swine flu

By dj7110 Latest Reply 2009-09-01 00:12:17 -0500
Started 2009-04-27 05:23:02 -0500

I'm sure most have heard about this in the news lately. Does anyone know if they developed a vaccine for it lately? I've heard it was a different type strain then any other known flu and wondering also if anyone knows if the current annual flu shots we recieve help or not.

63 replies

dj7110 2009-09-01 00:12:17 -0500 Report

with the upcommming flu season I was planning on getting vaccinated for this but than came across a rather disturbing video on it not being very safe ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56wuIgJGvrM&fe... ) unsure if i should get it or not. than unsure how much truth there is to this video.. Is anyone else planning on getting this vaccine?

2009-05-11 12:57:14 -0500 Report

I don't know if they have developed a vaccine or not. However, when I had my dr's appt. last week, I asked her about any outbreak in my area. (Pt.Pleasant,WV, very small town) She said that here for me not to worry because there had not been any reported cases, but if I should start feeling as if I were getting ill with flu like symptoms, to make sure I got either in touch with her, or go to the ER. Haven't had any problems, but was concerned about what was going on in my area.

Goddess 2009-05-07 21:34:32 -0500 Report

We have had an outbreak of swine flu here in KY. They don't seem that concerned about it. It's hard to get any info on it and what is going on.

LadyDi - 26259Miller
LadyDi - 26259Miller 2009-05-07 22:02:40 -0500 Report

It's here in GA too, but it's all over the news. Of course the CDC is here too. I just pray it turns out to be much less of a deal than it possibly could be.

2009-05-07 20:24:51 -0500 Report

Lady Di, you are somewhat correct that politics somewhat don't belong here, but in reality, everyone's eyes ARE on him, for guidance, and assurance, no matter the issue. But I do agree with you that another discussion should be made, if someone wants to, to discuss such a subject. But then again, if begun, it would be said that since it is not diabetic related, it should be squashed. Ho hum.

LadyDi - 26259Miller
LadyDi - 26259Miller 2009-05-07 20:53:20 -0500 Report

My point exactly. This site is no place for those type comments. And I still say it hasn't been proven that he's not qualified to be our President. And who makes that call? Who on this site has the knowledge or the expertise or the ability to look into the future to make that call? Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but to make a blanket statement as if it's a proven fact is just ridiculous.

Big Dave
Big Dave 2009-05-10 17:18:30 -0500 Report

I guess you didn't notice that I said "in my opinion" after my statement. I make no apology for my statement, as I believe that the junior senator from Illinois was persuaded first by the media and then by his ego to run for the presidency. He has already made it all too apparent that he should have waited a few more years before running for this office. He may become a great president, or he may fall on his face. Only time will tell, but he has already said that there are 58 states, he wished the president of Mexico a "happy fifth of fourth" (sic)Cinco de Quatro, instead of Cinco de Mayo, and he can't seem to talk without the help of a teleprompter. Of course, these are just minor gaffs, but he should have better control of his comments, which just confirms my assessment of his lack of maturity and statesmanship. No leader of any country should supine himself to the leader of another country, no matter what the religious or political significance.

If our "dear Leader" will make these kind of mistakes when the stakes aren't very high, what kind of mistakes will he make when his feet are really held to the fire?

My glucose spikes when I discuss political issues. Is there anyone else that has these sugar spikes when they are stressed? Just curious!

LadyDi - 26259Miller
LadyDi - 26259Miller 2009-05-07 18:40:40 -0500 Report

I'm just catching up on all of these comments and find them very interesting, to say the least. Are the drug companies behind this? Is this all just media hype? Are we all being duped? None of us know the answer, unfortunately. I do think that no matter what the President, the media, the medical profession or the drug companies do, there will be critics. If they did nothing and it got out of control, etc., what would we all be thinking/saying? Do a certain number of people have to die before any action is taken? I personally believe in being proactive and prepared. I do not think panic and exaggeration is in order, but we do need to be looking at this realistically.

I am a volunteer in a ministry that serves the needy. We are inundated with people needing assistance, and a large percentage are from other countries - particularly hispanics. We are not closing down, nor are we going into panic mode, but we have taken measure to address the issue, putting in place sensible, routine procedures and thinking ahead to the "what if" scenarios. I see other groups and organizations doing the same. I think we owe it to ourselves and our families, and those coming to us for help, to be aware of what is happening and doing all we can to provide sensible protection to the extent possible.

