'When' @ a Fine Dining Restaurant, how you eat affordable, proportionately, and nutritous?

Michael V Baker
By Michael V Baker Latest Reply 2014-12-17 18:38:12 -0600
Started 2014-12-09 00:25:37 -0600

Since leaving a LT lavish business lifestyle till now, I found ordering from a Menu in a 'fine dining' eating establishment, the 'Appetizer' menu before the entree's' usually have good choices that are adequate for a meal. When entree's price @$20-$35.00 for one, appetizers usually range $7.00-$12.00. Usually a salad with a hot appetizer contains more protein and carbos than one should eat. And, the hot appetizers can be 'custom' prepared as the entree's. As most know, the Main 'entree' is enough to feed an athelete in calories. Enough for two persons in grams of carbos and proteins.


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RebDee
RebDee 2014-12-16 10:41:49 -0600 Report

I have a friend who was considered obese. So she put herself on a diet. She started with a regular plate, and after a week went to a salad plate, the following week went to a saucer, and this went on each week until she was eating off her daughter's dolly dishes. She is now THIN and looks gorgeous. I am trying that idea for myself along with my NO White diet. It is helpful when your eyes see a full plate even when the plate is smaller than usual as it makes you feel full. Its just a psychological thing. Even though I know the truth, my eyes seem to tell my brain that I am eating enough when the smaller plate is full. Sounds crazy but it works.

Glucerna
Glucerna 2014-12-16 13:57:37 -0600 Report

Great idea to use a smaller plate, although a doll's size plate seems a bit too small. Brian Wansink is a researcher who has done a lot of work on how what we see influences what and how much we eat. His book Mindless Eating has a lot of interesting stories and great ideas. ~Lynn @Glucerna

RebDee
RebDee 2014-12-16 15:55:00 -0600 Report

Lynn: I have a question that is totally off subject. I cannot figure out how to change my profile picture. The one that you are now seeing is from 2010. Do you know how to do it? HELP

Glucerna
Glucerna 2014-12-17 18:38:12 -0600 Report

Go to your profile on the top right hand corner of the webpage. Click on your photo, and you'll see options to load a new photo and then change your current photo. I'm looking forward to seeing the 'new you' :) ~Lynn @Glucerna

Glucerna
Glucerna 2014-12-17 18:37:50 -0600 Report

Go to your profile on the top right hand corner of the webpage. Click on your photo, and you'll see options to load a new photo and then change your current photo. I'm looking forward to seeing the 'new you' :) ~Lynn @Glucerna

Gabby
GabbyPA 2014-12-12 05:44:56 -0600 Report

We often get a box to go. Usually, if the meal is doggie bagable, we do that. But I find if we skip the appetizers that usually tend to be fried or sauced and just stick to a smaller portion of meat and then veggies, we do very well. Like when we go to Outback or something, I order a 6oz steak and steamed veggies. That is good for me.

BreC
BreC 2014-12-09 12:59:49 -0600 Report

Where I live there aren't really any "fine dinning restaurants". We have a Shoney's and a Ponderosa but no places that would require dressing up in our finest to go to. The other places are fast food places. We have never had to pay more than $25 tax and all for 2 people to eat. I would not feel comfortable in a "fine dining restaurant".

Beca1
Beca1 2014-12-10 02:02:15 -0600 Report

Choosing a restaurant to eat doesn't necessarily need to be a fine dining restaurant. As long as it offers healthy foods that you know you can eat without your blood sugars getting out of control and you don't over eat any "healthy" restaurant will do. It sounds like you already do well at restaurants some of us don't and knowing that we have to be careful with some things.

Beca1
Beca1 2014-12-09 12:45:23 -0600 Report

That is not a bad idea! Appetizer plates are smaller and is usually enough to fill your stomach up rather than eating a full entree and watching your blood sugar levels soar because the meal was too large. For those of us who have been trained to eat everything on our plates this is a good thing. No waste with finances or health here. Thanks for this advice I can use it!

