By msann Latest Reply 2014-06-16 20:45:55 -0500
Started 2014-05-20 19:45:44 -0500


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Emma2412 2014-05-25 15:32:50 -0500 Report

Yes, I'm doing that now. I am finding that the less meat, fish, poultry and other concentrated foods (nuts, cheese, etc.) I have, the more energy I have. I start out with fruit in the a.m. up through noon. If I get hungry I have a banana or two before noon. Then if I want a concentrated food (meat, etc.) I only have it with two or three raw or slightly steamed veggies. With concentrated food of any kind, I don't eat any kind of bread, potato or starch. If I want bread or potato then I only have raw or slightly steamed veggies with it. I feel better than I have ever felt on this diet and am also losing weight. Don't get me wrong. I've always liked concentrated foods but over the last 10 years I've eaten less and less of them mostly because they're so expensive. Nuts are also concentrated food SO I only have them with veggies, of course, if I even can buy them. I'm hoping to regulate my blood sugar better with this diet. I also am exercising now.

haoleboy 2014-05-25 15:46:17 -0500 Report

You're fortunate that you can eat fruits (particularly bananas) without spiking. Two bananas would be just about my allotment of carbs on most days.


Emma2412 2014-05-29 22:02:05 -0500 Report

Well, Steve, I have found over all of the time I've had diabetes that almost everything makes me spike. So, I'm going to do things this way and see (with the exercise) If it makes any difference. I can tell you that blueberries is one of the best fruits to eat. I really think that, for me, this way of eating I've adopted will have a good effect on me. I've also read that exercise can actually get rid of diabetes. I don't know if that's true, but I'm willing to try out the idea at least. I figure what have I got to lose. I would love to get rid of this disease and all the "stuff" one has to go through with it. I see that you count your carbs. Well, as far as I am concerned, I don't want to bother with counting anything anymore. My diet is very, very healthy now and like I said I feel better than I've ever felt before. So, wish me luck.

haoleboy 2014-05-29 22:11:02 -0500 Report

I do wish you the very best of luck,
Berries are one of the few fruits I eat regularly.
Getting rid of diabetes? So far as I understand that's not possible … getting to the point where your blood glucose levels are normal by exercise and diet and no meds? I absolutely believe that will happen.

Emma2412 2014-06-14 12:07:39 -0500 Report

I'm not certain that one can "get rid of" diabetes either, but if I can get to the point where I don't have to take meds or Insulin, I'll be happy.

IamBubbely 2014-06-11 22:55:31 -0500 Report

I DID IT. It Can Be Done. I still test every now and then to be sure that I'm not spiking…With GOD All things are Possible♪♪♪

Emma2412 2014-06-14 12:08:38 -0500 Report

See, I knew it was possible. Congrats!
I TOTALLY agree. With God all things are Indeed possible.

SkyCam 2014-05-25 09:06:20 -0500 Report

This convo has certainly spiraled out of control! Just a suggestion - if someone flames simply ignore them. They hate that. And, its much perferred on a site where people are supposed to be helpful and supportive.

jayabee52 2014-05-25 18:10:50 -0500 Report

I have been in flame wars, and i find this discussion NOT to be that. I don't see the name calling that I see in those flame wars or the put downs. I see this as a respectful airing of differences of opinion and backing up our points with the evidences we can find.

SkyCam 2014-05-25 20:50:34 -0500 Report

Diabetes has nothing to do with religious viewpoints, scripture quotes and a statement which insists that people should be vegan/vegetarian or else something is wrong with them. If they arent flamers, then they were edging that way. Many times, statements can be cruel, unfair, negative, and damaging without using foul language.

jayabee52 2014-06-12 08:56:39 -0500 Report

diabetes may not have to do with the things you list But this subject does, especially when someone evokes those subjects. Then those subjects need to be met head on in a calm and kind manner. "cruel, unfair, negative, and damaging" certainly has no place here on DC. I can only control my own speech here. Should you feel you see such language you can always report it to the administration.