I am always puzzled when people have to bring politics into any and all situations too, I might add. To use this forum to say that President Obama is not qualified to be in office has no place here, in my opinion. That has not been proven, and I am not sure why people consider themselves such experts on the subject. IMO.

Char - 14852
Char - 14852 2009-05-05 18:07:56 -0500 Report

So far they have not created a vaccine but they have found strain that is causing the flu so they can work on it, However, it will not be available for some time. The flu vaccine that we get in the early fall does NOT cover this particular strain. I believe we will not see a pandemic because it really is nsot spreading any faster than other strains of flu..thousands die each year from "regular" flu! I believe that we should be careful of course but we can't hide ourselves in a bubble!!

thomas kosky
thomas kosky 2009-05-05 19:48:30 -0500 Report

don't panic.be cautious.current vaccine does not help.there may be more cases of swine flu but all strains of the flu should be a concern.keep up with personal hygiene and all should be fine.tom.

JAM - 30801
JAM - 30801 2009-05-02 18:39:36 -0500 Report

This week, Novartis, a Swiss drugs giant, unveiled the results of its research into an adjuvant-based vaccine against H5N1 bird flu. These suggest its product may offer protection for six years, even against previously unknown strains of the virus.

You need to first know the truth about adjuvant-based vaccines and now what the drug companies advertise or tell the public through the media. Adjuvant-based vaccines means something is added to boost the immune system, because the vaccine is not very effective it at all. The adjuvant can cause harm to you in time and you will never connect it to the vaccine.

For the most part, you can take elderberry extract which is natural and get better immune support and antiviral protection then a vaccine.

"Why the pandemic is occurring?"

However, it's not a swine flu pandemic, yet! It is a media pandemic! It is also, a fully organized plan with a set purpose. What I believe is happening is man-made and is being implemented is such a way that we are paying for it not only with our money, but with our minds and health. We are being mind controlled by what we are currently hearing and seeing in the media, with their so called (bought and paid for) experts and commentators. Even the president has been duped by his agencies and advisers, or there may be something else is going on behind the scene that needs to be uncovered.

This flu out-break is a launch platform for more drugs to be made by drug companies and purchased by us, even if we don't take their drugs we still pay for them with our tax money. The drug industry was looking for many new drugs to come out of the DNA mapping and that didn't happen. Many of their patents are running out, so they need to generate more sales, from something they currently have or from something they will artificially create by adding adjuvant or I as I call it… junk. What would you do to make a billion or trillion dollars? If you can imagine it, you can bet they are doing it and more.

However, there is something more sinister afoot… The threat of an epidemic becoming a world-wide pandemic will put the global elitists in a situation where they can make it law for the world, "The WORLD" to be forced into taking some kind of protective medicine that is being conjured up by the drug companies. Under the current climate, the only way to benefit from this mess is to buy their stocks now… and you can cash in on the next flu season, just like the drug companies.


Joe (JAM)

“The system confines us within countless boxes. Critical Thinking can get you out of a box only to find you are still boxed in.” JAM

GabbyPA 2009-05-02 20:38:41 -0500 Report

I love your way of thinking. We really must chat. I try not to get too political here, but you said it beautifully. Thanks!

Pauline B
Pauline B 2009-05-03 19:58:26 -0500 Report

I hope you are not correct, but I have no evidence to not believe your theory! While I waffle with my feet planted slightly left of middle, I often listen to talk radio to hear what is going on farther to the right. I hope that both sides will see the absurdity of their opinions.

Big Dave
Big Dave 2009-05-04 08:00:19 -0500 Report

I don't want to sound too overly conservative, but our new president is easily duped. The media duped him into running for an office he is clearly not qualified for. IMO

Char - 14852
Char - 14852 2009-05-05 18:12:51 -0500 Report

I just read your reply AFTER writing my own and I did not know about the Novartis vaccine. Hoever it is a real travesty that gets perpetuated on the American public!

bnesper 2009-05-02 17:28:58 -0500 Report

I have heard that the flu shots won't help with the Swine Flu. A vacination is in the works but won't be availabe for 6 months.

JamesNY 2009-05-02 17:02:23 -0500 Report

No one has developed a vaccine for it yet because it has to go through the first cycle of it's life. Meaning it is not the first attack that anything will happen towards making a vaccine, only when it goes dormant and the Pharmaceuticals have some time to observe it, will they have one. Plus there is a danger of it mutating, so we all just have to wait it out and see what happens.


shorty 41
shorty 41 2009-05-02 13:48:49 -0500 Report

I have heard that the yearly flu shot will not help. There are 2 perscription drugs that help some when you think you are setting the flu.

shorty 41
shorty 41 2009-05-02 13:51:30 -0500 Report

this picture is not me but my 22yr old granddaughter. I don't have any picts of me in the computer.

