Stimulus Package; Good Or Bad; What Do You Feel

By Latest Reply 2009-03-23 15:25:13 -0500
Started 2009-02-22 07:30:26 -0600

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beauty416 2009-03-23 15:25:13 -0500 Report

I read on the internet that the stimulus package that Obama has will cause the country to go bankrupt. That is not good for us poor citizens living here.

Frustrated mom
Frustrated mom 2009-03-17 10:45:24 -0500 Report

I am on the fence with this one…I just do not see how it is going to help us…My daughter attends college at this time, she can not get any grants because we make too much money, she is 20 yrs old and does not want our help, but can not get help…so she will graduate with debt up to her eye balls…and health care scares me, we have a son that is ill and will always need health ins, but after he is on his own, what happens if he can not get good health coverage because of his illness? This is just a scary time for all…Now is the time to be prayed up…

2009-03-18 05:51:14 -0500 Report

My daughter just graduated from college in November, 2008. She, too, had to borrow student loans, because we did have a savings enough to help her. We did what we could, insurance covered her though, since she was in college. She,too, is very independent and won't take help unless it is absolutely necessary.

She has 638.00 a month in loans alone, and finally found a good job, and started 2 weeks ago. Until then she worked wherever she could, whenever.
She can't even afford an apartment yet, but is looking to get one, with her best friend.
I go online every day to find a grant to help her.
As for their future, all the money and time they have invested in a career may not have a social security at their retirement. The thought of that just upsets me so bad. I guess people are going to have to work as long as they possibly can, and save every penny they can from day one of their jobs. Especially the young ones just getting into the workforce.

highlandcitygirl 2009-03-17 10:34:16 -0500 Report

i have never seen such a big mess in all my life! how does government and big business get away with what we tax payers cannot?

Lanore 2009-03-17 12:28:49 -0500 Report

Because they think they are above the law…it will catch up with them sooner or later. I have no use for any of them. Honesty it's awful!!! I hate seeing what this is doing to us all. We will all pay for what he is doing. Higher taxes are coming it already being talked about…

GabbyPA 2009-03-01 18:58:12 -0600 Report

It is not really JUST the president. It is Congress and all the puppiteers that run them. They have filled the stimulus with horrible things. Take some time to go and read some of the "sepcial interest" earmarks in it. And really, it is not even that. It is the rushed pressure and the co-hersion of the "no" votes that is really frigtening.

I am unfortunatly, one who had to learn the hard way to live within my means. I had great credit and a great job and I used them both freely. I started to loose income and all of the sudden my bills were bigger than I could afford. For 2 years I kept telling myself that things would get better. As my savings dwindled and my retirement paid my bills. We have learned as a family that you cannot borrow into security.

I heard an interview with a Senetor (sorry his name and party escape me, but it doesn't matter) He said to his interviewer that the economy of the nation does not run like a household. The Nation needs to borrow to become rich and show that we have power. OMG...I couldn't believe his words. And I am sure he is not alone.

Like LadyDi said. You need to research for yourself. Don't believe a stitch from the Big 3 networks...they are soft and in pockets they don't belong in. Same with your newspapers that are mainstream.
Besides, we don't need the media to tell us how things are going. We know. And if we don't know, then our heads are in the sand. And when our heads are in the sand our butts are in the air...ready to be kicked.

2009-03-02 04:42:26 -0600 Report

Again,Gabby, well stated. I just wanted to add that we can not put all the blame on the last president (even though I did not care for him either); he has a lot of presidents before him that had a hand in the fall of the deficit as well. No one person is to blame, and he does not make the final decision, he signs the bills after they are passed through the senate and so on.

Although, no one really knew what was involved in this bill; they seemed to have passed it anyway, what, were they afraid to open their mouths? IDK,

As you have probably figured out, I do not know much about politics, But I have learned how to live on limited income over 30 years ago, and raise a child alone. At that time, and it has helped me to keep level headed about budgeting and spending now. I am not perfect, if I had a chance to go to the casinos tomorrow, I sure may take it. But, I would have to think hard first.
That is my annual birthday present choice, if I want to go, and that is at the end of this month. I will have time to think about it. Have not gone in 2-3 years though.

