeses out there are fake, remember when they said eggs were bad for us, and yet the egg is the most perfect food out there perfectly balanced in fats and nutrients not even separating them is healthy for you. Butter, remember when they told us eat margarine not butter, well we all know what that did to us. Remember when we were kids and drank Koolaid more than soda and we were not obese yet koolaid was full of white sugar, now we have sugar substitutes made of chemicals doing us more harm then regular sugar. All these foods have been modified, Frankensteined, what is a body to do with all this Fake Chemical Junk? I say, eat Whole foods, Drink Whole milk if u drink milk, have some real cream in your coffee. But eat in moderation and don't skip meals or don't skip even eating some fruit like a good old red apple. Good luck with your diet and I would ask u to "think" about going back to Whole Food eating along with taking supplements drinking fresh, clear water and getting some good walking in daily along with a healthy bed time and pure sleep. If you do all that there is no way you are gonna NOT be Healthy. xoxo

RosalieM
RosalieM 2014-12-16 10:35:43 -0600 Report

Beca1,
Whole foods are very good. I have never eaten processed foods because they didn't really exist when I was young. I just never started. I notice there is confusion among younger folks who grew up with processed foods about
what whole foods really are. The definition is simply the food is the way it came from the ground or the cow. It can be dried, ground, fermented, smoked and other natural things. Fermenting is the way cheese is made. Fermenting is a very healthy process and actually good for you. Sugar, honey and maple syrup are natural foods but to you they are poison. That includes raw sugar etc. Splenda is sugar that has been fermented and turned into a fiber. It will not hurt you or raise your blood sugar. The whole food even raw sugar is poison to you. Grandma ose

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2014-12-15 09:52:26 -0600 Report

Hi Beca1…why would you assume my diet is not made of whole foods…My bacon is nitrate free..no perservatives..something I could not even find 10 years ago in the supermarket…even during the induction phase of atkins..I can still have an organic green salad with both my lunch and my dinner..and once induction is over I can and am encouraged to add nuts..vegetables like broccoli and cauliflower to my diet…a lunch of protein, a green salad and steamed cauliflower is very healthy and very diabetic friendly.People often hear Atkins and believe we dont eat any carbs at all…we do..in fact the last time I was on Atkins I was able to consume 60 grams of carbs a day and still stay in ketosis…that is alot of carbs when one is not eating any pasta, rice, or bread of any kind..just think about how much kale, spinach, tomatoes, carrots and broccoli a person can eat in one day to add up to 60 grans of carbs…and it atkins we go by effective carbs..meaning I ate 60 grams of carbs AFTER I deducted the fiber…NICE..as for water..I put out 6 bottles for myself every morning..even before I started Atkins..that is the minimum I drink everyday..sometimes I have an extra bottle or two..I walk everyday after dinner for an hour..and I work out with weights 3X a week…and I disagree with you when you say if I do all this there is no way I wont be healthy..Everybody is different..and I was doing everything you listed for the last two months..and my numbers were still slightly high..and more than one recent study has suggested that glucose level above 140 cause organ damage…this is true even though the ADA recommends 2 hour post meal sugar to be under 180…why would I be satisfied with that?? Maybe this diet is not for you, but it has worked for many people..more than 20 studies have concluded that ketogenic diets are not only beneficial to people with type 2 diabetes..but it is actually preferable to the current recommendation..

Beca1
Beca1 2014-12-16 11:00:34 -0600 Report

So sorry u took what I said the wrong way! I was not referring to you but to Me! I really was not sure what a keto diet was? I have tried all kinds of diets n nope they don't work for me! As I said I did lose Nearly 30 lbs in an extremely short time on Atkins, which, I loved! And I did it like you did very healthy, which many others I have seen Do Not! I also used non nitrated bacon, and implemented healthy choices in it. Many others just gobbled down the bacon n eggs n especially cheese and I saw skin breakouts n constipation galore, They were Not doing Atkins correctly, some of the things they were eating was way overboard n pretty bad! My point was, for me, that I m sick of dieting, having D has been liberating for Me, because the meter does not lie and tells me how things are affecting my body! I eat things now in moderation, don't skip meals like I used to, and even have a lil natural fruit, which I could never have before in any diet. So, I hope this clears things up and we can be friends on here because I did not assume anything and there was NO intention to offend u or anyone! Xoxo

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2014-12-19 13:15:44 -0600 Report

Atkins is a keto diet…I am pretty much following his guidelines with a couple of modifications from other keto diets…the key is to keep it REAL..and to make sure you get the vast majority of your carbs from different colored veggies..and I agree 100% about diabetes being liberating…many people do not understand this…but for the past 10 years, since I stopped atkins..I have been controlled..as many people are by the recommendations of well meaning but ignorant doctors..and the supermarket shelves, which for the most part are filled with trash…since I have been diagnosed..I have taken control away from them…and put it back where it belongs…in my hands…and I feel great..I didn't even catch the "atkins flu"…I have felt great these past few days…and my 2 hour post meal glusoce reading after breakfast was 121..

Beca1
Beca1 2014-12-20 02:36:06 -0600 Report

Glad to hear it is going well on your Atkins diet. I know wha you mean about the drs. I was diagnosed with being pre-diabetic years ago and none of them took it seriously so guess what I didn't either. This last dr was the only one who did, he took it serious enough to try to put me on Metformin, Statins and baby aspirins and got me taking checking my BG levels. I refused to take the meds as of yet, but am checking my BG levels, they are still on the lower side but I see this as a God send because Now I can see exactly what foods and liquids are doing to my body, well how my body is reacting to them, and this is very interesting to me. I do need to lose weight and he of course was totally against me going on Atkins diet, I had success before and he said no, I don't know why so many people are against this because if you do it the RIGHT way, and really follow it well with healthy foods you will lose weight. So I am eating Clean now, Whole foods, and getting off low fat stuff and non fat stuff trying to retrain my body from these foods that have been controlled by who knows who. I may go back on Atkins at some point and can tell you now that I am checking my BG levels I would really like to see the affect that diet has on them. So I am interested in your postings to see how everything is going with you on Atkins and how it is affecting your BG levels. I know that losing just 5 to 10% of excess weight really does our body so much more good than we can imagine.