Need advice

By rolly123 Latest Reply 2014-08-20 16:02:45 -0500
Started 2014-08-12 19:05:27 -0500

I got home on 4 aug started eat healthy meals no sweets! I don't know what doing wrong breakfast bran cereal w skim milk lunch grain bread honey with sand meat cheese tom let with miracle whip supper meat veg potatoe desert diet pudding lots water but sugar still over 200 morn fast in 150 to 160 and I'm exercising! Why sugar still hi I'm going c Ditian on 26 do need anything for visit! What I'm doing wrong

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ReaderReader12 2014-08-20 16:02:45 -0500 Report

We do egg whites for breakfast and I put in onions, tomato, mushrooms or whatever we like no bread, lunch is salad or a wrap with a low carb 4gm wrap maybe turkey, cheese, lettuce, tomato I like to leave off the mayo ( I am strange that way), dinner if we have a potato it is a sweet potato, usually it is a veggie, salad and a meat of some kind. I sure don't have the answers and can only speak for myself and what seems to be working for me. I have cut back on all my carbs and it is going well. Best of luck to you.

Trudie Ann
Trudie Ann 2014-08-17 18:58:30 -0500 Report

Hi Rolly: I am sorry to see how someone tries to cause problems. I hope you read my comment about what my endocrinologist ( who is a specialist ) said. I don't know what type of Dr. this guy is but I will listen to my specialist. Please don't let this keep you from asking questions. I know we are all different and react different to foods and meds. but it helped me immensely to know about others and what they are going through. You are the best. Keep them questions coming. I don't get to use my computer a lot lately but I will try to check and see what you have posted. I am looking foward to it. Sending you Love and Prayers.

Vhm 2014-08-14 20:49:52 -0500 Report

Rolly I agree with others: grains, potatoes, bran cereal and all in one day? Not to mention any veg (in addition to the potato) or fruit you may have consumed. All of these are carbs. Even if you're exercising there's only so much of an ameliorating impact that has; cut some carbs. Start with cutting the starchy veg (potatoes), cold breakfast cereal and bread. You should see a difference right away.

whipper75229 2014-08-14 13:40:49 -0500 Report

I'm with Type1Lou. You may think you are eating healthy, but those carbs add up fast. Bran cereal, skim milk, bread, honey, miracle whip, potatoes…all are heavy carb and will drive your sugar up. Even diet pudding is not carb free. My biggest advice is to eat to your meter (Check your blood sugar before you eat and two hours after a meal - that's two hours after you put the first bite in your mouth) - and start keeping a food diary. You will quickly learn what foods raise your blood sugar. You will have to alter the way you eat and using your meter and the food diary will help you with that. I know it will be hard, but you'll find there are thousands and thousands of recipes online to help you on your journey. Everyone is different and what works for one may not work for another. Don't give up - it is worth the efforts! We have all been there and will be here for you!

rolly123 2014-08-14 14:08:12 -0500 Report

Thk I started journaling everything I eat ! I was put on med that raises blood sugar and weight not looking forward to it so got get stricter with thing

whipper75229 2014-08-14 14:16:16 -0500 Report

I would keep in touch with your doctor - and maybe a nutritionist. Tell your doctor about your meds and your reaction and all of the things discussed here. That is most important. Together you can develop a plan that is right for you. Don't try to do it yourself. There is SO much help available. Use it! :)

Glucerna 2014-08-14 14:52:30 -0500 Report

I want to second whipper75229's idea to talk with your doctor and ask for a referral to a registered dietitian who works with diabetes. They'll help you figure out the best way to structure meal plans and food choices that fits your situation. Journaling is a great first step! ~Lynn @Glucerna

Glucerna 2014-08-15 13:50:13 -0500 Report

I'm glad you have an appointment with a registered dietitian. Bring your glucometer so she can review your blood sugar records. It's helpful to keep a 3-day food journal and bring it with you. Write down the time you eat, where you're eating (work, home, restaurant, etc) and what you eat. Let us know what you learn! ~Lynn @Glucerna

rolly123 2014-08-15 20:44:56 -0500 Report

Thk for what bring I have ap that dis connect that keeps track of sugar and carb this I will bring its on my phone

rolly123 2014-08-14 10:45:42 -0500 Report

I had one but I moved so much I lost it in process question if Apple is 23 isn't that half carb for meal

Type1Lou 2014-08-15 12:52:55 -0500 Report

A medium sized apple is 23 total carbohydrate grams. If you want to use the carbohydrate exchange method, 1 fruit exchange equals 15 carbohydrate grams, so, a 23 gram apple would equal a little more than 1 and one half carbohydrate exchanges. The apple I had for lunch today had 30 total grams of carb or the equivalent of 2 carb exchanges. It's soooo much easier to just track the total carb grams than to figure out carb exchanges, IMHO. I'm with Steve (haoleboy) on ditching the exchanges and using total carb grams.

haoleboy 2014-08-14 10:58:35 -0500 Report

my suggestion is to ignore the stupid carb exchange thing. Count total carbohydrates and you will be much better off, a medium sized apple is 25 total carbohydrates. Do you have a daily carbohydrate total that you are trying not to exceed?

