Struggling with Whole Wheat carbs

Phoenix Eye
By Phoenix Eye Latest Reply 2014-10-05 02:40:17 -0500
Started 2014-09-05 03:29:04 -0500

I am not getting good BS levels after eating two slices of whole wheat bread. Like a sandwich seems to push me to 140s two hours after. I have had good numbers with 2 slices of Thomas English Muffins whole wheat. However they are tiny. With a ton of hummus I am good. Oh well I guess I am going to try half sandwiches. Thank god I finally tried a Carls Jr Super Star with cheese lettuce wrap and measured 114mg/DL two hours after. Not exactly healthy, but I got to get my cravings done every once in a while.

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72 replies

zmi1234 2014-09-14 08:56:53 -0500 Report

Maybe the culprit is what's in the middle of the sandwich lol, also sometimes 1 slice tends to be quite large… I suggest you to weigh your portions! Maybe that's sabotaging you! Good luck :)

Phoenix Eye
Phoenix Eye 2014-09-14 13:09:24 -0500 Report

Obviously I tried to test both with and without the two slices of bread. Lettuce, tomatoes, mustard and turkey have minimal carbs. My BG levels are fine IF I only eat one slice. Most of the wheat bread is about the same size and are around 22-25 grams per slice. This seems to apply to most grains for me. I can only eat half of a serving size or else my BS spikes. What do you mean one slice seems to be quite large? How many sandwiches do you eat with only one slice? There is no point in weighing my portions of bread. I just cut it in half and eat ONE slice and I am fine. Most bread has nutritional info based upon their predetermined serving size.

Let me ask you since you were on the National Tennis Team, where did you get your rackets strung? I used to go to the UCLA stringers in Monrovia. They are known for stringing the pros at the grandslams. Do you like real gut or is there another string you like? What tension pressure and racket do you like? Also which med school are you at? My mom has a degree in Zoology, Medical Laboratory Technology, Pharmacy and Physician Assistant.

aasmith56 2014-09-19 17:34:03 -0500 Report

Phoenix Eye what numbers are you trying to reach after eating? 140's is not bad, actually a good normal reading after eating. Also I love sandwiches so I use Pepperidge Farms melba thin rye, and this allows me a small piece of fruit and a small salad without a large spike in my numbers. Also the more fiber in the whole wheat bread the better. Sara Lee has a no sugar wheat bread out that is great also.

zmi1234 2014-09-14 13:20:46 -0500 Report

Sorry, I didn't explain myself quite well. I don't live in the US, I dont know how homogeneous are the portions sizes, but over here you can find portions that range from 15 to 25 grams, so that's a huge difference, thats why I suggested to weight it, also because over here we dont have nutritional labels in every product, so it gets kinda tricky :), sorry my bad.
Well I get my rackets strung miles aways from were you live so… I don't think you could go over there! Haha, I like real gut, and I used Andy Roddick's babolat, I dont play anymore so I'm not updated :(. I'm from Francisco Marroquin University :)

jayabee52 2014-10-05 02:40:17 -0500 Report

so you are in Guatamala?
Not everything here in the US is homogeneous either. Breads do not always have wrappers where portion sizes or nutrition info is listed here either.

so your suggestion was quite good in that case

Vhm 2014-09-11 21:29:31 -0500 Report

Grain carbs are grain carbs, period. Sure, grains that aren't refined may not spike the BG as quick but the rise will occur. I buy a comparatively lower carb wrap; 12g each. I use them in lieu of bread and as a pizza crust or as a tortilla to make a burrito only once or twice per week and no more. Otherwise it is no grain carbs allowed in the house.

BB42 2014-09-11 05:44:06 -0500 Report

Once and a while is OK and you may want to wait 3 hours before taking your numbers. I found one slice of grain bred is fine. 2 starts pushing it for me

Lakeland 2014-09-10 19:57:14 -0500 Report

P.S look for whole grain and a fiber count of 3 or higher (whole wheat is still processed & so may not help

RebDee 2014-09-10 12:23:54 -0500 Report

Having read through all the replies below, I want to thank Diabetic Connect for this line of discussion. I was able to glean OOPSIE BREAD recipe, learn about Healthy Breads, and validate my NO WHITE DIET.
I am now looking forward to the next stage in my 5 stage program post surgery. Since adding pureed vegetables and chopped chicken, I have had a wonderful blood sugar but have not lost any weight. Guess I have to exercise more. Have not gone over 500 calories which is what the surgeon suggested.