Lanore 2009-03-16 09:12:47 -0500 Report

Are we watching the news…and all the reports on how these big company are spending OUR tax money???? This is why I am against it!!! Good ex AIG Enough said. It is not right. I would love to know how this is helping me/us.

Blooter 2009-03-16 10:58:47 -0500 Report

I think the million dollar bonus plan is disgusting and I think our government should demand repayment on that loan NOW. We as taxpayers should not be paying big bonuses to those who brought about the failure of their company.

cmerkin 2009-02-27 16:40:18 -0600 Report

Any stimulus is better than nothing. the previuous administration screwed the whole world economy. Have some faith ion your new President. He is very smart and is compassionate. Give him some time to fix things and we will see improvement someday…hopefully sooner than later.

Lanore 2009-03-01 14:23:08 -0600 Report

I'm not so sure… and i dont think the old president caused ALL of the problems we are having now. Even though i votedfor ihm i was not happy with everything he did.

Pauline B
Pauline B 2009-02-25 21:27:36 -0600 Report

I have gone to Olympia twice this legilslative session to lobby for issues that were important to me, and I keep track of what bills are going into hearings so I can send my Representatives and Senator my opinions on how to vote. The American Cancer Society, AARP, and American Association of University Women have active PACs that keep me informed when bills of interest are going to be voted upon so I can send my DC Congressmen(women) my support. Interestingly, though I am a member also of American Diabetic Association, I seldom receive any emails from their Political Action Committee (if they have one). I gripe along with everyone else about the confusion and fear of the way America is heading, and how/who/why we are in the mess we're in, and have no solutions. But I try make my voice heard using the resouces at hand.

LadyDi - 26259Miller
LadyDi - 26259Miller 2009-02-25 22:59:06 -0600 Report

That's exactly what we all have to be doing. No one has all the answers to all the problems we now face, but the things you mention are definitely ways we can be involved and speak our piece.
Trying to stay abreast of what we face today is important, but we also have to realize that all that we are fed by the media - which is the primary source for many of us, if not most - cannot be trusted. Most of us do not do the extensive research that is required to really grasp and understand the various issues at hand.

I am a registered independent - have voted both ways over my many voting years. I hope people can look beyond party lines and pray that those "in the know" and "in charge" will be able to help us and guide us to a better place, and soon.

Anonymous 2009-02-26 05:13:44 -0600 Report

And by giving up all the stuff we have that we "quote" don't need, we may be setting ourselves up for a worse fall.
Some of the things mentioned, will put more workers out of work, and these people, cable and internet along with telephone installers and such are middle class people who have families to support just like the rest of us.
I agree to stop buying silly games, but you might as well play the ones you have.
You can always try to sell them, but how much are you going to get, and who is going to buy them.
I think if you put something on ebay, now you are taking (mostly buying) a risk because people do need money, and many will sell whatever they can. Who do you think is going to benefit, the seller or the buyer. Not the buyer, right now it is too risky, because you really might not get what you were promised.

The financial affairs are far beyond our fix, but we only have our selves to blame for not having what we might have had at one time. But, foreclosures, who can afford high interest rates without a job.

As for our children who worked so hard to make a future for themselves', I think they deserve bailouts with high interest student loans. They are already too far in debt before their careers begin. It is like denying them their rights to even start a new life.
And for mothers' who want to fight to help their children, YOU GO GIRL!

Blooter 2009-02-26 13:02:52 -0600 Report

I don't think you should have to give up anything you can afford. I am only speaking of those that want all the extras but cannot afford them. I am putting off my schooling for a while as I save to pay for it, so why should my taxes help pay for someone who didn't do that? I use the computer at the Library because I cannot afford to pay for Internet at home. I don't have a game boy or play station because I cannot afford one. I live within my means and just wish others would do the same.
Believe me I do not begrudge those who are unable to care for themselves but for the college girls who need a handout… may I suggest service work. There is always a need there and I might add a very rewarding service is to work with the elderly or the disabled American Veterans.
Please all you Mothers and Fathers teach your children to rely on their abilities rather than handouts from the government. We are what is crippling our country, those who think they are entitled to these handouts…Check out the mother who just gave birth to eight and look at those fancy fingernails … yet she needs handouts to feed her children and the saddest thing is she will get it.