Emma2412 2014-06-14 12:11:19 -0500 Report

I totally agree with you. There's nothing cruel, unfair or negative here at DC. I think those that think so should look inward at their own selves and see why they feel that way in an honest way.

Sly Kitty
Sly Kitty 2014-05-24 21:52:13 -0500 Report

Actually, I try to eat a meat meal every week as I have always struggled with eating meat. I have always loved vegetables and so do prefer that. My only love of protein is shell fish which I don't eat much anymore due to cost. I cannot eat much meat because it seems to flair up gout, plus it isn't difficult for me to eliminate it entirely. I do not eat soy products or tofu, but as my family was fruit and veggie farmers I still prefer that main diet. As a youth we only ate meat meals three times a week and even that was hard for me to swallow.

haoleboy 2014-05-23 20:05:02 -0500 Report

Though not a vegetarian I will go several days in a row with out meat. Not necessarily by design but rather by chance … my son and his wife cook a lot of vegetarian dinners so on some nights if I eat with them I may find I have not had meat that day or had been fasting.
To tell the truth I could become a vegetarian … but I am too lazy. As someone pointed out earlier it takes a bit of effort to make sure you are getting enough 'complete' proteins.


Emma2412 2014-05-25 15:35:56 -0500 Report

Hey, Steve - I doubt very much that you have to worry about getting enough protein on a real vegetarian diet. Just have an assortment of veggies and all kinds of fruit, too.

haoleboy 2014-05-25 16:10:46 -0500 Report

fruit is a bit high in sugar for me … which really is a bummer as we have a variety of fruit trees growing on our property.
I do eat A LOT of vegetables, but have found it hard to get enough complete protein while keeping my carbs low.

Emma2412 2014-05-29 22:09:29 -0500 Report

The protein thing should be taken care of if you have beans. They are very high in protein and can be made with veggies. Just make sure if you buy beans in the can that they don't have sugar like most of the baked beans do. It's a simple matter to make them at home. One can always get free recipes on the Internet and what you can do is to adjust the recipes to agree with what you like and what all of us should not have; i.e., sugar. Also, if you have a combination of beans and a high-fiber rice meal, you'll certainly get enough protein. Veggies have protein, too. So, do some research as to what veggie have the most protein and then you can do veggie meals, if you'd like. But don't worry about getting enough protein if you want to go vegetarian. I wish you luck in whatever you're doing and I hope that you'll research veggies to get a better understanding of them.

haoleboy 2014-05-29 22:27:15 -0500 Report

beans are high in carbs as is rice … I do occasionally eat beans but rarely and in smal quantities.
I feel I have a very good understanding of vegetables but maybe you will point out the veggies that are high in protein please because the highest I am aware of have about 3 grams per serving so as much as I love veggies I'm not sure I can eat enough to provide the 60 grams I try and eat per day.


Anonymous 2014-05-29 22:15:12 -0500 Report

Oh, and by the way, plants provide "complete protein." Like I said, one doesn't NEED meat/chicken/fish to live healthy. Have it by all means if you want it, but don't feel that you won't get your needed protein if you don't. (Oh, I've seen that this addition to my reply was named as coming from an Anonymous. I don't know why it came out that way but it is from me, Emma2412. Sorry.

haoleboy 2014-05-29 22:32:55 -0500 Report

a few plants (mostly seeds) offer a complete protein … but in very low density.
As I said … I am lazy and happen to really like chicken and fish and both offer great protein density

JaredLahti 2014-05-23 19:59:14 -0500 Report

I for one am a happy carnivore. I will not let anyone convince me that my way is wrong. As a matter of fact I would like to thank all the vegans for keeping meat prices lower.
I do however have a problem with people telling me my way is wrong. Maybe it is for you, so fine don't eat meat. Maybe the killing of plants is in humane and you should stop eating plants too.

Emma2412 2014-05-25 15:37:36 -0500 Report

Hey, JaredLahti — the only thing I'll say is that whatever you eat is "right for you." I will not try and convince you of anything. If you like it and you're healthy, then no one can argue with your choice. I choose differently, but that's up to me and only my business.

