Carbs Vs. Calories

By rbergman Latest Reply 2009-02-16 15:09:42 -0600
Started 2009-02-08 15:58:32 -0600

Ok, I think I'm doing something wrong…
Laura is to have a max of 125-150g carbs per day…
and a calorie intake of 1200-1600…
I can't figure out how that works, she had a total of 103 carbs yesterday but the calorie intake was only 765?????
If I get the calorie intake right, it puts her over her limit on carbs…how the heck do you get them both within range???

38 replies

Carl Carter
Carl Carter 2009-02-16 15:09:42 -0600 Report

This is my first post. I have had LADA for almost 15 years now and am still having a problem estimating my carb counting. I test about 6-8 times a day and my A1C is 5.8. I am 6'5" and weigh between 185 and 190 Lbs. Here's how I try to keep things in balance.

I) read the Nutrition Facts Label on all the boxes and cans and use portion control to keep calories under control.
2) I eat what I want, but not a lot of desserts. I am a chocoholic and eat less than 2 Hershey's Giant 6 oz Dark bars a week.
3) I use a sliding scale for insulin injections.

My advice is to determine what total food intakes per meal match your ration of 10 Calories per 1 carb. Then develop a menu that comes close to this ratio.
Then after you get this far, check with your doctor's dietician for completeness and sufficient nourishment.

Maury 2009-02-14 16:58:17 -0600 Report

Gl low glycemic and you don't have to worry about counting carbs. MMB

rbergman 2009-02-14 18:21:55 -0600 Report

I'm sorry I don't understand what that means Maury, could you explain it to me??

2009-02-14 22:22:18 -0600 Report

I'm starting a new Discussion about the Glycemic index Robin. I think we discussed before but I can't find it. I'll put some links in for you.

Edie 2009-02-15 07:50:32 -0600 Report

Thanks Judy… I will really like something like that also as I should be counting both more and then I can get better control of both weight and BG. Some days seem easy and others seem like I just don't get it at all.

2009-02-15 08:35:16 -0600 Report

This may be a huge over simplification but; Protein,eg. meat poultry, fish,and eggs have almost no carbs but plenty of calories. Therefore if she is ok on the carbs but short on the calories then eating some healthy protein will fill the bill and her too. Hope this helps.

rbergman 2009-02-15 09:46:50 -0600 Report

Thanks Bruce, I've learned a lot since starting this discussion, and Wed. we go to the dietitian so where we have gaps maybe she can help fill in, and yes we figured out the meat thing to build up the calories, but I still appreciate your insight, it makes perfect sense to me…also, she has lost nearly 3 lbs since we started this, her numbers are still all over the place but the doctor is increasing her meds over a 4wk period because of the side effects, we just started week 2 so I'm hoping that by the end of the 4th week it will be controlling her numbers better.

kdroberts 2009-02-10 09:49:20 -0600 Report

Calories come from 3 things, carbs, protein and fat. Carbs and protein are 4 calories pre gram, fat is 9 calories per gram. If you are eating as much carb as you can tolerate per meal (not what you were told or a max per day, what you can actually eat and have good blood sugar numbers at each meal) and you are low on a calorie intake than you have to increase protein and fat but you have to do it in a healthy way, unsaturated fats for example.

For anyone who is following a "max per day" and/or the same fixed amount per meal plan, please stop. Carbs are not like calories that you can save them up and eat a lot at one meal, what you eat will very quickly increase blood sugar so you have to get the balance right. Most diabetics cannot eat anywhere near the same amount of carbs at breakfast as they can at dinner, some people can't eat ANY carbs at breakfast because without significant blood sugar rises. A dietitians advice is a starting point, not a set in stone plan. You have to test and adjust to come up with a plan that will work for you.

highlandcitygirl 2009-02-10 10:14:27 -0600 Report

i think i need to change what i eat for breakfast, i'm having a hard time breaking away from my cereal and i think its the wrong thing for in the morning for me.

Anonymous 2009-02-10 12:34:45 -0600 Report

I do the "set in stone" plan and it is working for me. So why change it. I spread my carbs throughout the day so I am not getting too many at one meal or snack. Doing this I have lowered my meds, lost weight and my A1c is great. So I will not chnge it. Sorry if that messes with your comments.

rbergman 2009-02-10 14:36:31 -0600 Report

we are currently following what the doctor said she would like as Laura's max carb grams per day, we see a dietitian on the 18th maybe that will help get us on a better mix of everything needed as you said kdroberts, I don't want her missing something she needs to cut something else just doesn't make sense. Thanks for your advice, its welcomed as always.

Anon…I see your point as well, if your doing it right and its working for you thats great, I can get the carbs right but just not the calories and thats my concern.

GabbyPA 2009-02-10 14:50:58 -0600 Report

It all seems hard in the beginning, and confusing. It does get easier, I promise. Then once you figure it all out, something new is added to the mix. But it really does get easier.

Edie 2009-02-15 07:53:04 -0600 Report

kd thanks for this info. I have put it in my file on the computer so as to have the info whenever I want it and not have to go online to get it. I will try and use your info and see where it takes me. Wish me luck on the weight loss. I need to lose atleast 100 pounds. The Dr. says when I get the weight off I should be able to lose the meds too, or atleast some of them.