2009-03-13 07:25:34 -0500 Report

In response, mothers have a right to try to help their children, especially if the children have worked hard themselves

Blooter 2009-03-15 02:06:08 -0500 Report

Lilmarm, If by chance you were referring to me first let me say that I know something about you from reading your post but I have no personal vendetta against you or anyone and was not speaking to anyone in particular. I was not aware this was about you … but assumed it was about the topic of the president, whom I feel is being judged a bit early in his administration. If we were judged so quickly in our personal jobs I am sure we would want a little less criticism and a lot more support. That is all I am saying …we should support the president even if we don't agree with all his actions and believe me there is a lot that I don't agree with but…neither do I have a solution to our problems.
Depending on which news program you watch the story is different … some agree and think things are getting better and some think we are all headed for disaster. I think we will all have to wait and see and complaining is not helping the economy at all. I have always been taught that if you are not part of the solution then you are part of the problem. Just as our country cannot borrow their way out of this problem neither can we as individuals. If you do not have the ability to pay your bills then simply do not make them. If everyone lived within their means many of those who are losing their homes would not be in that position today. I know people who have inherited money and spent it like it would last forever … never thinking about tomorrow but spending like fools and today they are reaping what they sowed. I think we are putting far too much money in bailing out the banks but I can only hope those that are in charge are doing what is right for us all. I simply do not have the knowledge to offer solutions to the crisis we are facing but I do have the ability to keep myself out of debt. I will weather this storm and pray for our president that he is making sound decisions and if everyone would do that rather than complain they would be part of the solution. I believe in the power of prayer.

Blooter 2009-03-16 10:11:47 -0500 Report

Wait a mim. if you read my comment I said "I know something about you from reading your post but I have no personal vendetta against you or anyone and was not speaking to anyone in particular" Why make this about you or your husband? My comment was about the stimulus package and the president. Why you choose to take it personally says a whole lot about you. Please believe me I do not know you nor care too, I was responding to a topic not you. Mayhaps you need to relax and realize you are not the only one that wrote a comment.

Blooter 2009-03-16 10:36:35 -0500 Report

No problem but if you attack the mean nosey relative as you did me maybe that explains it all.

2009-03-16 15:58:30 -0500 Report

I have already blocked all my user info; and profile, I will no longer be offering anything to this site.

Blooter 2009-03-18 08:28:55 -0500 Report

I think enough has been said since the person you are speaking of is not part of this conversation and I am sure there are two sides to the story. Please leave me out of your problems with your relative.

2009-02-25 04:42:08 -0600 Report

When I heard on the news that people aged under 40 will not have any social security to look forward too, I just cried; my kids, all of them who have worked part time since 14 and full time since age 16 will not get anything for their time put in.
And we were trying to teach them the value of a dollar, what the h…; who would have thought that their would not be any dollars for their hard work, or jobs as they just finished college. Money to pay back for student loans.
Of course they did work full time during college to pay, and pay=rent,utilities, gas, car payments, insurance and just knowing they were getting a career,and they could soon make the challenge easier. Huh, no jobs there and 650.00 a month worth of student loans to pay back.
Who is going to help them? I have written my senator, governor, and commander in chief for help for people like my daughters.
Oh, yeah, help the education system aquire loans, what about the ones who got these loans in the past two years with high interest rates. Who will help them?

GabbyPA 2009-02-25 08:06:44 -0600 Report

The thing is that the government is not the one who should be "helping". They are only to protect us and up hold our freedoms afforded us in the Constitution. They are not our persoal money cow. They own us the more money they give us, and the more they take away. We willingly give up our liberties for a few bucks, and that is what they plan on.
And in response to your question above. Yep, keep writing to them, find people around you who think as you do. Get a group together, have meetings and come up with ideas to continue the pressure on your PUBLIC SERVANTS..yes, they are your servants. They are supposed to do what we say, as long as the Constitution is not violated.
I could go one for days....I won't, but you get my drift. We have to take action. Find a way to get involved. Don't ever think that just once voice won't be will, when you start yelling loud enough.