Michael V Baker
Michael V Baker 2014-12-09 14:26:39 -0600 Report

Love your point of 'one who eats everything on our plates', as most of us:)

Beca1
Beca1 2014-12-11 16:28:58 -0600 Report

I am not sure most diabetics eat everything on their plates. Many of us have been taught to not waste so we eat it all not because we are full or just gluttons it is psychological and habit. One way to help ourself when eating is to be cognitive, to "think" about what we are doing. Ask yourself the question, is this food going to harm me or help me, concentrate on our stomach, is it getting full. For myself, I like to be a Rebel and say, "heck with the voices of the past telling me what to do", I am done, and just push the plate aside. LOL that works well.

RebDee
RebDee 2014-12-09 13:21:35 -0600 Report

Speaking of being trained to eat everything on my plate, how many of you like me were told to eat everything on your plate because children in Europe (Africa, China, etc) were starving to death. To this day, I still have no idea how my eating would be helpful to those starving children.

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2014-12-10 13:02:38 -0600 Report

The difference is starving children and adults do not waste food. I know a man who was one of those starving kids in Biafra Africa. He said he never remembers not having a swollen stomach as a child from being starved. He said his father worked for years to save enough money to legally come to this country. He worked and saved and became a citizen and got his wife and two sons here. Both son are alive and well. One is a dentist, he works in the Criminal Justice field and has put his wife through medical school. He has a daughter and he vowed she will never ever be as hungry as he was growing up. He told me when his mom and brother got off the plane they were taken immediately to and ER. They were so sick from eating the food on the plane which was the most food they had ever had at one time. I have met his mother and brother and unless he told you his story, you would never know he was one of those starving kids you see in television commercials. This is why during the holiday or when the postal service ask, I always buy a canned goods to be donated. No one should ever be hungry in this country. I was raised the same way but my parents said there are people who have no food to eat and some are right here in our neighborhood. If we did not eat everything on our plate, it was wrapped and kept for our lunch the next day.

Today there are kids in my community who only have two meals and they are given to them at school. I see them going to school in thin coats, no mittens or hats. To that end, I have along with our police officers and two churches are having a coat drive. It is bad enough to be hungry but to be cold and hungry is a bummer.

Beca1
Beca1 2014-12-11 16:38:23 -0600 Report

I grew up poor. I used to eat one meal a day for most of my life, never had energy problems nor fat problems. Then at the age of 13 I moved in with my sister and her husband and immediately got extremely sick, my stomach swelled up and severe cramping. I was not used to having three square meals per day. Well, I eventually got over this and began eating like a normal person, and my heavy duty task master brother in law Made me eat everything on my plate, I hated yams, when he found out he Forced me to eat them till I threw up. He was abusive and a dictator so from age 13 to 18 this went on and on and on. I gained weight but never obese. Because I skipped lunch at school so I had two meals per day at home. Never let him know I didn't like anything again. After moving out and being on my own, I did what I wanted and never got fat. In my 40's I found that His voice sounding in my ears was the reason I was continuing to gain weight to Obesity levels. I learned several years back that Ugly domineering voice was keeping me fat and I stopped it. I still do not like to waste any food but there is a solution, get a take out box before you begin and put half or even 3/4 in that box, u can always go back throughout the day and even the next and finish the food. Here is a tip. Use a smaller plate and eat slow.

Beca1
Beca1 2014-12-16 10:23:22 -0600 Report

Thank you! Yes things have changed extremely, life is good! I m a survivor! Now I need to adjust a few things here n there to get this BG under solid control and move on with other things more positive! I hope we all can get to know each other well n develop some strong bonds here for support and true friendship thats lasts throughout the years!

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2014-12-11 18:03:40 -0600 Report

Beca it saddens me to hear that. I am so glad you made it through and freed your mind from the ugly voice in your head.

I have never known what it is like to be that poor or to go to bed hungry. My parents work and we always had plenty of food. We didn't waste it and my parents never made us eat anything we didn't like.

My life does not revolve around my being diabetic. I do not ask for anything special when I eat out or at someones home. I never take food home from a restaurant. If I am paying $50.00 for dinner I am going to sit there and enjoy every bite. I don't do that often and since this is my special treat, I don't care if I spike for a few hours.

I think people spend way to much time focused on food. It took hard work and determination to get to the point where I can eat what I want with moderation.