Type1Lou 2014-08-13 12:59:45 -0500 Report

Hi Rolly! My initial impression is that you are not keeping track of the carbohydrates that you are consuming. Carbohydrates are, in large part, what cause higher blood sugars. The bran cereal, the grain bread with honey and the potato are all high-carb items. Even though I'm not a doctor, I'll suggest replacing your morning cereal with protein like eggs or ham. If you must eat bread, try to buy the thin sliced bread and only eat one slice rather than 2. My advice to you is to become carbohydrate aware. Determine how many carbs you are currently eating at each meal. Then lower those total carbohydrates and you should see a corresponding improvement in your blood sugars. Another benefit to lower carbohydrate consumption would be weight loss. Take it bit by bit until you acheive the desired results. No one can tell you what the right amount of carbs for you is since it depends on age, weight, height, gender, activity and metabolism. I've found that 120 total carbohydrate grams per day works for me. I am a 5'3" 65 year old, moderately active female who weighs 120 pounds. Even among the "so-called" experts, there is disagreement about how many carbs is the "right amount". I became aware of the role carbohydrates play in diabetes control after reading Dr Richard Bernstein's book "Diabetes Solution". Himself a Type 1 diabetic, Dr Bernstein runs a clinic in New York and developed this approach to control his own diabetes. It works!

rolly123 2014-08-13 18:46:52 -0500 Report

I read that 15 carb equal 1 carbs is that right

Type1Lou 2014-08-14 08:06:27 -0500 Report

Fifteen grams of carbohydrate is often referred to a one carbohydrate exchange. I personally prefer to track my carbs using the total of the carbohydrate grams rather than the exchanges since there is less room for error. Different categories of exchanges have different carb values. Per Gary Scheiner, in "Think Like a Pancreas" Here's how the different exchanges convert to carbohydrate grams: 1 Bread exchange = 15 grams, 1 Fruit exchange = 15 grams, 1 Milk exchange = 12 grams, 1 Vegetable exchange = 5 grams and the meat and fat exchanges have 0 grams. The problem is knowing what falls into each category and even there, one exchange of green beans will have fewer carbs than one exchange of corn . Depending upon its size, one banana may be 1, 1.5 or even 2 exchanges. That's why I don't care to use the "exchange" method.

rolly123 2014-08-14 08:19:08 -0500 Report

Thanks Lou that explain a lot ! I added my carb yesterday it was very high got work to do ! I appreciate u explaining to me other

Type1Lou 2014-08-14 10:42:48 -0500 Report

I am so happy it helped…there's a lot to learn about good diabetes management and it is not always made clear to us and can be confusing. Several years ago, I was given a Digital Nutrition Scale by a friend. It comes with a booklet with different food codes. By putting in the correct code, you weigh the food and the scale gives you the nutritional info, including the carb grams. I use it nearly every day to weigh the apple I eat for lunch, slathered with 12 carbohydrate grams of all natural peanut butter. Because apples vary greatly in size, the carb count can vary between 23 grams and 33 grams. The same would hold true for most fruit and veggies. My scale came from Target some years back but Amazon is selling one on-line. I'd be lost without my scale.

DrJohn 2014-08-13 06:47:02 -0500 Report

This should not be discussed here. This forum is for support, not for medical advice. You should be talking to your doctor or diabetic educator.

jayabee52 2014-08-13 15:37:05 -0500 Report

I respectfully disagree John. It is for support, of course, yet the support which is given can be help folks to untangle their meal plans and get their BG levels under better control. Rolly was not asking for medication but Menu planning, areas in which most MDs are quite weak. (That is why they often refer folks to RDs or CDEs).

I agree that he should pe pointed to MDs for advice and consultation on problems relating to medications, however, MDs do have their limits and sometimes a forum like this is a good way to suggest to folks a way to tweak their treatment.

What is more, John, declaring this topic as not to be discussed before determining the cause of his high BG by asking questions is a bit of hubris. Your cleanup may be that "since he is not my patient I cannot Dx him". However to declare a topic off-limits rather defeats the purpose of this whole site.

Trudie Ann
Trudie Ann 2014-08-15 20:01:16 -0500 Report

I agree with you Jayabee52, and Type 1 Lou. but when I clicked like on you two it also posted a like on the other person, for that I am sorry. Yes everyone should talk to their doctor and their diabetic educator, but when we talk with each other we also learn from their experiences and know more about what we need to ask our doctor and professionals about. When I went to see my endo for my first visit she was so impressed at my questions that she just sat down and took the time to explain all the answers, and I had a lot of questions. She agreed with me that we should talk with other diabetics so we can explore any and all problems that may come up, resolve any questions, and know what to look for if we experience any of the problems others have had.
So yes, this is the BEST place to discuss it, right here on the Diabetic Connect Forum.

Type1Lou 2014-08-16 13:28:58 -0500 Report

Trudie Ann…I've noticed that Dr John's original comment now has "0" Likes…so it looks like it's been fixed…but I did notice earlier that it had 2 likes…I've noticed that sometimes when I hit "Reply" to reply to a comment, it doesn't always go under the comment I'm trying to reply to…some DC gremlins no doubt.