Blooter 2009-02-25 13:14:43 -0600 Report

Gee ya'll the man has only been in office a few weeks, lets not give up on the US so quickly. I didn't vote for Obama, but he is my president and I will support him and give him a chance to make a difference rather than sit back and complain when he hasn't had a chance yet to make a change. He didn't bring on these problems, people who spent more than they had caused our problems. Easy credit and then go bankrupt has been the American way. File bankrupt and then do it all over again. I see one person here wants more money for her kids and … if they are college graduate lets hope they have learned that they can take care of themselves…there are jobs out there and if that weren't true why are we complaining about the illegal's over here working???? Seems to me I have heard quite a few college graduates state "I didn't go to college to work at Mc Donald's." We have become such a spoiled country that no one wants to take responsibility for themselves or for their families, shove that responsibility off on those who have worked their whole lives to become independent and able to support themselves. If we try we can truly bankrupt our country by being like children dependant on others and never go the extra mile to push ourselves to become independent.
There are ways to get through this economic crisis we just have to use our heads and think of how they managed back years ago…we give up some of our toys that we have become so accustomed to… such as our Internet service our cable TV our play stations and all the crap that we think we have to have to entertain ourselves. We must put our prospective's in order and decide what is more important and that is exactly what our government must do. We are a great Country that is breeding crybabies…we must become independent …take care of business and quit expecting Uncle Sam to bail us out of problems that we have created for ourselves.
Sorry… this has nothing to do with diabetes but I am only responding to the post, something that I usually do not do but this one upsets me.

Meridian - 26751
Meridian - 26751 2009-02-25 13:32:50 -0600 Report

How much time are we supposed to let him have? 70% of what a new President accomplishes in his first 4 years is accomplished in his first 100 days. That old clock is ticking.

Blooter 2009-02-25 14:06:23 -0600 Report

Well it seems we gave our last president 4 years and then allowed him another 4 and to judge this one on little more than 4 weeks seems to me a little bit unfair. Could we do any better? and if so why not try?

LadyDi - 26259Miller
LadyDi - 26259Miller 2009-02-25 16:13:18 -0600 Report

Thank you for sharing your comments, as I feel the same way, but have been trying to stay out of this discussion. We are talking about very complicated issues and issues involving facts and information and statistics, etc., that we are not privvy to. It seems to me that there's way too much "armchair quarterbacking" going on, when those doing so have never even been anywhere the playing field. I could go on, but will let it go at that. I, for one, will be praying for the President and all of those in leadership positions.

Blooter 2009-02-25 20:31:49 -0600 Report

I just truly feel that we have to give him a chance. Its too early to tell what will happen but I believe if we all do our share things will become better and if all we can do is complain then it can only get worse. God helps those that help themselves and I believe God is watching over us and the United States is still the very best place to be … where else could people complain about their president without giving him a fair chance. Come on people at least be fair.

Lanore 2009-02-26 08:32:57 -0600 Report

I am sorry but i don't see how giving our taxes dollars to these big companys and than letting them go out and spend the money on big fancy vacations and such is helping anyone but them. I haven't been able to go on vacation in over ten years WHY?? because we can't afford too. That is the way it should be, if you can't afford it don't go. You don't use other peoples money for your own pleasure. That is how i see it.

2009-02-27 18:07:58 -0600 Report

What about the CEO of Bank of America; taking a jet for $2000.00 to a meeting in Washington. He really was not coming from far, but yet he chose to use or money to try and get more.

Lanore 2009-03-01 14:20:50 -0600 Report

that is why i have a big problem with giving our money away. I think we should have a say in it. It is not right nor is it fair. It needs to stop.

GabbyPA 2009-02-24 15:18:44 -0600 Report

Wow, now don't get me started.

Trying to keep it diabetically minded is hard to do, but I have to say that I don't see how more government involved in my life is going to help me at all. Sure, they might throw me a crumb, but then they take away any ability I have to take care of myself thru the devaluation of the dollar thru this unconcionalbe spending, then the crumb is very bitter.

Since when did borrowing money ever make you rich? Since when did taking money from hard working people and giving it to the already rich ever produce anything above slavery? Since when did the government feel they have the right to ignore the citizen's voice and say "we know better"?

Someone already said it, but I will repeat. Change is coming, Change does not always mean that it is good.

Now the bigger questions is....what are you going to do about it? My husband and I are getting involved in meetings, writing and contacting the people we voted into office. We are doing many other things, things I NEVER thought I would be doing. If you don't like what you see. What are you going to do??

2009-02-24 17:48:22 -0600 Report

I have written the president as well as our nj. governor and senators.
Do you just keep on doing it?