Type1Lou 2014-09-09 18:40:01 -0500 Report

I've found that most breads will elevate my BG. I do occasionally permit myself one thin slice of whole grain bread which come to about 10 grams of carb or 2 slices of Wasa Light Rye Crisp bread which is 14 grams. My last A1c was 6.6. For me, it's all about counting all of the carbs I eat and limiting my daily carbs to 120 grams. I'm 5'3" tall and weigh around 120 lbs. My husband went shopping yesterday and brought home some wraps. When I asked him if they were low-carb wraps, he said he hadn't checked. Each tortilla wrap that he bought had 26 grams of carb…way too much for me. I advised him he would be eating lots of wraps. He's usually pretty supportive but doesn't have to watch his diet. Several weeks ago, I had bought a package of low-carb wraps that only had 10 grams of carb each…so we can have them if the carbs are low enough. Because we all react differently, we need to determine which carb level is right for us individually.

TooSweet60 2014-09-09 10:13:48 -0500 Report

Ok, Im lost…I was dx'd formally with T2 in 2011, but My numbers were high from 2007. My mom, dad, Granfather(paternal n both Maternal grandparents all diabetic) mom 12 brothers n Sisters all type 2, My granpa Amputations, mom lost site, Dad passed at 42 8 heart attacks, my son is T2 other one prediabetic. My daughter and brother T2, they all have or had good control, ate healthy, but ate, few on insulin. Most oral meds.
>>I started Diet n exercise numbers kept going up. Add Metformin 500 am/pm then 1000 am/pm, add Months later Glyburide 5mg day then 10mg, then 15 mg (Still on these to same doses) tried Januvia and sliding scale Novalog. Did nothing, numbers hitting 550 never under 250. They stopped all but Met and Glyburide and left at that. That high for a year or more. New PCP mine my doc of 22 years retired, put me on Lantus 26u numbers under 200 (135-250) A1c down from 16.5, 14.5 after only 10 days of Lantus to 10.4. Ok heres my issue. How do I eat only 50 carbs a day. Im hungry, fear weight gain, I watch and count what I eat. But if I look at food my numbers double really, things that shouldnt raise much like black coffee with splenda packet, veggies( not starch ones either) healthy protiens, no white foods, not sweets, no mayo or butter, no candy,no tea or soda, water only and 1-2 small can glucerna shakes, because i barely eat. My weight stuck between 160-163 at 5' 71/2" but my numbers can be 140, 130, 141 etc and if I sip coffee breath food lol! Anthing then BAM 250-290 a 310 last night after coffee Why? Any Ideas? Any input would be appreciated. Doctor has no idea!

aasmith56 2014-09-19 17:46:42 -0500 Report

try getting rid of the splenda it is horrible on my numbers. Also how long after eating did you have the coffee? I would try more fiber and less of the shakes etc. I suggest keeping a journal of everything consumed daily and check your numbers a lot (appx 2 hrs after every meal) to see what is spiking your numbers, only way to find out why going high.

rolly123 2014-09-15 16:52:59 -0500 Report

To sweet
I have family that had diabetes they all past away! The only one left brother who has it and sister lucky one don't have it me who does! I know what mean I try watch carb I'm learning a lot but sugar still high I'm on lantus also
Hope by now u found out why sugar r high take care

Phoenix Eye
Phoenix Eye 2014-09-09 22:21:18 -0500 Report

Those numbers are crazy. Your family history also sounds sad. I would limit more of your carbs, stop the coffee and increase the exercise. What has been consistent for me is grilled chicken salad. However I started to crash hard even with snacks and now make sure to have enough carbs during the day. Since you are especially sensitive to carbs. I would eat more small carb snacks throughout the day. This should make sure you are not overloading on too many carbs at any one time. I get my most carbs at breakfast with oatmeal and milk. Regular Cereal just spikes me no matter which brand. I eat a half sandwich or one slice of bread at lunch every now and then. Other times I eat off the shelf soba noodles, which taste bland and horrible to me. As far as hunger you can fill up on non starchy vegetables. Personally a big bowl of boiled cabbage, broccoli and mushrooms always drops my Blood Sugar without fail. Well that and more exercise. Also I am not hungry after that huge bowl of boiled veggies and shrooms. Good luck!