Trudie Ann
Trudie Ann 2014-08-17 18:44:41 -0500 Report

Well I tried again and clicked like and it went on his again. So I hope they fix it again. I won't click any more likes on this one. I learned my lesson.

Type1Lou 2014-08-15 12:41:46 -0500 Report

Amen James! Rolly is a she and she was unaware of the roll carbohydrates plays in BG control as evidenced by her follow-up questions. If we can help someone on the road to better control, we should not be muzzled. I try to temper my suggestions with the qualifications "What works for me…" I don't presume to offer medical advice but where was the medical advice that Rolly needed long before now?

rolly123 2014-08-15 13:33:04 -0500 Report

Lou I didn't have insurance for medical when I got it the Ditian went in Florida didn't talk about carb and when I was first diag I didn't understand and didn't ask question I ate anything was in denial a lot had nobody understand this disease so I ate mostly calories count so I appreciate help in getting to Ditian this at 26 going be on time so get explanation

Type1Lou 2014-08-15 14:49:59 -0500 Report

There is so much to learn about managing our diabetes and it can be overwhelming. I've had it for 38 years and 4 years ago, I had gotten sloppy with my carb counting and needed to be re-educated about it. You're on the path to learning as much as you can which is good. Keep track of what works for you. I was told by a medical professional that I don't eat enough carbohydrates and that I'll lose brain cells. I choose to continue with my low-carb approach because it works for me and so far, I don't think I've declined in my mental capabilities. There is a very large component of self-management in diabetes and, ultimately, with the right information, we know what is right for us.

Trudie Ann
Trudie Ann 2014-08-15 20:06:05 -0500 Report

Ok, I would like to say that I would click like on all of these post, Type 1 Lou, Rolly123, and Jayabee52 but it just put another like on the other person whom I disagree with so I just want yau'll all to know that I do like what you have said.

haoleboy 2014-08-13 14:37:50 -0500 Report

"This should not be discussed here. This forum is for support, not for medical advice."
Now what fun would that be John?

rolly123 2014-08-13 07:18:22 -0500 Report

It's not medical just asking why

DrJohn 2014-08-13 08:01:39 -0500 Report

Yes it is medical!

DrJohn 2014-08-14 07:04:31 -0500 Report

Here are some medical reasons we don't know of:
1. Is this person type 1 or type 2?
2. If type 2, on what medications and what dose?
3. If type 1, how much insulin is being taken for how many carbs.
4. is this person allergic to wheat? If one eats wheat when allergic, it can cause high bg.

jayabee52 2014-08-15 13:15:54 -0500 Report

John, If you notice that many of us ask folks like Rolly about those sorts of questions. None of us claims to be a Physician but those of us who are managing our BG levels for a long time are fully capable of suggesting what has worked for us in the past with the understanding that it may not work for them.

Most of us suggest to the folks to whom we write that they should consult with their MD, RD or CDE.

jayabee52 2014-08-13 02:15:40 -0500 Report

Howdy Rolly
I could pick apart your menu, but I don't want this to be "Pick on Rolly time".

I would say that if your BG levels are not coming down, you might wish to take a more radical approach to what you eat.

Perhaps you might like to try a meal plan like I had done more than 3 yrs ago to manage my BG levels without the use of diabetes meds. I'd be happy to share it should you request. Not saying it will stop your need to use insulin, but it will help you manage your BG and perhaps even reduce the amount you need to take.

Praying that whatever happens you get your BG under better control!


rolly123 2014-08-12 19:45:11 -0500 Report

I'm measuring but in cereal getting cup! I'm testing sugar at night and very high! In morn high also I was on vacation and recorded all my sugar records and tried I got the patience ! I m trying real hard eat better before vacation my sugar was good but took extra insulin and ate crappy want not do that any more want eat great and stay low on insulin so maybe get off it

haoleboy 2014-08-12 20:04:17 -0500 Report

I know you really want to get a handle on this and you know you have a lot of people here pulling for you.
my experience has been that diabetes never takes a vacation (or a day off for that matter) so as long as it is "on duty" so am I.
watch your portions carefully (something I struggle with every day). record your total carbs per meal and as you get enough of this information recorded hopefully you will see patterns emerge. That is how I figured out I just cannot eat white potatoes, corn, pastas or rice of any sort.
Keep at it and rededicate yourself every morning to being as healthy as possible for that day. Eventually it becomes habit and eating healthy becomes easier than eating the bad stuff that heled get us here.


rolly123 2014-08-12 20:08:00 -0500 Report

Thks I will not take vacation for long time it really mess u up! Be honest was always on vacation with it guess in denial being dibetic though go away guese not !

haoleboy 2014-08-12 19:37:36 -0500 Report

are you measuring that cereal? very few of us actually pour a 1/2 cup serving of cereal (it really is very little).
measure/weigh all food items and calculate as accurately as possible the total grams of carbs for every meal.
are you testing before going to bed? perhaps you are getting a sizable glucose dump from you liver in the night.
might also be that you didn't start eating healthy until the 4th .(what's up with that by the way?) improvements take time (and dedication)

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