JaredLahti 2014-05-26 08:28:33 -0500 Report

The last part of my comment was meant to be a joke. As for the rest I am in total agreement that everybody has to do what works for them. In all honesty I race (running and triathlon) with team beef. But the only reason I race with them is cause I am a passionate advocate of eating healthy and beef being a part of that. I eat beef 3-4 days a week and my numbers have been getting better for two years.

jayabee52 2014-05-26 16:46:37 -0500 Report

actually Jared it has been demonstated that plants have feelings your "joke" above had more validity than you or many others understand

artqween 2014-05-23 02:31:20 -0500 Report

Actually the Bible does allow us to hunt certain meats to eat.
I forget at the moment what animals/ verses?? Any one knows?? This will now drive me nuts now :-/ Hummm…

Thank u Mamaspook,
which verse is that btw?? U know right??
What's with the user name Mamaspook??
Plez?? Hey btw

jayabee52 2014-05-23 03:19:54 -0500 Report

Qween, Spook is trying to either guilt us into going Vegan or buffalo us into doing so with inaccurate information.

There are many Bible verses which allows us to eat as our teeth are setup as an Omnivore: In Genesis 9:2-3 " And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be on every beast of the earth, on every bird of the air, on all that move on the earth, and on all the fish of the sea. They are given into your hand. 3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. I have given you all things, even as the green herbs". New King James Version.

artqween 2014-05-23 03:23:27 -0500 Report

Where did u read that or see that Mama-spook?Could it have been a type of joke per say??

There is a verse in the bible on what wild beast not to eat.. I just forget.. Grr..

jayabee52 2014-05-23 03:37:20 -0500 Report

Are you referring to Levitical "Kosher" laws? There are several chapters in Deuteronomy and Leviticus which describe in great detail those laws. However those laws are not necessarily for Christians to follow as is evidenced by what God said to Simon Peter in Acts 10:"9 The next day, as they went on their journey and drew near the city, Peter went up on the housetop to pray, about the sixth hour. 10 Then he became very hungry and wanted to eat; but while they made ready, he fell into a trance 11 and saw heaven opened and an object like a great sheet bound at the four corners, descending to him and let down to the earth. 12 In it were all kinds of four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air. 13 And a voice came to him, “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.”
14 But Peter said, “Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean.”
15 And a voice spoke to him again the second time, “What God has cleansed you must not call common.” 16 This was done three times. And the object was taken up into heaven again."

So unless you really want to "keep Kosher" like the orthodox Jews do, you can pretty well disregard the kosher laws except as they inform us about the Old Testament laws.

Emma2412 2014-05-25 16:04:53 -0500 Report

You are absolutely right, Jayabee. Besides, the verse says "a voice came to him." It did not say that it was God who spoke.

jayabee52 2014-05-25 18:03:07 -0500 Report

Not in that place Emma but later in Acts 10 Peter does identify the voice as God's v: "28 Then he said to them, “You know how unlawful it is for a Jewish man to keep company with or go to one of another nation. But God has shown me that I should not call any man common or unclean. 29 Therefore I came without objection as soon as I was sent for. I ask, then, for what reason have you sent for me?”

Also Peter had just been through Pentecost where God the Holy Spirit spoke through him, Peter would be the best person to identify God's voice.

A few verses later, the gathered Gentiles there were also had a Pentecost of their own.

44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. 45 And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God.

So while the voice which spoke to Peter in vv 13 - 15. is not identified directly, it is either God, or some one (an angel) speaking for God and at His direction.

MamaSpook 2014-05-22 20:16:56 -0500 Report

Not one single human on earth "needs" meat to live, actually it is quite the opposite and yes plants provide more complete protein than meat ever could.

artqween 2014-05-23 03:27:35 -0500 Report

No so fast.. there r some really healthy protein lean meats that r recommended my friend. I am a huge fan of our veggies but lets not diss our lean protein meats plez??? Mamaspook

jayabee52 2014-05-23 03:08:11 -0500 Report

Michael is rather biased and I am not sure of his science on this since he is a partisan in this battle.

