Diabetic magazines. Should you trust what is written in thm?

RosalieM
By RosalieM Latest Reply 2014-12-17 13:36:47 -0600
Started 2014-12-07 09:21:44 -0600

I got my first issue of Diabetes Self Management. A magazine like that should be helpful for new diabetics, right? Wrong!!! An article "News Notes" says Mayo Clinic says that business about avoiding saturated fat has been proven incorrect. The whole cholesterol and heart disease, money maker has been debunked. I have known that for years and so have many of you. However the rest of the magazine is full of ideas and recipes that are high in carbohydrate while removing fat. The opposite of now proven facts. How can a new diabetic understand what is a right diet for them? I question just about everything and have done extensive research on food and how it affects blood sugar. I can take care of myself.
But should every frightened and confused new diabetic be expected to have the scientific mind that some of us have. This makes me so mad my blood sugar goes up and boils. Yes they can get help here, many are very helpful. But by the time they find this site or the correct information, their feet are already numb and their health is seriously compromised for the rest of their lives.
The recipes on this sight are no different than those in the all the diabetic magazines including this one. How should I think about this? Just not caring about what is going on with diabetes as
long as I am OK doesn't work, I know too much. How do I deal with the anger over this. How should I think about this? I do help others, writing for a magazine and by posting here and hosting a diabetes support group, but it is not enough to give me the peace I need and want. About the time I think I have a handle on it, something like this magazine gets in my face.


18 replies

jigirl
jigirl 2014-12-17 11:46:06 -0600 Report

While trying to get mine back under control, I read three different protocols. ALL VERY DIFFERENT. How would one KNOW which was best. There was no time to read and choose. I also have allergies and other health concerns. Can't follow a REGULAR RECEPIE. Vegan and Raw work best with some fish and poultry. 6 Oz's of MEAT per meal? Isn't going to happen.
Vegan and RawRaw gives me recepies for dairy substitutessubstitutes. Wheat free options etc. My numbers are better now. Looking forward to next A1C results.

RosalieM
RosalieM 2014-12-17 13:36:47 -0600 Report

Hi jigirl,
I am interested what your health related food restrictions are. I often make up recipes and make substitutions. I might be able to help a little.
Grandma Rose

Jibber Jabber
Jibber Jabber 2014-12-14 16:00:53 -0600 Report

Thinking about my own experience with my doctor while reading this..I was just diagnosed two mos ago…and my doctor told me to cut out all fat from animal sources and to count carbs…HE SAYS I can have between 45-60 per meal…well…my body says 30 is my limit…lmao…and when I tell my doctor I eat an egg everyday he laughs at me..tells me it is not healthy…well then my blood work came back…and he shut up…as far as my diet is concerned…I dont listen to my doctor at all…I just dont eat anything with a label…and even then I try to eat organic..plenty of fruits and veggies…one egg a day..a lot of turkey and chicken breast..well because I love turkey and chicken breast..I only allow myself two slices of high fiber whole grain bread a day..and I am thinking of even cutting that out..and I only snack on nuts seeds and berries..my doctor thinks I am a fanatic…I think the doctor is an old school lunatic..but alas I need him to write my metformin script..I started out on 2000 mg of metformin a day and have already had my meds cut in half…I do not understand why doctors advocate unhealthy foods "as long as you count carbs"…REALLY…isnt it the unhealthy foods that gave me this crap to begin with???

RosalieM
RosalieM 2014-12-14 17:54:20 -0600 Report

Hi Jibber Jabber,
All doctors are member of the American Diabetes Association. They are responsible for the inaccurate diet information doctors, nutritionists and diabetes educators teach. A nutritionist told me they have to teach what the ADA says. Your doctor is behind the times. My Dr. told me on Thursday that the American Diabetes Association was involved with research that attempted to lower peoples blood sugar as low as possible,
in the 5 range to prevent heart disease. They were using drugs and insulin only, no diet information was given the test subjects. The test subjects were dropping over from heart attacks at a faster rate than those not treated. They had to quit the research early. My doctor is being converted.
He is seeing what is happening. Grandma Rose

rolly123
rolly123 2014-12-11 17:56:44 -0600 Report

Rosaliem
Stay on this site and ask question about diabetetes u having difficult with everyone will help u out! Their alot ones that had diabetes for long time they can help u out! Find friends here and u can ask question and text them without everyone know ! Everyone has great help here! About mag take grain salt take what dont understand ask u docter if have ditician that help u out! Hope help
Valerie

Type1Lou
Type1Lou 2014-12-10 09:44:04 -0600 Report

I often shake my head at the high carb recipes found in diabetes magazines and publications. IMO, reducing carb intake is a must for anyone with diabetes to gain better BG control. (The amount will vary by individual.) These magazines lead people to believe that these high-carb preparations are "diabetes-friendly" and are "enabling" them to continue an insalubrious diet.

haoleboy
haoleboy 2014-12-09 13:45:35 -0600 Report

Wouldn't it be nice if diabetes was a one size fits all disease? Not only are there multiple "types" of diabetes, within those types there are many factors that dictate exactly which nutritional path one should follow AND many (most?) diabetics have at least one other health issue that affect their nutritional needs. On top of all that diabetes is generally a progressive disease that may require that you "tweak" your diet as things change. How would you best offer advice to such a diverse group?

As an "expert in nutrition" I try not to offer advice to others, but rather relate things I have found that work for me and any science based evidence that I can pass along to help expand the general understanding of nutrition and how it relates to health.