Anonymous 2009-02-10 09:31:11 -0600 Report

I only count carbs. I can have 100 a day for me including snacks. Seems to be working. I have lost weight and my A1c is great. See the doctor on wednesday.

2009-02-08 22:15:58 -0600 Report

I was going to try to explain this for you but it would take too much typing and I'm tired. Here is a good website that will help you figure it all out and if you have any questions let me know and I'll be happy to help.


Debe Pendice
Debe Pendice 2009-02-09 05:59:51 -0600 Report

HJudy what a good website to share with us. I just finidhed a carb counting class, which taught me a great deal. I am counting carbs and found it much easier. But Gabby is right , it makes sense to have a caloire count while doing this,only cause I have to know my calories limit while counting my carbs..

rbergman 2009-02-09 12:51:51 -0600 Report

ohhhhh Judy your a lifesaver!!!!! Until we get that appointment with the dietitian I'm at a loss that website is awesome, I haven't dug deep into it as I had that meeting with the school this morning but I'll get into it more later today and let you know if I need more help from you..your such a sweetheart thank you thank you!

2009-02-09 14:07:54 -0600 Report

You're welcome Robin… anytime you need help with anything just let me know here or in email and if I don't know I'll find out for you or at least point you in the right direction.. :)

P.S. Can I be a cherry lifesaver? LOL

rbergman 2009-02-09 14:41:55 -0600 Report

Lmao with as much help as you've been you've earned the right to be whatever flavor you choose…as long as its sugar free LOL
I did a meal plan workup on that site, I love how it gives the calorie and carb count not just for each meal but for the whole day, was even able to work snack in without going over either of her limits..Thanks Again Judy!

Maury 2009-02-14 17:09:00 -0600 Report

Judy, pretty neat website but note many of their carb counts are estimates. It is silly to say one slice of bread is 15 grams when bread carbs range from 15 to 30 depending on the type of bread. There's only one or two brands of bread at the supermarket I buy from that has 15 grams of carb. Cheers, MMB

2009-02-14 18:13:29 -0600 Report

Exactly Maury, everything has to be an estimate as no two things are the same. I encourage people to read labels on everything they buy. My bread that I buy at the store is 100% whole wheat and has 14 gms of carbs per slice. One carb serving is actually a range from 12-20gms of carbohydrate = 1 serving if you are counting carbs. Everything I've ever read says it's 'roughly' 15 gms per serving.

rbergman 2009-02-14 18:20:20 -0600 Report

I have found that Sara Lee is one of the lower carb breads at 15g per slice but yes, I have seen some of the "whole wheat fiber enriched" breads be anywhere between 20 and 24 a slice, you certainly do have to read labels, we are getting better though, both Dean and I have certain things that we just automatically know now what the carb count for them are, so it is getting easier, we'll see what the dietitian thinks on Wednesday.

rbergman 2009-02-15 11:40:14 -0600 Report

Yep, Sara Lee is my choice, we started buying it ages ago, we just liked it better than most other breads, it wasn't until we were counting carbs that I realized it is one of the lowest carb breads out there.

Edie 2009-02-15 07:54:24 -0600 Report

Judy thankyou for the website. I am going there now. You are a good friend and I love the Info you always give. It helps me so much.
Your Friend Always;

2009-02-15 21:41:43 -0600 Report

You're so welcome. I just saw this now on Sunday night. I don't know all the answers but I 'sometimes' know where to find them :) I hope things are going well for you.


GabbyPA 2009-02-08 21:00:02 -0600 Report

I don't want to sound stupid, but you count all the calories of all the foods, not just the carbs. If you are doing that, then you can increase her other foods, such as good fats, proteins and lost of veggies. I hope she likes veggies, that always helps.

2009-02-08 20:31:10 -0600 Report

I count carbs, my husband, calories! It gets kinda confusing doing both, I give you TONS of credit for being able to do both!

rbergman 2009-02-08 16:52:36 -0600 Report

I can't wait for our appt. with the nutritionist so I have a better understanding of all of this, geez why wasn't I taught this when I was diagnosed instead of the sugar intake way!

2009-02-08 16:25:01 -0600 Report

I wish somebody would teach me! I start my classes this week so I will ask!!!!!!!!!! I just tested my BS before my insulin shot and it's 406… Guess it's that pizza and coke I had for lunch! First I've had in almost 3 months :( :( Geez, I give up…

gsalem3633 2009-02-15 08:53:41 -0600 Report

Not the Pizza it's the coke!!

Edie 2009-02-15 17:59:25 -0600 Report

It can also be the pizza, depending on where you get it from and what you put on it. I find the ones from Pizza Hut my BG would go over 300 with just 2 slices and if I ate 4 pieces from Papa Murphy's then it would go over the 300 mark depending on the kind I order.

rbergman 2009-02-15 18:05:52 -0600 Report

I wonder what their new whole grain crust would do to BG levels, guess it would still depend on whats on top though they claim its made with natural pepperoni and cheese…

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