Here is another viewpoint on the issue ~

Note all the complete proteins are found in Meat, Dairy, Fish "A complete protein contains an adequate amount of all of the essential amino acids that should be incorporated into a diet. Some protein contains all the amino acids needed to build new proteins, which generally come from animal and fish products. A complete protein must not lack EVEN ONE (emphasis supplied) essential amino acid in order to be considered complete." and on the inverse "An incomplete protein is any protein that lacks one or more essential amino acids in correct proportions. These can also be referred to as partial proteins. Even if the protein contains all the essential amino acids, they must be in EQUAL PROPORTIONS (emphasis supplied) in order to be considered complete. If not, the protein is considered incomplete" ~

If you wish to shortchange your body Spook that is up to you. I prefer getting everything in one package.

IronOre 2014-05-22 22:09:43 -0500 Report

Yes they do.
My sister had to stop being a vegetarian because she had a very serious iron deficiency.
Feel free to have the passions you want against eating meat but there is no need to condemn others because of their choice not to believe what you believe.

MamaSpook 2014-05-21 23:17:14 -0500 Report

Dear non Vegan Humans,
We will never have a peaceful society as long as its members contribute to the holocaust of animals. I'm sorry but as long as you are consuming, wearing or exploiting other animals, you are immoral, unethical & un-evolved. I don't care if this 'offends' anyone, I'm OFFENDED daily by the unnecessary brutality inflicted upon other Earthlings by my so called 'civilized' kind. No, actually I'm in fact revolted, disgusted and ashamed of my own kind. I have witnessed horrors, read accounts & watched videos of abuse against animals so diabolical I will never recover. I'm aware of the animal holocaust every waking minute and even in my dreams which are actually nightmares. There is a mass sanctioned animal holocaust that is ongoing, growing exponentially along with the explosive population growth of the human animal in just the last 50 yrs.. The biosphere and all the other Earthlings that RIGHTFULLY inhabit this planet were never meant to co exist with 7 BILLION faux carnivores. Be Vegan NOW, or be something less than humane.

"While we ourselves are the living graves of murdered beasts, how can we expect any ideal conditions on this earth? Animals are my friends…and I don't eat my friends." George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950 (Winner of the Nobel Prize in Literature 1925)

IamBubbely 2014-06-11 23:10:41 -0500 Report

Ok..I get it! To Each Their Own…You can holler to the hills and back but people will do as they please. Geesh…Calm Down…Be Blessed..Not Stressed! You can only Control You. We all have opinions and we can respect each others opinion ..without agreeing to it. Have A Great Day ☼

tmana 2014-05-25 07:06:17 -0500 Report

But you are killing plants to eat, too! Everything that lives is food for another thing that lives, even as our dead bodies are meant to decay and feed the worms whose refuse enriches the soil so that plants may grow.

The humanity, or lack of humanity, in continuing to live as individuals and promoting the continuation of our species, lies more in respecting that these other beings gave up their lives so that we (or if not us, some other animal!) might live a bit longer. Many spiritual paths include prayers for harvesting (including ritual slaughter), preparation, and consumption of plants and animals. While the prayers might only address that path's Deity or Deities, the intent goes back to the being or beings that we are about to (or have) consume(d).

artqween 2014-05-23 02:38:31 -0500 Report

Thank u for caring about our wildlife. I care too. And plez there is no such thing as offending anyone who kills our wildlife like that. That's calld poaching and it's against the law. It's cold blooded killing,… :(
And the fact that it is in our forum makes it even worse. There are some animals we can eat in the woods as long as it is legal. Poaching isn't legal.

Trudie Ann
Trudie Ann 2014-05-25 02:23:51 -0500 Report

I hunt and fish, but my Father taught me his rule, and his tribes rule which is to " Never kill anything unless you are going to eat it ". He said there is exceptions to the rule which is if an animal is trying to kill you, your family, your stock, etc. Then you are not only with in your rights, but protecting yourself, your family and a life.

IronOre 2014-05-22 22:06:17 -0500 Report

You must have a terrible problem watching National Geographic programs; they show animals killing animals on those quite often.