Yes I referred to my self as an "expert in nutrition", and I am … but only as it relates to me. No one knows more about my "diet" and how my body responds to various macro and micro nutrients. I believe that in order to really effectively manage this disease every diabetic has to become an "expert in nutrition".

I really do wish there were easy answers to this …

namaste
Steve

RosalieM
RosalieM 2014-12-10 10:49:53 -0600 Report

Steve
You really are an "nutrition expert", no doubt in mind. Your knowledge is extremely valuable to diabetics. Let loose and tell us what you know.
It is more helpful (in my opinion) to diabetics to get more information than they may need for their personal issues than to have to try to read between the lines to figure it out. Many are not as able as you in doing that.
I am opinionated but my opinion is backed up by much research. Helping others with what I have learned is far more important to me than worrying what someone may think about me. I change my opinions when supported facts are presented. Speak with authority about what you know. We will sit up and take notice! Grandma Rose

RosalieM
RosalieM 2014-12-09 14:33:35 -0600 Report

Steve
I do agree with you. I painted with too broad a brush for sure.
Blood sugar is raised by carbohydrates. More by sugar and Starch based carbohydrates than other types. Yes diabetics need to become "experts in nutrition" as you are. I wish they would see it as you do. Most do not, at least not until the damage has been done.
If they are unable or unwilling to become that "nutrition expert".
A clear cut, simple statement that starch and sugar raise blood sugar the most gives them a starting point that isn't obscured by the politically correct, everyone's diabetes is different. Denial is a big part of what most diabetics go through. MY hope is a clear cut statement that we all know is true may help cut through the denial and save them a lot of misery. Grandma Rose

haoleboy
haoleboy 2014-12-09 17:47:05 -0600 Report

It seems the "diabetes industry" tends to "coddle" type 2 diabetics. In my opinion (one that doesn't make me very popular) a lot of type 2's have eating issues (disorders), I know that I certainly did, and instead of the tough love and straight talk that we need they tend to soft peddle the importance of making serious dietary reforms.

Just my opinion and if this does not apply to you good … no need to respond in that case.

Steve

Pegsy
Pegsy 2014-12-11 16:41:48 -0600 Report

This definitely did apply to me. Upon diagnosis, denial hit hard, for about a day. Then I got busy changing my eating habits, hard and fast. I had to learn new ways to deal with stress. Food was my stress reliever for years. Not anymore. Careful control works. It takes dogged determination to maintain. You have to want it bad enough to make the sacrifice for yourself. I understand that not everyone does.

RosalieM
RosalieM 2014-12-10 07:45:17 -0600 Report

Hi Steve,
I notice that too. Soft peddling the importance of diet that is. I have felt that those who soft peddle, really don't understand the relationship between diet and blood sugar. They just copy what the current idea is
and pass it on. The other thing is they believe the American Diabetes Association teaching that you need 6- 11 servings of carbohydrate per day or you will not survive. We know that is not true. Than there is the drug solution. You can lower your blood sugar with drugs. They don't tell you the drugs don't prevent complications and causes heart disease. If you don't want to give up your carbohydrate addiction, the experts give you an excuse. When the complications set in it is a wake up call. Grandma Rose

Pegsy
Pegsy 2014-12-11 16:45:19 -0600 Report

This is exactly the advice that my first two dieticians gave me. I knew instinctively that they were wrong. At least in my case. I had to spend a lot of time and some money researching for myself an learning everything I could from as many sources as possible. Eventually, through study and experimentation I learned what does and does not work for my body. I will never stop exploring and learning new things regarding diabetes and control through careful diet. Sleep, stress reduction and exercise play a vital role for me as well.

lilleyheidi
lilleyheidi 2014-12-09 02:59:30 -0600 Report

Yes, well said. I have picked up this particular magazine in waiting rooms and had my blood pressure go up a few notches. Most of the time, I avoid health magazines or read them and then go home and research online, ask a lot of questions and try to make an informed decision on my own. I don't always make the right decision, but I try to do what is right at the moment for me. I'll talk to my doctor, my dietician, my support groups, search the internet, do whatever I have to do, then make the decision. Heidi

RosalieM
RosalieM 2014-12-09 08:47:32 -0600 Report

Heidi,
I see you haven't had diabetes very long so you are one of the vulnerable ones I worry about. The diet advice in the magazine is the same diet advice that the American Diabetes Association gives. Their advice is wrong and dangerous to you. All doctors are members of this organization. All diabetes educators say the same thin, they have to.
Diabetics on this site who recommend and use a low carb, high protein and high fat diet are experts you can trust. Everyone else is behind the times and developing research. Grandma Rose

Pegsy
Pegsy 2014-12-07 20:42:49 -0600 Report

Well said. I subscribe to no health magazines for this reason. I have been led astray by several professionals in the field of diabetes and dietetics, etc. I have had to take personal responsibility to educate myself and research what I am told by so many so called experts. If I ate as the experts have advised me I would be taking a lot more medication and I would have very poor glucose control. Thankfully my doctor understands this and encourages me to just keep doing what I've been doing because it works. I never stop learning and making changes to my plan. It is a sad thing that experts are leading so many astray.

RosalieM
RosalieM 2014-12-08 12:32:27 -0600 Report

I have been lead astray by experts too and did the same thing as you did.
Many will not question the experts because well, they are experts. They put the blame on themselves and give up trying because they cannot succeed. That sets me on fire which raises my blood sugar!

Grandma Rose

jayabee52
jayabee52 2014-12-09 07:09:59 -0600 Report

The definition of an expert: Ex a Latin term meaning "out of" and a spurt is a little water so putting it all together expert means a "drip under pressure". LoL!

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