This morning we had to vend at a craft fair. By the time we got unloaded and hauled everything to the site, got the tables set up and our merchandise set up, I was beginning to feel low. I walked the equivalent of two blocks to get coffee. I ate my sandwich and I was beginning to feel better. I walked around the fair and sampled a Creme De Mint brownie and a piece of dark chocolate bacon bark. It was like Christmas in my mouth. After we broke down and hauled things back to the truck and got it loaded, I ate two mini donuts. I was fine until I got home to eat real food. My blood sugar never spiked. I have to do the same thing for the next 3 days.

I am so glad that you have come so far. You are truly blessed HUGSSSS to you.

RebDee
RebDee 2014-12-12 03:42:02 -0600 Report

I always carry items in my purse to eat when I feel low. I even carry glucose tablets just in case of lows. As for eating out, I cannot eat more than half of the meal and don't want to stuff myself so I take the rest home for another day's meal. I cannot afford to throw food out and if I like the taste at the restaurant, then I like the taste the next day at home. I feel that it works well for me and the restaurants never mind giving out doggy bags for people.

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2014-12-12 19:07:32 -0600 Report

I almost always have something with me to eat if I am low. However, on Sunday mornings when I get up at 4:30 am to be at the Farmers Market by 6, I usually don't remember the goodie bag until I am at the market. I now put a note on the front door and end up doing a mad dash back to the kitchen to get it.
I have never been in a restaurant that has refused to give a carry out bag. With me, if I am dressed in after 5 attire in an upscale restaurant, I am not walking out with a carry out bag. It doesn't matter if they toss the food, if I take it home I am going to toss it.

If I am in Cracker Barrell, Bob Evans or places like those which I don't even look at as fine dining, I really am not taking the food home. Most of the stuff is canned anyway and it does not taste good warmed over.

What I hate to see is people at a buffet with ziplock baggies piling food on the plate and sneaking it in their purses. I have been in Applebees and watched a family get thrown out because they let their kids play tag. The manager warned them two times and told them one more time and they would have to leave. Before he could go to the bar the kids ran into a waitress and caused her to drop a tray of food. The manager told them they would have to pay for it. The police were called and they ended up paying for that tray of food.
I do what works for me which is something I think everyone should do.

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2014-12-12 19:07:26 -0600 Report

I almost always have something with me to eat if I am low. However, on Sunday mornings when I get up at 4:30 am to be at the Farmers Market by 6, I usually don't remember the goodie bag until I am at the market. I now put a note on the front door and end up doing a mad dash back to the kitchen to get it.
I have never been in a restaurant that has refused to give a carry out bag. With me, if I am dressed in after 5 attire in an upscale restaurant, I am not walking out with a carry out bag. It doesn't matter if they toss the food, if I take it home I am going to toss it.

If I am in Cracker Barrell, Bob Evans or places like those which I don't even look at as fine dining, I really am not taking the food home. Most of the stuff is canned anyway and it does not taste good warmed over.

What I hate to see is people at a buffet with ziplock baggies piling food on the plate and sneaking it in their purses. I have been in Applebees and watched a family get thrown out because they let their kids play tag. The manager warned them two times and told them one more time and they would have to leave. Before he could go to the bar the kids ran into a waitress and caused her to drop a tray of food. The manager told them they would have to pay for it. The police were called and they ended up paying for that tray of food.
I do what works for me which is something I think everyone should do.

Beca1
Beca1 2014-12-09 16:37:17 -0600 Report

I was trained to eat everything on my plate and other people made my plate for me until I was 13. Now at my ageI have a problem with this. In restaurants they give you too much so it is a good idea to ask for that take home box immediately. Put half in there "before" you start eating then eat what is on the plate. Problem solved! The things others can do to us meaning well.

Glucerna
Glucerna 2014-12-09 16:19:19 -0600 Report

I was told the same as you, RebDee. Like you, I've often thought that the hungry children in other parts of the world aren't benefiting from my uneaten food. ~Lynn @Glucerna

RebDee
RebDee 2014-12-09 16:25:07 -0600 Report

But I gained weight. That was one of the problems that I learned about as I got older. I think my parents and grandparents thought that if you were chubby, it was the correct way to be.

Glucerna
Glucerna 2014-12-10 22:03:20 -0600 Report

ou're right that many people who grew up during the Depression felt that a chubby child was healthier. Times have changed, haven't they? ~Lynn @Glucerna

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2014-12-12 19:17:04 -0600 Report

Lynn the difference is that during the Depression, food in some places was not readily available so people ate what was on hand. There were no fast food places and kids back then were far more active than the kids of today. Being Chubby was a sign of wealth and prosperity. The kids back then may or may not have grown up thin.