Brenin 2014-09-08 18:10:42 -0500 Report

I had to stop eating all breads, white rice, pasta and potatoes because no matter what I bought, what I tried or what was put on it…it all jacked my bs sky high. The only thing I really miss is the convenience of throwing a sandwich together when I'm in a hurry. But honestly, it's the being "in a hurry" that has caused me to not eat as healthy as I should and to develop some pretty poor eating habits.

Pegsy 2014-09-12 18:05:46 -0500 Report

I can relate to this. I have not stopped bread entirely but two slices at once is pushing it for me. I occasionally eat brown rice in very small amounts and occasionally eat potato (smooth skin variety) in very small quantity but I never eat pasta.

I also relate to being in a hurry and that causing me not to eat as healthy as I should. I am working harder to keep quick and easy options on hand that are healthy for me. Since my diabetes diagnosis, they joy of cooking has left me and I have become very lazy about food preparation.

Brenin 2014-09-13 16:25:31 -0500 Report

I can eat small amounts (and I mean SMALL) of brown rice and small amounts of red skinned potatoes…that's about it. Bread so far of any kind does me in…even if I eat one slice. I've totally given up on pasta…no matter what kind I tried, it didn't matter. White rice has always been a wicked issue for my bs.

Sometimes, I just don't see the point in preparing meals anymore. I have to eat so closely to the foods natural state because any processed causes me problems too. I don't have the joy I used to have when it came to preparing meals either. Probably it's that I've not really looked into learning new ways of cooking… I'm just start to delve into that aspect of things now.

RebDee 2014-09-10 12:10:56 -0500 Report

Brenin: What you are doing is the NO WHITE DIET which is no breads, white rice, white pastas and white potatoes plus no sugars and no salts.
I have tried the gluten free bread but there is too many calories, etc. So when I am allowed to have a hamburger, I guess that I will have it sans bun — not the same but then I am not the same since bariatric sleeve surgery.

haoleboy 2014-09-07 17:12:37 -0500 Report

in the YMMV department … Last night, having consumed less than 10 carbs all day and doubling up on my work outs I was "starving" come dinner time. I ate 4 eggs scrambled with about 2 oz of pork sausage and four (4) slices of sourdough toast liberally buttered. A grand total of 76 carbs in one sitting (less than 90 total for the day). prior to eating my BGL was 92 1 hour post … 99, 2 hour post … 113. BGL was normal this morning.
Not something I plan to do regularly (or ever again) but thought it was a head scratcher.

Pegsy 2014-09-10 16:59:19 -0500 Report

I wish I could get away with eating sourdough toast! When I want a sandwich I usually use Orowheat Sandwich thins or Sara Lee 45 Calories & Delightful bread. I don't do that more than once or twice a week, though. I can use a high quality whole wheat bread for toast so long as I only have one slice. I cannot consume, cereals (even oatmeal), pasta, white rice or corn. I can have a small amount of potato, occasionally. I've just learned to accept this and enjoy the foods I can have.

Phoenix Eye
Phoenix Eye 2014-09-07 19:23:50 -0500 Report

Wow that sounds delicious and awesome! What brand of sourdough only has 76 carbs for 4 slices? Was it whole wheat sourdough? Good job on the working out. It looks like you have been taking good care of yourself! Hopefully someday I can eat two slices of bread again. You give a lot of people hope! Thank you for sharing.

haoleboy 2014-09-07 20:08:55 -0500 Report

It is a local sourdough. We live close to San Francisco so we have many to choose from.
Most sourdoughs have about 20 grams (+/-). Try sourdough. some people find that it spikes them less than other breads … something to do with the fermentation process that the bread goes through.

Pegsy 2014-09-12 18:16:14 -0500 Report

I'm going to give sour dough a try tomorrow. What a dream come true if I can get away with enjoying that now and then!