Gabby if you have more Ideas maybe I will try. I could do a youtube video if you think it would help.

cakeybakes 2009-02-24 22:39:04 -0600 Report

Thank you! I have felt quite alone in my working community lately. Some people are just so ecstatic about our new Pres that they can't see clear reason. I already work TWO jobs (I thank the good Lord that I have them since some people have none) and my husband lost his last Spring only to find one that pays 25% less. As cruddy as our health insurance is, at least we still have it. But for how long? And who is going to decide if the health care I am getting is appropriate for me? How quickly is big government going to take away my benefits if they decide my doctor is not giving me the treatment THEY think I should be getting? Very frightening times!

Meridian - 26751
Meridian - 26751 2009-02-24 11:30:04 -0600 Report

If you really want to see how well this package is helping the country just look at what has happened to the stock market since he signed it into law? I've lost 20% and I'm sure I'm not alone. There are probably some who have lost more. What this tells me is that even the folks that deal in finance everyday don't see this as helping. Look at the stock market since he took office, it's down 2,000 points. I thought this guy had all the answers? I was led to believe he would fix it all as soon as he took office. Could it be that he isn't the messiah that the media has led us to believe he is? Where are all of the rainbows and unicorns? Give me a single good reason why we should ever believe our politicians again. Because they tell us what we want to hear? That makes all of them shifty and unworthy of my support. I used to be a democrat, but they were crooks. Then I was a republican, but they were crooks. Now I am conservative and pray a lot. The folks just don't trust our government anymore, and why should we? How many people do you know that have new jobs because of obama? How many people do you know that are in financial troubles because of obama? This guy is as big a joke as any of them. The only difference is that he is naive enough to think he can fix a system that will fix itself if he just keeps out of the way. God help us.

NormaJean 2009-02-25 15:26:04 -0600 Report

Ken you know we shouldn't be talking politics here…but we have a right to express our opinion on any discussions.For me I am not politically opinionated but I do have this to say,the American people were ready for a change in their lives and like all other politicians they tell us what we want to hear,so they voted for a change.Our President inherited this situation from the previous Regime and with guidance put forth his proposals for dealing with the situation.For me I think it's gonna take him at least 2 terms before we can actually see a definite what happens to people like myself who don't have a steady job and no medical insurance…the job situation is very bad in Cleveland ,Ohio…this is a poor city and am sure the situation is the same all over.Our people need jobs most of all …I thought that some of his bailout proposals were absolutely ridiculous…the movie industry…that is outrageous..I think am saying too much…but we have to give him a chance and see what he can do for the American people…like all his predecessors we have to support him and pray that we are gonna see that change sooner than later..

Lanore 2009-02-24 09:49:33 -0600 Report

I see nothing good coming out of this as the ones who got our money will not use it for what it is intended to be used for…going on vacations and other things like that is not right. As far as getting a little bit at a time…I'm not sure how to use my 65.00. WOW!!! The gov will get most of that back in the taxes that they take out anyway.
I would rather have it in one lump sum and pay off some of the bills we have here right now that are killing us. I'm not seeing where this is helping us little people at all. But then i didn't vote for him either.

cmerkin 2009-02-23 16:19:55 -0600 Report

That is a loaded question. It appears to be terrible on the whole and it also appears it will not help the people who desperately need the help the most. Oh well, maybe something good will come of it and prove me wrong.. I really hope I am wrong about it.

2009-02-23 18:03:04 -0600 Report

I really hope you are wrong, but the fat get fatter, and the thin just seem to dwindle away in a gutter somewhere.

I wish Robin Hood was here.?

cmerkin 2009-02-24 13:50:19 -0600 Report

I hope I am wrong too and I voted forr Obama and I am keeping the faith in our Commander in Chief. : )

datzme 2009-02-22 14:36:19 -0600 Report

I think this is the worst thing to do. Just keep printing out the paper thats not worth the ink thats being used on it lately. We are going to be in such troubles when this all hits the fan and it might take years to even know the conditions of this all. What is it with all of these bailouts rich ones as well and all of these houses if you can't afford it and its on the line then well don't buy the first or the second one and now they get bailed out as well whats up with that. This is all bloody confusing but the best one was the package that came back with what was it 300 plus more pages was voted on before people read it? Scarry thats all just scarry times.