There is nothing wrong with being chubby not everyone wants to look like the pencil thin actresses in Hollywood.

Even today there are people who live in food deserts and do not have access to fresh foods on a regular basis. With health disparities, not everyone has access to medical care, any number of factors plays a role in health care today just like it did during the Depression Era.

RebDee
RebDee 2014-12-09 09:54:31 -0600 Report

When I go to a fine dining eatery, I either share the entree with a friend or immediately ask for a box to take half home. Sometimes I order from the children's menu (which I can do although I have to say that it is because I am Diabetic). Sometimes, I do order an appetizer as a meal. Since I try not to eat lettuce as it there is no nutritional value and I need as much protein as possibld, salads are not an option for me unless they have a spinach salad with lots of veggies and fruits. BUT, I do try not to go to a place that is as high in price as $20 or more unless I can share in the plate and the price.

sweetslover
sweetslover 2014-12-10 20:18:29 -0600 Report

I do like to eat out at nice restaurants, but I have found that it is difficult to watch the carbs. My favorite restaurant is a Greek/Italian place. I have trained myself not to touch the bread and eat a small portion of my meal. I take home the rest and get 2 more meals from it. That way I still get a chance to eat one of my favorite dishes—3 days in a row. :)

Beca1
Beca1 2014-12-09 16:45:43 -0600 Report

This is a good idea to get the take home box right at the beginning. I am definitely going to do that from now on. I think cutting down on food portions is one of the Best ways to lose excess weight. At the age of 58 diets do not work for me unless I cut something completely out which is Not healthy for anyone.

Michael V Baker
Michael V Baker 2014-12-09 16:51:26 -0600 Report

Most people, as overweigth, eat too much relative to the bodys needs. What tastes good to most is predominately what matters vs. how much and the known nutrional values of foods. This country is way way too overweight via eating way much processed foods. Surprised more nutrianalists aren't chiming in

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2014-12-10 12:51:32 -0600 Report

In my opinion, people eat what they choose to eat. By now people know that eating a lot of unhealthy foods will cause obesity and other problems. No one can force anyone to make healthier food choices.

One of our County Executives banned the sale of soda in County Buildings and at County events. The newly elected County Executive repealed the ban. He said county employees brought their soda's with them and people had the right to decide at county fair grounds or other events to choose what they wanted to eat or drink.

The health nuts are upset but the general public is glad to have the government out of their right to eat and drink what they want.

I don't think anyone can say what someone else's body needs. Being overweight is not singularly caused by over eating. I have seen gain weight from medication, metabolism and thyroid problems. I think the focus should be on education and not banning food items. There are people who eat at fast foods every day just as there are people who rarely eat at them or drink sugary beverages.

sweetslover
sweetslover 2014-12-11 14:14:50 -0600 Report

I love what you said and how you said it. I believe education is the key to helping people eat in a healthy manner. I consider myself a reasonably intelligent, educated person, yet it took a diagnosis of diabetes to really wake me up and to educate myself on what I need to do for the rest of my life.

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2014-12-11 18:06:13 -0600 Report

Sweets, my diagnosis was the beginning of a new lifestyle. It has not slowed me down at all. I educated myself. I learned what I can and cannot eat. The hardest is doing it with food allergies.

Life is meant to be lived and I am living it and having a good time doing it.

sweetslover
sweetslover 2014-12-11 20:21:44 -0600 Report

I have realized it is pointless to worry about what I can no longer eat. That just makes me unhappy. Instead, I look at the items I can eat that are good for me and "go for the gusto."

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2014-12-09 13:56:21 -0600 Report

I have never been in a high end restaurant with a Children's Menu. Then again it could be the time I am there which is later in the evening. We have some really expensive restaurants in my city. I was taken to breakfast 3 weeks ago by a friend and breakfast for 2 came to $48.00. I have gone to dinner where the entree alone was $40.00. by the time you add salad, appetizers and drinks, my bill was $90.00 with the tip.