Pegsy 2014-09-13 10:28:58 -0500 Report

I tried the sour dough bread and had a reading of 121 two hours post. I am so excited about that! Can't wait to try Rye later this week. Thanks for those tips!

Pegsy 2014-09-12 18:18:27 -0500 Report

Thanks for that info too. I'll have to try it. Getting tired of low carb tortillas all the time.

IronOre 2014-09-07 14:32:06 -0500 Report

nothing wrong with 140's
no need to worry about it, you will be fine

haoleboy 2014-09-07 15:24:05 -0500 Report

many believe that complications are far more likely to occur at blood glucose levels at or above 140 and would argue there is a whole lot wrong with 140's.

Graylin Bee
Graylin Bee 2014-09-06 19:22:50 -0500 Report

Most grains do not work for me. Either I use a lettuce wrap or skip the bun when eating a burger when eating out. I do make a version of oopsie bread (lots of recipes for it on the web). It is made with almond flour/meal, eggs, baking soda and a few other ingredients. I have good results with it when it comes to making sandwices, pizza crust, and haveorphed it into cake.

RebDee 2014-09-07 19:11:31 -0500 Report

Now this sounds like something I would like to try. Never heard of oopsie bread. What version do you use? Send recipe please.

Graylin Bee
Graylin Bee 2014-09-10 11:39:48 -0500 Report

Here's what I make
1 serving
2 Tbsp butter, melted * ¼ c almond meal * 1/8 tsp honey * ¼ scant tsp baking powder * pinch salt * 1/8 tsp vinegar * 1 egg
Grease two oval corning baking dishes. Melt butter in microwave mixing bowl. Stir in almond meal. Add honey, baking powder, salt, vinegar, and egg, mix well. Pour batter into two dishes. Nuke for 2 min 15 sec. Let cool 30 sec. Remove from pan & place on wire rack to cool.
You may need to finish the bread by either toasting it in a toaster or browning it in a skillet.
When I first tried this I was so happy I could have my fried egg sandwiches again.

RebDee 2014-09-10 12:13:58 -0500 Report

Thank you for the recipe for oopsie bread. I plan to try it when I am allowed to have bread again.

H8havingDiabetes 2014-09-06 12:00:01 -0500 Report

You should look for a new brand called "Healthy Life". They make bread, hot dog buns and hamburger buns. As an example; the hot dog buns have 80 calories, 0.5g fat, 16g carbs, 4g fiber, 3G sugars and 4g protein.

jayabee52 2014-09-06 01:51:26 -0500 Report

I don't eat breads or grain products of any kind to be able to manage my BG (blood glucose) levels close to the normal range (80 - 130 mg/dl) without the use of diabetes meds. I lost 65 lbs after I started that meal plan.


ladybugsluck9 2014-09-06 10:28:12 -0500 Report

Hi James! Thanks for the friend request! Congrats on losing 65 lbs! Boy that's a real hard way to do it, tho. Glad it worked for you. :)

jayabee52 2014-09-06 12:20:08 -0500 Report

Howdy Darlene
I had been on small doses of NPH insulin twice daily before I started my meal plan, and I was able to discontinue those injections. I am, of course T2.
I did not feel it was a hard way to do it. In fact I was surprised at about 2 months into the plan my jeans were getting loose. It did not even occur to me that I might lose weight with that plan. It was a happy surprise. In fact, at the 5 mo mark I decided that my face was looking gaunt and I decided to stop the weight loss. I added in a little more fat into my plan and that stopped the weight loss.

I have written my meal plan as a discussion and am willing to send you the link for it should you ask.

God's best to you

RebDee 2014-09-07 19:15:48 -0500 Report

I would like the link.
I go by the NO WHITE diet: no white rice, noodles, potatoes, sugar, salt. It worked well before surgery and I did lose some weight with it. Post surgery, I am not at the stage for any rice, noodles, or bread but plan to be very careful about what I put into my mouth. I didn't go through surgery just to regain weight.

