Stem Cell Research Approved

dodo - 26123
By dodo - 26123 Latest Reply 2009-01-28 21:24:08 -0600
Started 2009-01-24 10:57:58 -0600

Do you guys think that with stem cell research being approved a cure to diabetes will be coming in time? I guess I've been hoping/waiting for a cure for as long as I can remember (when my brother started with his type 1 diabetes I was 6 yars old, and everything except death was supposed to have a cure…), and this seems like it could be the beginning of something!
What do you guys think?

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kdroberts 2009-01-27 08:26:57 -0600 Report

Did I miss something? Stem cell research has been approved for years and has being going on all over the world for over 100 years. The major research and theories started in the 60's and the last 15 years has lead to huge jumps in knowledge. As far as I know, no type of stem cell research was banned in the US, just that the federal government wouldn't support embryonic stem cell research but would continue to support animal and adult stem cell research. Even that ban was only in place since 1995 and California, Missouri and Michigan have all passed legislation that enabled the state to fund embryonic stem cell research.

Regarding diabetes, there is well established research going on and it has been trialed in humans with some encouraging results for all types. Too early for a cure but there have been small trials in Argentina in type 2's that were on insulin producing medications that ended up with about 85% of those people to come off that type of drug and have better glucose control.

highlandcitygirl 2009-01-27 09:05:01 -0600 Report

i must say kd, you are a smart and well read person. it is good to have someone who is on top of things! it helps to keep me straighten out! thank you!

Pauline B
Pauline B 2009-01-27 12:07:20 -0600 Report

I should have the entire posting before I spouted off… but at least what I wrote was correct.

Robert C. H.
Robert C. H. 2009-01-28 11:36:10 -0600 Report

No one is going to win this argument, this is like the mid east there will never be a solution as long as religion is involved. I feel this is a great opportunity,to find cures for so many things it is surly worth it. as a child that sat in schools waiting to be adopted, It never happened, I feel that these people that are so against it should be required to adopt all these unwanted children

LadyDi - 26259Miller
LadyDi - 26259Miller 2009-01-28 11:51:10 -0600 Report

You are so right, Robert. And everyone has to follow their own heart and beliefs. I understand that it is a very personal and emotional topic, but to say that someone who is pro-choice is also pro-abortion does not make sense. And to say that you know YOU are right and anyone not agreeing with you is WRONG is very arrogant. The people that are deemed "wrong" simply view the matter differently. We cannot use legislation to make everything evil in the world cease to exist. I just do not want someone telling me what I can or cannot do with respect to my own body, even though I oppose abortion and have no intention of every having one.

Pauline B
Pauline B 2009-01-28 21:24:08 -0600 Report

I agree with Lady Di… let me make my own medical decisions, and, as well, educate everyone with accurate sexual/reproductive information (if such is going to be taught at all).

Debe Pendice
Debe Pendice 2009-01-25 22:53:56 -0600 Report

I am overwelmed to hear this. This is something I have been looking foward to seeing, and glad its here now…Debe

LadyDi - 26259Miller
LadyDi - 26259Miller 2009-01-24 21:05:40 -0600 Report

Supports federal funding of embryonic stem cell research
Q: Would you expand federal funding of embryonic stem cell research?
A: I believe that we need to fund this. This is a tough issue for those of us in the pro-life community. I would remind you that these stem cells are either going to be discarded or perpetually frozen. We need to do what we can to relieve human suffering. It’s a tough issue. I support federal funding.
Source: 2007 GOP primary debate, at Reagan library, hosted by MSNBC May 3, 2007

Prosecute abortion doctors, not women who get them On “Meet the Press,” cCain said he had “come to the conclusion that the exceptions for rape, incest, and the life of the mother are legitimate exceptions” to an outright ban on abortions. “I don’t claim to be a theologian, but I have my moral beliefs.” If Roe v. Wade is overturned and abortion outlawed, McCain said he believes doctors who performed abortions would be prosecuted. “But I would not prosecute a woman” who obtained an abortion.
Source: Boston Globe, p. A9 Jan 31, 2000

