Thin People Get Diabetes, Obese People Get Diabetes, What You Eat Does Not Necessarily Cause Diabetes !

jigsaw
By jigsaw Latest Reply 2014-06-10 14:14:39 -0500
Started 2014-06-05 17:20:38 -0500

There are so many myths, and misunderstandings, concerning diabetes, and the causes of this complex condition. Many of us have various ideas concerning this subject. It appears however, even medical professionals are a bit hazy in this area, and seem to be learning more everyday! How much in fact do we really know? What do you think?

Here are some very interesting , and thought provoking links! A bit of reading here is required, but go ahead and fill your head with this info, you'll be that much wiser for it. Tell us what you think, afterwards.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/09/health/obesity-...

http://chriskresser.com/think-skinny-people-d...

http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/14046739.php


47 replies

MrsCDogg
MrsCDogg 2014-06-08 13:35:46 -0500 Report

I've known thin people who were diabetics, and I've known very fat people who were not diabetics. Truth is "experts" don't really know why some people become diabetics and some don't.

tabby9146
tabby9146 2014-06-07 17:09:32 -0500 Report

I was not exactly very think, though I had skinny arms and legs, but thicker in the midsection, not too big there though, but 35 lbs, overweight was all, and I am type2, so I totally agree with the fact that even people who are not very overweight can be type2. I am going to read these articles. sounds very interesting.

tabby9146
tabby9146 2014-06-08 08:43:33 -0500 Report

my birth father has it and I did not find out until a few months before I was diagnosed. when I had spoken to him in the beginning, after finding him many yrs prior, he did not mention it at all, when I asked about history of anything I needed to know about. So I began exercising when I found out, every day, but it was too late. My heaviest was 169 lbs. but I am a very very small boned person (wish I had larger bones) and even 150 is too much for me, my doctor said. I am short.

jigsaw
jigsaw 2014-06-10 14:14:39 -0500 Report

Your doctor may have said you're short, and Trudie Ann may have too many toothpics, but I say your both very sweet with good hearts! Now that's what really counts!!! (-;

Trudie Ann
Trudie Ann 2014-06-10 10:14:44 -0500 Report

I understand. Even though I knew my father, I never knew any of his family, or even their names he never talked much about them and I haven't been able to find out any thing either. He was also small like me.
150 when PG and after I broke my leg and had to have a steel plate and pins, was my largest weight. People say " Your not over weight 128 is a good weight", but for me it isn't. The extra weight gain (28 lbs) is all in my middle. I am only a hair over 5'1, with small bones and small feet also. I went from a size 3-5 to an 8-10. I look like an apple with toothpicks for legs and arms.

tabby9146
tabby9146 2014-06-08 08:45:06 -0500 Report

I stay within 132-134 now. used to lose weight sometimes after diagnosis, about two years after, when my weight stabilized for a long period of time and I would not even know it, and people would say you have lost weight! I would go down to 127-129 for no apparent reason at all. even that weight is not too low for me, according to my BMI. I was 25 when diagnosed, and now my BMI is 23/24.

Trudie Ann
Trudie Ann 2014-06-08 00:14:12 -0500 Report

I never weighed over 100 lbs soaking wet, and I was very active (a big, or rather little ole tom boy). I never gained an ounce until I hit 50 and severly broke my right leg and ankle and couldn't walk until the bones and steel plates mended together, almost a year. I gained up to 150 but I now weigh 128 and all of the extra 28 lbs. is in my mid section. I was diagnosed with type 2 approx. 8 years ago at age 55. I always ate a well balanced meal with lots of veggies and fruit, and still do. My Dad is Cherokee Indian, even though he was never diabetic but I don't know if any of his ancestors did. I have heard that Indians are prone to diabetes but I don't know how true that is. I know a lady who I say is skinny as a rail who has diabetes. So go figure, over weight is/can be a factor and usually is but I think there is a whole lot more to it. I am going to read all these articles. Thanks jigsaw for the post.

haoleboy
haoleboy 2014-06-08 00:28:56 -0500 Report

Yes … race certainly plays a role. Native Americans are twice as likely to have diabetes as Caucasians. Hispanics and African Americans are little over 1.7 times more likely than the Caucasian population.

jigsaw
jigsaw 2014-06-07 19:08:25 -0500 Report

I think weight can be a contributing factor, but not the cause. I have a friend, that is about 5' 9" and weighs 135 lbs. He is a small skinny guy, and that is how he was when he was diagnosed with type 2! His father is also a very thin man that has diabetes, and is currently in his 90s. My friend was taken off Metformin, because he was losing to much weight, ands simply put. he was to thin!!!