Nick1962 2014-05-22 18:43:47 -0500 Report

Un-evolved? Even if there were such a word, I’d have to disagree. 40 years ago you wouldn’t have had this forum to express your opinions. Immoral and unethical? My morals and ethics are biblically founded, and meat was allowed to be consumed – yes even in the Old Testament.
It’s called the food chain and had your ancestors not participated in it at some point, you’d likely not be here today. Some creatures of the earth were designed to shun meat. Others to survive solely on it. I too applaud your passion, however I’d think as humans, we need stop killing each other first. That is where civility and ethics is lost.

artqween 2014-05-23 02:41:03 -0500 Report

Not the way u are going about it. And the fact that u mention the bible your justification doesn't make it any better. Did u get the go ahead from Forest Rangers first? Nick :-(

MamaSpook 2014-05-22 20:02:00 -0500 Report

Ecclesiastes 3:19
For what happens to the children of man and what happens to the beasts is the same; as one dies, so dies the other. They all have the same breath, and man has no advantage over the beasts, for all is vanity.

SkyCam 2014-05-25 09:09:39 -0500 Report

LOVE this quote and use it often - for other reasons. In this format on DIABETES, it is not appropriate, along with all the OLD Testament and KIng James mentions. sheese

Nick1962 2014-05-23 07:53:25 -0500 Report

We can do this all day but I don’t think it fair to the original poster. Eat and live as you wish, but maligning others crosses a line and the judgment is not yours to make.

Romans 14:1-23 English standard version
“As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.”

IronOre 2014-05-22 22:04:36 -0500 Report

So the implication that you are making is that man and animals are equal ?
You are a very mixed up person.
Animals have no soul.

haoleboy 2014-05-22 17:22:45 -0500 Report

I disagree with your beliefs but applaud your passion.
Seems a bit odd to quote George Bernard Shaw while attempting to stand on high moral grounds though.


jayabee52 2014-05-22 17:18:43 -0500 Report

Spook, We are not "faux carnivores" we are real OMNIVORES, and our teeth prove it.

We have incisors for cutting (meat and plant material), canines for using on meat, molars for grinding plant material. So we are omnivores instead of "faux carnivores"

"The night before I compete, I like to have steak. Meat is especially important for female athletes because it provides them with the nutrients they need to perform at their best."
Sasha Cohen (Sasha Cohen is one of the most accomplished skaters of her time. High on her list of accolades are winning the 2006 U.S. Championship in St. Louis and a silver medal at the 2006 Olympic Winter Games in Torino, Italy.)

The nature of human beings is to eat meat and fruits and vegetables, and therefore we have to kill animals. I don't have a problem with that. But it's a sacred moment. It's a gift of life.
Eric Ripert ~

(G.B.S. is passe. What thing of importance has he done recently?)

CathyJ248 2014-05-21 21:21:26 -0500 Report

I very seldom do meatless. The body requires too much protein for me to realistically eliminate meat even for one day. Proteins will also fill you faster on less food, keep you fuller longer and in my case give me a more satisfying mouth feel. I have worked with a nutritionist for a long time and for the last 7 years my A1C has not been over 6.5

SkyCam 2014-05-25 09:16:18 -0500 Report

If you check out protein needed in grams per day, a couple pieces of bacon would supply that. I dont care if people eat flesh from other animals or not. It is up to each person's tastes. I commend you for stating this is a need for YOU and not everyone. Just keep in mind that Americans eat huge amounts of protein that is not needed. Like you, I have also found protein to be much more filling, and helps to maintain my bs at a more even level. I just dont eat the musculature of animals to be receive that protein balance.

GabbyPA 2014-05-21 20:21:14 -0500 Report

I do it often, maybe not every week but I do it a lot. I do use beans or lintels usually if I do that though.