Lilithk 2009-05-02 14:15:22 -0500 Report

I keep a bottle of hand sanitizer handy just in case I'm in an area where I cannot wash my hands..this is good to do any time not just flu season.

Pauline B
Pauline B 2009-05-02 12:37:21 -0500 Report

I heard on NPR from a representative of CDC this Saturday morning (May 2) that over 36,000 people die annually from "regular strains" of the flu, and that, furthermore, Mexico was downgrading the number of confirmed cases of swine flu. You all know how many deaths there have been from Swine flu so far. The 24-hour press had, as is its fashion, hyper-reported this event, in my opinion, an we, the public, over-reacted.

We diabetics, due to our compromised immune systems, should always follow these Infection Control practices (hospital workers and anyone employed in the foodservice industry receive ongoing trraining as part of the accreditation process. WASH YOUR HANDS after going to the bathroom, touching your face, sneezing, touching your hair, or blowing your nose, or entering the kitchen (or patient's room). LAther for 20 seconds.

I always say to the public, "Throw away the kitchen sponge. Sponges are never used in institutional kitchens. They are not sold in restuarant supply businesses. We use what are called BAR TOWELS. These are stored in a bucket of bleach water (2 tablespoons bleach per gallon of water) between use, and the solution is remade when dirty." I know there has been talk about microwaving sponges but most kitchens I have worked in do not have microwave ovens (except in employee lounges).

Besides washing our hands, we need to get enough rest, eat correctly, and don't stress or panic (too much).

And, get your regular flu shot if your doc advises it.

Big Dave
Big Dave 2009-05-02 14:04:57 -0500 Report

Ah, a voice of reason and sanity in a world that has neither!

It's incredible what people will believe what the media spews from their consoles each and every day! What ever happened to common sense in this country?

GabbyPA 2009-05-02 20:35:57 -0500 Report

This has turned out to be pretty much a joke. Not to say that the loss of life is ever a joke, but far more people die from the everyday strains we face each winter. It is just so blown out of perportion. It is good to pay attention, but don't panic or even really get too bent out of shape. I know that a pandemic is coming, it is just a matter of time. I don't believe this is even close. I bet it is just the pharmacutical companies needing to drum up a little income.

Quiet Water
Quiet Water 2009-05-02 11:59:49 -0500 Report

I have type 2 diabities, and people with this, do they have to be very carefully? and how do we protect ourselves from getting this nasty flu?

mamaoak 2009-05-02 11:29:50 -0500 Report

no the current shot will not help.just wash your hands stay away from crowds put the alcohal swabs or the bottle of disinfectant in your pocket put it on when you have gone shopping. in fall i wear gloves.

Celia - 38478
Celia - 38478 2009-05-02 11:18:58 -0500 Report

I read yesterday they think the worst is over. I don't know if I should believe it or not. I live in Arizona really close to the Mexican border. A friend was told if any one comes in with even a sniffle the plant will be closed. They manufacture baby products and are not willing to take a chance. Eveyone here is taking it in stride. Hang in there everyone we will get through this.

Petrea 2009-05-02 11:13:39 -0500 Report

I got a call yesterday afternoon from the school district that one child in the high school was at school & was showing symptoms of flu. They are following what the CDC instructed & shut down the school thru Monday until they get results from the tests. If it is the swine flu, they will shut down the schools for 2 weeks & sanitize the school before they let the kids back. I am worried about my niece as she has fibro.,is a teenager & not consistent about washing her hands or not taking a "bite" & sharing each other's food.

ladyhighhat 2009-05-02 15:54:02 -0500 Report

Right now it is not a big thing in my part of Georgia. However, I try to keep my teen from sharing drinks and food with friends. I have tried to explain not only about the flu but other bugs that can be picked up. I hope your niece's school is not found to have the swine flu.