I don't split entrees nor do I ask for a take home box odds are I am not going to eat it when I get home. I was in a restaurant, on each page of the menu was a notice that clearly said NO FOOD SHARING. YOU WILL BE CHARGED FOR TWO MEALS IF CAUGHT, or something along those lines. Two women did this one ordered a large salad the other the entree and they sat their and split the meal in half. They ordered a very expensive dessert and did the same thing and a carafe of house wine. When they each were billed they were shocked and angry. The manager said it is one the menu and on the note card on the table. The women said they didn't think it applied to them. They were very upset that they each had to pay for a full meal. They vowed to never come back to the restaurant and the manager never blinked an eye.
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Beca1
Beca1 2014-12-10 02:07:27 -0600 Report

That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard of a restaurant doing,I know I would never go back there. As far as ordering a child's menu, those really are for children so this I would understand if they got mad. I also, find many times I take something home and do not end up eating it my husband does so thats ok. Personally, I would rather not eat fast foods or in restaurants making a habit of it. I have to take control of my health and therefore, need to control what is in my food.

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2014-12-10 12:41:55 -0600 Report

Restaurants can charge you $2-$3.00 extra for sharing a meal. Some places won 't allow it.

We went to New York for the Radio City Christmas Show on a bus trip. We ended up at a steakhouse for dinner. On the trip was a couple with their daughter who brought her 15 yr old with her. We were in an upscale restaurant and the 15 yr old refused to eat anything on the menu. She wanted a cheeseburger with fries. It was explained that they did not serve any kind of burgers nor did they have ground beef or french fries. They told her mother it would be a specialty item and it would take time to prepare it. The mother was insisted that her daughter got what she wanted. It took almost 45 minutes for her burger and the bill for her burger and hand-cut fries came to $35.00. The mother nearly fainted. When we got on the bus, the mother told her daughter that from that day forward she was going to eat what was on the menu in a restaurant or go hungry because she was never ever going to pay $35.00 for a cheeseburger and fries again in life.

I don't eat out on a regular basis which is why when I do go out to eat it is a treat. I don't care what is on the menu because this is my special treat. I do not over eat. I don't need to control every thing that is in my food because there are far more important and fun things to do in life. I don't make food and diabetes my focal point. I control my diabetes, it does not control me.

Beca1
Beca1 2014-12-09 12:49:26 -0600 Report

I wonder if we can get a Diabetic card from our physicians like those who have had gastro surgery use to show the restaurants that they can order only half a plate due to their stomach size. If we ate like that we would be successful in Not over eating and readings would not go up. I may print out my own card, have the dr sign it and laminate it myself. Worth a try.

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2014-12-09 14:03:17 -0600 Report

I wonder what kind of doctor would sign a card such as that for a person who doesn't need it.

Beca1
Beca1 2014-12-10 02:09:40 -0600 Report

I have a few friends who carry cards from their dr's stating they can not eat a fell entree due to gastric bypass. This way the restaurant will split an Entre for that person, otherwise they will not do it. I have heard that the finer restaurants will half it if you ask them.

RebDee
RebDee 2014-12-10 01:11:21 -0600 Report

I had bariatric surgery and NEVER got a Diabetic card from any of my physicians. I have an appointment with my Endocrinologist on Friday and will ask about the card. I think that is a very good idea.

Beca1
Beca1 2014-12-11 16:13:49 -0600 Report

I have several friends who have had gastric bypasses and yes they will give you a card if you ask due to the restaurants that are against cutting an entree in half. They had to prove it, which, I think is sad. What happened to the customer is always right. As for me, if I had gastric bypass and could not eat much, I would just take the rest of my entree home in a box. Some of my friends could't eat but a few bites and that was it, such a waste when eating in a restaurant.

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2014-12-09 09:15:48 -0600 Report

If I am eating at a fine eating establishment, I don't care about carbs or calories because I don't get to do that often.

Beca1
Beca1 2014-12-09 12:52:06 -0600 Report

I feel the same way, but I find that too many times I do this too much
because I am running around doing errands, shopping, especially now at christmas time. I find taking some good snacks with me helps prevent me from eating out, that way I can still control what I eat, how much and the salt, sugar and carb amounts.

jayabee52
jayabee52 2014-12-09 06:41:04 -0600 Report

Thanks for sharing Michael. I'll keep that in mind whenever dining at a fine dining establishment (like that will ever happen! -LoL!)

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