So more then likely, there are a host of contributing factors that bring on diabetes. More awareness is the key to finding a cure, and eliminating the ignorant negativism associated with diabetes, that some express.

tabby9146
tabby9146 2014-06-08 08:46:13 -0500 Report

I agree! I was under a lot of stress with my son for years prior, and also had a sleep problem, and I read where the sleep problems can contribute too. I had those for yrs.

jigsaw
jigsaw 2014-06-08 09:14:11 -0500 Report

Stress is definitely bad news for health!
Lack of sleep will cause untold health problems for sure. I found out that I have sleep apnea about 5 years ago. My wife used to complain about my snoring! She said I was driving her nuts. This resulted in her aquiring quite a collection of ear protectors and ear plugs. I suspect I had undetected sleep apnea in a mild form for many years before being diagnosed. It is also very common for diabetes to go hand in hand with sleep apnea. I'm sure I look great with my c-pap mask on at night, and the tubes hanging over my bed board. I'm sure if a burglar broke into my room at night, the sight of me sleeping with my c-pap and tubes would probably scare the daylights out of him. Fortunately, I sleep fairly well now.

tabby9146
tabby9146 2014-06-07 17:33:13 -0500 Report

I know I had lots of that visceral fat back then and I stll do though I have cut way down on it. I had two csections which helped to contribute to that, for sure along with not taking the time to exercise years ago. the tummy is my only problem area and I work at it all the time.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2014-06-07 09:20:27 -0500 Report

These are great articles and I have to say that a long time ago I really believe that obesity is a symptom of diabetes in it's earliest stages. Not always a complication, but one that is prevalent. I am glad that there are more people looking into that reversal.

I also found this statement to be how I feel the medical profession looks at us most of the time: "This line of reasoning leads to subtle, often unexpressed, judgmental decisions on the part of your doctor, who is likely to believe that had you not been such a pig, you would not have given yourself this unnecessary disease. "
While the doctors often may think this, it's no wonder the general public thinks the same way.

My dad was not an overweight diabetic. My brother lost weight as a diabetic, but he was never well controlled and my mom lost a lot of weight before she became diabetic as she changed her lifestyle to go with my dad's and was basically already following a diabetic format.

Here is where another point comes in from the articles. STRESS. Chronic stress was the turning point for my mom. My dad died and then 4 years later my brother died, and that stress pushed her over the edge. I believe that stress played a huge part in my own diagnosis, as we had just gone through bankruptcy and were then dealing with foreclosure on our home. That stress was never ending.

Diabetes is complicated. It's not a fat person's disease. It's not something that should be overlooked in anyone. And while it may not be connected to "how much" we eat, I do believe that there is a connection to "what" we eat as our foods become more and more processed with things we don't know going into our bodies. We have been the great experiment...and it didn't go very well.

tabby9146
tabby9146 2014-06-08 08:47:32 -0500 Report

I believe that too and environmental. Ever since GMOs have been in so much of the food, and other things like that.

jigsaw
jigsaw 2014-06-07 16:43:36 -0500 Report

There is no doubt in my mind, that stress can cause untold damage, to any area of the body. I have devoted my fair share of time to channeling my stress and redirecting it in a beneficial way, when possible. The learned process and resulting benefits are more than worth it.

I agree that there are many possibilities concerning the various connections with processed foods and diabetes. Unfortunately, it's simply a guess, (although it seems to make sense) with no kinown medical evidence.

Pegsy
Pegsy 2014-06-07 10:36:31 -0500 Report

I suffered a lot of stress all my life due to an extremely abusive mother. I suffered all sorts of stress related ailments beginning in early childhood. But at the time of my diabetes diagnosis I was under extreme stress from other sources as well, for several years running. There is no doubt in my mind that stress played a huge roll in me being diabetic. When first diagnosed, I concentrated on diet and exercise. While that is good, I am learning that stress and sleep have a far greater and longer lasting impact on my glucose levels. So I am now focused on getting more sleep and dealing better with the stresses in my life. Stress isn't going to go away. I have to learn to deal with it constructively.