Phoenix Eye
Phoenix Eye 2014-09-05 17:01:48 -0500 Report

Yes and the difference is the volume. The English muffins are scrawny. I thought the Milton's Craft Bakers Healthy Whole Grains would do it. However two slices for a sandwich was just too much. Like I said I just have to watch that bread. I have also had good BS with soba noodles, but the store bought dried taste horrible.

Phoenix Eye
Phoenix Eye 2014-09-05 14:45:02 -0500 Report

Thanks for the guidance. Yeah I noticed not all whole wheat products are whole wheat or whole grain. Like sun chips add rice flour. All those low carb breads and pita do me know good with two whole slices. Only the Thomas English muffin whole wheat seems to keep me in a safe BS range. Which sucks because I love pita and hummus. Which is why I am considering getting a grain mill and making sure I eat whole grain carbs. Even the steel cut oats is better for me than quick oats. However I feel my real solution is half a sandwich or one piece of bread per meal.

Glucerna 2014-09-05 16:10:14 -0500 Report

Have you checked the difference in grams of carbohydrate between the bread you're using and the English muffins? The amount of carbohydrate in breads can be all over the place. ~Lynn @Glucerna

ReaderReader12 2014-09-05 10:46:42 -0500 Report

My Dr. told me if I have to have bread use Rye. As of 2 months ago I do not eat bread anymore. Now I use Lawash low-carb wraps for my bread. My partner uses them to and for her I spread hummus on it put on some fresh spinach and whatever kind of meat she wants. She loves them. Only the white and whole wheat are 4 g of carbs of that brand.

rolly123 2014-09-05 20:15:46 -0500 Report

Is rye better I'm going shopping ill going get less carb

haoleboy 2014-09-05 20:53:30 -0500 Report

if you are having issues getting your BGL's under control you might want to try eliminating bread (grains in general) for a while and see if that helps.

rolly123 2014-09-06 16:25:29 -0500 Report

That's good idea bought no bread product bought lots veg beans string califower ALS broccoli and lots protein meats ! Thanks for all advice

rolly123 2014-09-06 16:20:17 -0500 Report

That's good idea bought no bread product bought lots veg beans string califower ALS broccoli and lots protein meats ! Thanks for all advice

Phoenix Eye
Phoenix Eye 2014-09-05 20:43:47 -0500 Report

It is but my body can only handle a half sandwich or one slice per meal. Good luck. Hopefully you can handle a whole 2 slice sandwich.

kimfing 2014-09-05 10:14:49 -0500 Report

I find when i eat whole wheat there cannot be any bleached flour in it. I read add ingredients. Any bleached flour sends me over

callie8 2014-09-17 23:35:54 -0500 Report

I stopped eating wheat cause i have the Dr. OZ wheat tummy so I have gone whole grain and want to go try the low calorie or wraps mentioned here so what about pumpernickle???

kimfing 2014-09-17 23:50:03 -0500 Report

Pumpernickle messes me up. Sourdough is suppose to be good because it digests slower. Wraps mess me up too. Dark rye does well for me

kimfing 2014-09-17 23:49:47 -0500 Report

Pumpernickle messes me up. Sourdough is suppose to be good because it digests slower. Wraps mess me up too. Dark rye does well for me

kimfing 2014-09-17 23:49:38 -0500 Report

Pumpernickle messes me up. Sourdough is suppose to be good because it digests slower. Wraps mess me up too. Dark rye does well for me

callie8 2014-09-17 23:35:48 -0500 Report

I stopped eating wheat cause i have the Dr. OZ wheat tummy so I have gone whole grain and want to go try the low calorie or wraps mentioned here so what about pumpernickle???

callie8 2014-09-17 23:35:32 -0500 Report

I stopped eating wheat cause i have the Dr. OZ wheat tummy so I have gone whole grain and want to go try the low calorie or wraps mentioned here so what about pumpernickle???

callie8 2014-09-17 23:35:28 -0500 Report

I stopped eating wheat cause i have the Dr. OZ wheat tummy so I have gone whole grain and want to go try the low calorie or wraps mentioned here so what about pumpernickle???

callie8 2014-09-17 23:35:22 -0500 Report

I stopped eating wheat cause i have the Dr. OZ wheat tummy so I have gone whole grain and want to go try the low calorie or wraps mentioned here so what about pumpernickle???

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