Petrea 2009-05-05 01:48:07 -0500 Report

It was a falso alarm & the kids were sent back to school today (thank goodness). The boy was real sick, but just didn't turn out to be the flu. I think all the announcements about washing your hands all the time & not sharing each other's food might be getting through to the kids though. I gave my niece a small hand sanitizer to put in her purse as she was headed out the door and she even said thanks & didn't even roll her eyes! lol

yeager 2009-05-02 10:38:44 -0500 Report

i am drinking hot lemon and staying in bed using laptop,
watching tv and since its raining let my dog inside too
ps also relit my heater&..got plenty of soup so i think
i will be ok.

mamaoak 2009-05-02 11:14:24 -0500 Report

i hope all escape this flu. not sure if i want the vacination when it is ready because of the nerve damage it gave some people the last time they made it.dont need to have extra problems i will take my chances keep washing my hand and use the alcohal wipes after i leave a store or any where. all so i use gloves in fall in winter when i go shoping helps.

mamaoak 2009-05-02 11:18:03 -0500 Report

hope its not the new flew bug H1N1. take care of your self get some tamaflu pills good luck. hugs

mamaoak 2009-04-28 17:20:50 -0500 Report

no vaczuine yet this year flue faczine will not help so they say.

GabbyPA 2009-04-28 18:24:25 -0500 Report

If it takes up to 9 months to develop a vaccine, why are they talking about preparing for phase 5 where mandatory vaccination would be implemented? They don't even have a vaccine to cover this, shoot, they are not even sure of what they have. I would not get a vaccination...protect yourself with the CDC recommendations. I would not trust a vaccine this close to the outbreak.

GabbyPA 2009-04-28 10:27:19 -0500 Report

I just got an update from WebMD on the swine flu. It has a lot of FAQ's for you to check out.

Also, if you are looking for masks, let me know. I sell the N95's and the N100's that filter our 99.97% of particulates. Don't just get a dust mask if you get a mask, they don't have a good seal.

tabby9146 2009-05-02 19:51:32 -0500 Report

how much per mask?

GabbyPA 2009-05-02 20:30:19 -0500 Report

my N95's are 1.75 each and should be changed every day during an event where you are concerned about contraction. The N100's are about $13.00 each and you can reuse them for several days.

Avera 2009-04-27 22:32:25 -0500 Report

Hello Everyone,

I just got an alert from my Medical News Site. Here it is. I cut and pasted it here.

**WHO Raises Pandemic Level for Swine Flu, Mexican Death Toll Mounts**

The World Health Organization has raised its pandemic alert level for swine influenza to phase 4, signifying human-to-human transmission of a virus able to sustain communitywide outbreaks. Meanwhile, the number of deaths attributed to swine flu in Mexico has increased to 149, the number of confirmed cases in the United States has doubled to 40, and cases have also been reported in Spain, Scotland, and Canada.
Medscape Medical News, April 27, 2009

GabbyPA 2009-04-27 10:09:28 -0500 Report

I know none of the cases here in the US have been fatal, or even close, as our strain seems to be a very mild one. The problem is that this is a combined virus that contains strains that include avian, swine and human. Thus the transfer from human to human. Though it usually has to start with direct contact with pigs. CDC has published some easy to follow steps to reduce your risk for getting it.

Big Dave
Big Dave 2009-05-02 13:56:31 -0500 Report

Because of the pig involvement with this disease, the Egyptian gov't has decided to kill every pig in that country: approx 300,000. I think this is absolutely incredible, and horrible, to say the least! It has not been determined one way or the other that contact with pigs has anything top do with this disease.

Big Dave

kdroberts 2009-04-27 09:48:21 -0500 Report

They've had a vaccine for it for over 30 years and there have been outbreaks before. You may have even been vaccinated against it if you had a flu vaccination in 1976. It's just been such a minor strain that it's never been included in the regular vaccine since then. There are a few cases in the US every year but nothing significant. From what I understand they are going to put the strain in the 09/10 flu vaccine and if it becomes a big issue soon they will start to offer a vaccine for swine flu.

Oh, Tamiflu and Relenza seem to be pretty good as treatments for this strain.

2009-04-27 20:36:55 -0500 Report

If you were vaccinated back in 76 for it, that vaccine won't protect you against it. It's no longer effective.

kdroberts 2009-04-27 21:23:50 -0500 Report

True, but word on the CDC street is that while it wont be an effective vaccine people who had it may be slightly better off than those who didn't.

2009-04-27 20:54:32 -0500 Report

Tamiflu and the other influenza drugs can only be given in the first 48 hours of the illness. I am in day 6 today so I couldn't have it, lots of possible side effects.