Trudie Ann
Trudie Ann 2014-05-21 15:19:55 -0500 Report

I have never met a vegetable I didn't like. That being said, as far as I know the only meat I don't like is beef liver and pork liver. I love "good" food.
I do love my veggies and sometimes my meal is meatless, but I am not a vegetarian, or vegan. I am just a girl who was raised in the country and ate whatever my mother fixed which we usually raised. She was a great down home country cook. I learned a lot from her and she lived a long and healthy life as did my Dad.

haoleboy 2014-05-21 12:13:00 -0500 Report

I like the term "nutrition flexible".
Some days I may eat Vegan or vegetarian. Not by design necessarily but I generally do not eat meat for breakfast or lunch so if dinner ends up being vegetarian, which it often is, I can go a day or two without eating meat.
I tend to eat a mostly fish, some chicken, very little beef and no pork.


simonizer77 2014-05-21 12:00:46 -0500 Report

Meatless not often, but lean meats a lot. Lunches rarely contain meat and I eat a lot of fish. I also eat a lot of Morning Star Farms products. Surprisingly good tasting vegetarian. Tend to be lower in carbs and a great way to have something without meat.

ecm2008 2014-05-21 11:40:25 -0500 Report

I don't go meatless but have cut back on red meat…I eat mostly chicken and fish some pork…Like my veggies…

tabby9146 2014-05-21 11:03:34 -0500 Report

we do this on average about twice a week. I have cut down on red meat consumption for the same reasons that Jigsaw listed. My husband thinks it is crazy, but I have my beliefs, I know the facts of this and I can't convince him. I try to educate my family on things like that, but he insists on meat most nights. beans, cheeses, dishes with cheese, all veggies which is easier in summer with more variety of fresh veggies,and where I live, we get good fresh fish not imported fish from another country. We also like to have eggs for dinner once a week, or at least every couple of weeks,sometimes omelets, sometimes scrambled, they want my homemade regular pancakes, and do not like the healthier ones I cook, so when I prepare that, I have to have "both" kinds which can be a pain.

jigsaw 2014-05-21 08:36:45 -0500 Report

I keep the red meat consumption to a minimum. The main reason is because of anti-biotics and hormones frequently used in cattle. I do love a good steak or roast beef from time to time however. There are certainly benefits to be had from consuming meat. So every once in a while, I enjoy a good cut of beef.

Variety with diet is important to me. I don't focus specfically on any one food. Many heathy choices from most major food groups can be a good choice. Moderation is the key. Even healthy foods can have negative results when eaten in excess.

SkyCam 2014-05-21 08:31:28 -0500 Report

I've been a veggie since 1974 and so am pretty laid back about it. I don't think anyone should be guilted into a diet they are not interested in for a variety of reasons. Education is a good thing, however, and that truly is the meaning about this post. A meatless DAY a week is nothing but beneficial…to you and to the environment. Americans eat a tremendous amount of meat every day compared to the rest of this planet…Europeans, in general, are not as high of meat eaters than Americans. Example: Daily needs are 20 grams of meat per day. ONE slice of bacon is between 8 and 16 ounces! This is what I mean by Americans swimming in meat consumption. These numbers happen to come out of the Mayo Clinic, but you will find similar numbers anywhere if you Goggle it. Although I understand how protein in the diet of a diabetic can help with sugar balancing…eating as many grams of meat as the normal American consumption should surely be over the top enough to allow a sensible one day meatless meal.

tmana 2014-05-25 07:15:58 -0500 Report

I think your numbers are a bit off. A standard supermarket PACKAGE of bacon is between 12 and 16 ounces and has between 12 and 14 slices — so one slice of bacon is about an ounce. The big issue is that it's mostly saturated fat: 8-10 grams of fat to 1-3 grams of protein.

ICDA250 2014-05-21 07:06:30 -0500 Report

There are a lot of benefits to going meatless or Vegan for some individuals. There are some people like myself who have other medical conditions and or prescription drugs that predispose us to zinc, calcium, and other serious dietary deficiencies. High quality protein from meat or fish are the only real viable sources because to eat enough beans or other carbohydrates to obtain the necessary minerals and vitamins is difficult or impossible.Some of my deficiencies related to my genotype have been demonstrated by such tests as bone scans and blood test work and I am now starting on calcium with Vitamin D (which constipates me) and other supplements in addition to more meat and fish.without fat, sodium, or preservatives such is found in lunch meats.