4mouseketeers
4mouseketeers 2014-06-05 18:58:59 -0500 Report

I was always way, way too thin. I got put on a medicine (old one called Triavil) to calm me down. I quit smoking for 6 years. I gained a lot of weight (unfortunately mostly in the gut). My maternal grandfather had diabetes. I have diabetes; my brother does not. I always loved sweet stuff. Ate a lot of it & always drank soda pop. I was not diagnosed diabetic til I was in a car wreck & they found my BS was too high in the ER. I probably had it for awhile before that. So what does all this say? I'm not very smart so I don't know & I don't that the experts know either. Ann

jigsaw
jigsaw 2014-06-06 08:21:47 -0500 Report

I think the best we can do, is to keep our eyes and ears open, and learn all that we can (from reliable sources) to maintain our health!

Pegsy
Pegsy 2014-06-05 18:50:47 -0500 Report

Thank you for posting these very interesting and informative articles!

I see myself and my family history in so much of what these articles have to say. I suddenly no longer feel so much "guilt" over being diabetic. I was led to believe by a number of "experts" that if I would just drop the pounds I would eliminate the diabetes. This has not been the case for me. I have lost over 80 pounds and am no longer considered overweight but the diabetes persists. I have come to accept that this is my life…for the rest of my life.

So much of what these articles have to say make a lot of sense in my case. I was destined to be diabetic due to many factors mentioned. Sigh. OK. I can accept that. Drop the guilt and just do the best I can with what remains of my life.

tabby9146
tabby9146 2014-06-08 08:50:36 -0500 Report

I still have it too and lost all the weight and have kept it all off since some time in 2009. I don't get really high numbers now, but I can see by the numbers when I eat the wrong things at times. There is a man I know in my town who has lost lots and lots of weight and exercising, and just recently had his first morning blood sugar at 100, his lowest fasting number in many yrs.

jigsaw
jigsaw 2014-06-07 19:41:57 -0500 Report

You know, when I think of it, I really don't know anyone that intentionally brings on a disease or condition to themselves Blaming an individual for having diabetes, is just as arrogant, ignorant, and rediculous as blaming someone for being stricken with cancer, or any other disease. I find it totally amazing, that in this day and age, there are actually doctors that are guilty of this stupidity!

Gabby
GabbyPA 2014-06-07 09:22:26 -0500 Report

Guilt is one of the biggest things many of us have to deal with. I know I do often, because people see diabetes as a fat person's disease. Thin diabetes get sympathy, fat ones are shamed. Neither of us what either feeling, we just want to deal with it and find a way to live a great life in spite of it.

jigsaw
jigsaw 2014-06-07 14:13:35 -0500 Report

I think you make quite a bit of sense! The bottom line, when it comes to the world of medicine, and the medical field, there is obviously a large gap in the available information, concerning the subject of diabetes. Probably makes for a substantial amount of confusion, and misunderstandings.

jigsaw
jigsaw 2014-06-06 08:43:30 -0500 Report

I suspect that I had undetected problems metabolically speaking, from elementary school, and right through high school. I remember getting extremely tired at about 11:00 AM everyday, while sitting in the classroom. It was a struggle to not fall asleep, as my eyelids felt like they were weighted down. This continued for years. As a child, I think I attributed it to boredom, so I blamed myself, and never told anyone!

I would definitely venture to say that I was most likely heading in the direction of diabetes for many years prior to my diagnoses. There are probably many signs (medically speaking) that slip by medical professionals, due to lack of knowing, and research. I'm sure this is applies, back in time when I was much younger! Of course I haven't aged that much either! (Don't ask me if I was an old looking child) (-;

By the way, there was diabetes all over my mothers side of the family, with the exception of my mother, who never had it. Also, I was thin most of my life, and as an older adult, I was rarely more than about 5 lbs overweight. Obviously, there is more to diabetes, then is currently known.

tabby9146
tabby9146 2014-06-08 08:52:40 -0500 Report

I never had any of the usual symptoms (wish I'd had the weight loss symptom but mine would not budge) except for the tiredness which I'd had a long time, but I was in my mid-late 30s at the time, chalked it up to getting older and not exrcising, etc…then a few months before diagnosis, I had light headed and sometimes very scary dizzy spells. that was the only symptoms.