The CDC is only allowing testing on people that have been to Mexico, Southern CA, or Texas in the 7 days before they became sick or where with people that are sick that were there. They are overwhelmed with testing my doctor said today. I was in CA but mostly in the north but through many questions and answers today he feels (and I agree) that I got this during my long flights and long layovers in the airports on Monday 4/20. People get sick 24-48 hours after exposure and that's exactly what happened to me.. Home Monday night, sick on Wednesday. While we don't know if it's Swine flu because of the limits on testing, they are treating me as if it is, mask, isolation at the doctor's office, no work until next week and a direct line to my doc if the chest congestion gets worse. Don't have pneumonia yet that's good, I'm not sure I like the yet in his statement though.


Sarge - 28427
Sarge - 28427 2009-05-02 10:55:00 -0500 Report

I was in the army stationed at Ft Bragg.NC back in 76 when the first swine flu outbreak came. They made us take the new,untested vacine. It was this is a direct order, get the shot or go to the stockade. I took the shot. That night I had the most awful reaction. I was lyingin bed not feeling too good when the ceiling and walls started colapsing in on me. But as I understand it, there were several deaths from that vacine too. Just another case where the govt uses our military as guinea pigs. Im currently fighting to get a VA disability for the Nerve Agent Pre Treatment Pill they made me take during Desert Shield back in 90. It was another untested drug the army thought would help us build up an immunity to nerve gas. The govt just recently finally admitted that there was such a pill given to us Gulf War soldiers and have allowed claims for damages. I got a twitch in my left eye, breathing difficulties, and lost the feeling in my finger tips. I now have a breathing problem they are calling asthma but what it is is that my automatic breathing thing stops and I have to tell myself to breath. Tell me thats asthma. they even tried to say it was sleep apnea. I said how can it be sleep apnea when Im awake when it happens? Oh and they say the numbness in all my fingertips is carpal tunnel syndrum. Oh well. thats my rant for now. Jack U.S. Army (ret)

PAT L 2009-05-02 11:20:07 -0500 Report

Sorry to hear about your problems, but dont feel by your self for I have 2 other friends that have the same like problems. I dont know if you heard, but I only heard it once, on the news but this flu is a mix if regular flu - bird flu - an swine flu- an they have come up with a couple of ways it could have gotten mixed, but this does not sound like a thing that nature would do…an it comes right after all the tea partys that happened across the usa.. that means no more large groups of people, for they will be afraid of getting the new flu. this maybe a downer, but i remember getting all those shots just like you did,,,for other things, anyway hang jack an I will think of you,, hope every thing works out…pat

Big Dave
Big Dave 2009-05-02 13:50:16 -0500 Report


I think the drug you were given for Nerve Agent Pre-Treatment was a drug used to treat Myesthenia Gravis called pyridostigmine bromide, or Mestinon. It is an acetylcholine esterase inhibitor and it functions to lessen the severity of muscle weakness that people afflicted with this disease suffer from. The reason it works for nerve gas is the same reason it works for MG patients. I hope that there is someone on this thread that can explain it better than I can, so I will leave that duty to them.
I was given this drug for the treatment of constipation caused by the narcotics I have to take for the treatment of my chronic pain. The drug helps retain the water that is lost in the gut as a result of narcotics. It actually works, too. I had horrible constipation until I started using this stuff. I used it for several years until I stopped due to a geographical moved caused me to have to switch my pain management doctor, The new doc suggested I stop using the stuff because of the adverse side affects that you now suffer from. I guess I dodged that bullet because I don't have any negative long term side affects from using the stuff for as long as I did.
I just thought I would mention this to you for your information, as I don't think I added anything constructive to this thread.

Big Dave

Jerry M Bell
Jerry M Bell 2009-05-02 15:20:42 -0500 Report

well i was in karlsruhe Germany and i refused to take the flu shot and was told if i got it i would be courtmarshall
it cause 2500 death and several 100 leg problem
that time i was smarter than the army

marvinvwinkle 2009-04-27 08:34:38 -0500 Report

I called my dr on Friday and was told not to worry about it. They had just got the notification and there was not a vaccine.

2009-04-27 06:48:32 -0500 Report

Good Morning, No the annual flu shots DO NOT protect you from this. They have started developing a vaccine for this strain but it will be months or years until they have one.

I am going to the doctor today to be checked for this as I just returned from CA last week and have had the flu since last Wed. :( Scary stuff.

Debe Pendice
Debe Pendice 2009-04-27 06:59:17 -0500 Report

Judy, Let me know what your MD has to tell you. I hope you feel alot better today. I know how miserable I was when I was sick. ((HUGS)) Debe
P.S. Let me know what you find out about that swine flu!!

2009-04-27 08:05:54 -0500 Report

Ditto Debe. Judy, please let us know what the doctor tells you today. I know all will be okay. Hugs and feel better!