2009-02-23 05:30:55 -0600 Report

Yeah, not even the senate got to read the package. It was offered to them, 1200 pages 4 hours before they had to vote. The senate was not happy about that either.

And what about the Bi_Partisan ???

Meridian - 26751
Meridian - 26751 2009-02-23 07:24:37 -0600 Report

The reason the vote was pushed ahead was because Nancy Pelosy had to make a trip to Europe to put more money in her pocket from a speaking engagement. I'm not kidding. Check it out. Where are her priorities? Her own pocketbook not the countries.

highlandcitygirl 2009-02-22 10:38:30 -0600 Report

i have a bad feeling about this whole thing! i am not likeing anything about it! we are entering into a dangereous time of upheavel and i don't think any good will come from this! change comes,change is not always good!

Meridian - 26751
Meridian - 26751 2009-02-22 11:08:58 -0600 Report

I'll gladly eat my hat if it works…and I'll probably have to when it doesn't.

2009-02-22 12:12:03 -0600 Report

Me,Too; but please don't hold your breath waiting,lol

GabbyPA 2009-02-24 15:29:40 -0600 Report

Well, at least your hat is low carb and won't cause your sugar to rise! LOL, now I can't speak for the stress though. Sheesh, I am already eating my nails.

rbergman 2009-02-22 09:11:46 -0600 Report

I like the idea of monies distributed over a period of time rather than one lump sum, only because I feel people would take the lump sum, go spend it (whether on needs or wants) and its gone, then its just a vicious circle over and over again of doling out a few hundred dollars per household that are spent and the economy is good for a few days (supposedly) and it goes to crap again once people have spent that money. If it is done in small spurts there wouldn't be any of this "big spending rush" all at once.
Overall either way isn't going to make any huge difference, I say all these big corporate CEO types, and government officials need to all give up the income(at least 2/3 of it) that they aren't EARNING anyway and lets start with the Presidents 1/2 million dollar annual salary and trickle all that money down to the "little guy" afterall if it weren't for all us little guys, they wouldn't be in office anyway…unless they bribed to get themselves there lol
Let's go back to the good ole days when politics and political figures actually made a difference, not like now when all they make is the big bucks to point fingers at every other politician…its all a big game of He said, She said anymore sadly.

Meridian - 26751
Meridian - 26751 2009-02-22 08:11:37 -0600 Report

I just wish they'd have returned to me the tax monies I contributed, rather than entrusting my money to the politicians who have a rather poor record in the spending department. Let us, the consumers put the money back into the economy by letting us spend it on the things that we need.

The governor of Michigan is going to put the majority of our cut of the stimulus package into repairing our roads. We won't have the money to afford to drive our cars or for that matter to own a car, but we will have roads to use if we ever get a car. She says it will create 5,000 construction jobs. If any one of you know anything about the construction industry, they are the modern day nomads and move from state to state following employment. So some or maybe even most will be from other states.

The more we depend on the government the more we move toward becoming a socialist state, and we all know that socialism has never worked and will never work.

2009-02-22 08:24:42 -0600 Report

You are so righ, that is one of the things I am afraid of. We are becoming owned by the government. We do not seem to have a say in anything, nor do we have any of our civil rights anymore.
Freedom is going to be a thing of the past.

great dane
great dane 2009-02-26 08:55:21 -0600 Report

Meridan is exactly right! Congress is primarily populated with people who have never had a real job, yet they fell they are more qualified to decide how to spend our money than we are. Unbelieveable! The notion that big government is good is wrong and will lead directly to socialism.

Jazz 2009-03-01 19:18:04 -0600 Report

I don't like it at all.Socialismwill not work it looks more like cummunism to me where they run every thing .they loaned out the money now they want to tell thim how to spend It .they want to control every thing and tell us how to spend our money .when he goes and spend sil Mil. for
a vacation for his family. our money we need to get togeather as a people and get the government out of our lives some of those guys have been inWa. sense high school and some are pretty old when we get that older we are forsed out of uor job.all they know is spend spend our money .he is going to give seniors $ 250.00 big deal the people voted him in and this is what they get some seniors spend more than that on medications diabetic supplys are not cheap.and every one is trying to make a killing on It.
I'm sick of it .