Pegsy
Pegsy 2014-06-06 09:19:39 -0500 Report

I don't know anything about my paternal side of the family but I do know that my mother was diabetic and her father was, as well. Both were on insulin near the end of their lives. He died at 85. She died at 73. I hope to at least live longer than she did and I think I can with the lifestyle changes I have made that she was not willing to make.

jigsaw
jigsaw 2014-06-06 14:07:46 -0500 Report

I agree! You can certainly increase the odds of a longer quality life, with good diabetes mgmt.

robertoj
robertoj 2014-06-05 18:34:54 -0500 Report

When I was a teen I was diagnosed as hypoglycemic. My doctor told me that I could become a diabtic. He was right.

tabby9146
tabby9146 2014-06-08 08:54:32 -0500 Report

my primary care doc thought I had reactive hypoglycemia at first, mainly because my light headed episodes were usually in the mornings, not every morning by any means, but when she told me to make sure I had protein at every meal and fiber, etc.. which I did, I noticed it helped so I was convinced I did too, until later on, (she had already done the heart tests) when the dizzy spells started and even other times of the day. they were so scary.

jigsaw
jigsaw 2014-06-06 10:11:18 -0500 Report

It would be great, if these doctors could advise us on how to prevent diabetes, if that is at all possible, along with potential signs that the this condition is present in the first place ! This would be a giant leap in the medical profession, especially if the early signs in the metabolic process were detectable, and frequently brought to our attention. As it is, many doctors only skim the surface, when advising us on how to manage diabetes!

tabby9146
tabby9146 2014-06-08 08:56:21 -0500 Report

how I wish my doc had gotten on to me about my weight, but nothing was ever said, not even my OBGYN said a thing about my weight. They need to mention weight and the importance of exercise, diet, and they need to always bring up the "D" word to patients who are overweight. My weight did not "show" that much, I mean, in most clothes, I looked like I weighed less than I did, however, it was obvious that I needed to lose weight in my tummy. pretty obvious

Pegsy
Pegsy 2014-06-05 18:58:22 -0500 Report

I had the same experience. I experienced unexplained fainting around age 13.Diagnosed as hypoglycemic at 19. Diagnosed as diabetic at 52. 11 years younger than my mother's diagnosis.

robertoj
robertoj 2014-06-05 19:22:59 -0500 Report

I was diagnosed at 15 and weighed 113 lbs when I joined the army. The doctor at thr induction center had to fudge my height and weight to qualify me. I was 55 when I was diagnosed with diabetes.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2014-06-07 09:27:26 -0500 Report

I don't know, but my dad was diagnosed when he was 60, my brother when he was 27, my mom when she was 64 and I was at age 47. So it's all different ages for us. And we don't have any direct lines of diabetes in our history. I have some from non-blood related family, but we are the first to get it in our family line.

Donnadoll
Donnadoll 2014-06-09 07:11:51 -0500 Report

My maternal grandmother was in her early 40's and I was 25. My mother was hypoglycemic and no diabetes in my father's family. Out of 4 children I was the only diabetic. But I was the most sedentary of the children. I believe it's always been the quantity of food eaten not the types of food.

jigsaw
jigsaw 2014-06-09 07:42:20 -0500 Report

Excess weight stresses every organ in the body. Excessive carb intake causes a healthy pancreas to produce more insulin. Emotional and psychological stress, causes stress on the entire body including the pancreas. Genetics come into play, without a doubt. It's known that these are all factors involved and effecting diabetes. As to the cause, no on has pinned that down as of yet! Because the cause is not really known, why blame yourself???

I was reasonably active most of my adult years. My weight was within normal range to a max of about 10 lbs excess at times. I rode a bike 5 to 30 miles about 3 or 4 times a week. I rode mountain bike paths also. Did weight training, and walking on a tread mill and elliptical. Guess what, I still got diabetes, and that was 20 years ago. My point is, don't waist your energy on blaming, when no one knows the cause. The best we can do is to accept our diabetes and take care of ourselves. Diabetes is simply like an annoying partner that reminds us constantly to eat properly, and exercise!

jigsaw
jigsaw 2014-06-07 14:17:25 -0500 Report

In addition to what you said, is it possible that there were undiagnosed members in your family line?

jigsaw
jigsaw 2014-06-06 12:17:18 -0500 Report

I have a suspicion, that this sort of age spread from symptoms to actual diagnoses is fairly common. Probably more so then we'd care to believe. I'm sure this includes individuals that get routine physicals also!

haoleboy
haoleboy 2014-06-05 17:31:31 -0500 Report

I have a friend that has been convinced for years that obesity was a symptom of T2DM rater than a cause. He made a compelling argument and there certainly is a growing amount of scientific evidence that this may well be the case.

_/\_
Steve

jigsaw
jigsaw 2014-06-07 14:20:45 -0500 Report

It's an interesting point, especially if it could be helpful in the developement of a cure.