Abortion OK if raped; and no testing for rape
McCain was asked whether he would reinstate the Reagan era rule that prevents international family planning clinics that receive federal funds from discussing abortion. “I don’t believe they should advocate abortion with my tax dollars,” McCain said, adding that he opposed abortion except in cases of rape and incest. He was then asked how he would determine whether someone had in fact been raped. McCain responded,“I think that I would give the benefit of the doubt to the person who alleges that.”
Source: New York Times, p. A17 Jan 25, 2000

Supports fetal tissue research; against over-intensity
McCain was asked how he could be anti-abortion and still vote to support fetal tissue research. He supports fetal-tissue research, McCain said, because it has helped make progress against Parkinson’s disease. McCain concluded that abortion rights and anti-abortion activists should cooperate on issues of foster care and adoption. He had made his decision on abortion, he said, “after a lot of study, consultation, and a lot of prayer.” He added, “I’d like to have less intensity on this issue.”
Source: Boston Globe, p. A11 Jan 22, 2000

LadyDi - 26259Miller
LadyDi - 26259Miller 2009-01-24 18:10:47 -0600 Report

John McCain During the 2008 Presidential Primaries:
While running for the Republican nomination, Senator McCain maintained his support for expanding funding for ESCR, including new lines.

At a Republican debate on May 3, 2007, he replied to a question about ESCR:

I believe that we need to fund this. This is a tough issue for those of us in the pro-life community. I would remind you that these stem cells are either going to be discarded or perpetually frozen. We need to do what we can to relieve human suffering. It's a tough issue. I support federal funding. (Source: On The Issues)

The McCain-Palin Campaign's Issue Statement:

As of September 6, 2008, the McCain-Palin campaign website features a statement on stem-cell research under the title "Addressing the Moral Concerns of Advanced Technology."

The second paragraph notes that Senator McCain has opposed the creation of embryos for research purposes, including through human-animal hybrids and cloning.

The third paragraph states:
As president, John McCain will strongly support funding for promising research programs, including amniotic fluid and adult stem cell research and other types of scientific study that do not involve the use of human embryos.

A Change or an Equivocation?:

It is hard to tell whether the issue statement represents a change in Senator McCain's position, since it does not explicitly reject ESCR. However, it does seem to indicate that other, morally acceptable forms of stem-cell research will receive priority in a McCain administration.

And the final paragraph promises that:

Where federal funds are used for stem cell research, Senator McCain believes clear lines should be drawn that reflect a refusal to sacrifice moral values and ethical principles for the sake of scientific progress, and that any such research should be subject to strict federal guidelines.

The Republican Platform:

The platform adopted at the 2008 Republican Convention also favors funding for non-ESCR forms of stem-cell research, but it does not explicitly rule out further funding for ESCR:

[W]e call for a major expansion of support for the stem-cell research that now shows amazing promise and offers the greatest hope for scores of diseases — with adult stem cells, umbilical cord blood, and cells reprogrammed into pluripotent stem cells — without the destruction of embryonic human life. We call for a ban on human cloning and a ban on the creation of or experimentation on human embryos for research purposes.

2009-01-24 18:29:01 -0600 Report

Thank you for all your helpful information and research. I am all for stem cell research. Like many others, I, too, am anti-abortion, but I feel that using the frozen embryos that would only be destroyed anyway, should be put to good use. If they are being destroyed, they will never be developed, so I say let them be used for good. Diane, you are alot better at explaining things and putting things into perspective than I am.

LadyDi - 26259Miller
LadyDi - 26259Miller 2009-01-24 18:33:20 -0600 Report

As you can see, the McCain-Palin ticket did (does) also support ESCR. I in no way wish babies to be killed to obtain stem cells, but I do advocate the other options. I see a lot of hope for millions of people in this research. Thanks for your kind words. I obviously am no expert and don't have all the answers, and I really do not care to get into big disagreements on here. Trying to keep it factual.

2009-01-24 20:00:15 -0600 Report

I agree as to not wanting to get into a big disagreement and such, but getting the facts right is very important. I know this is a hot topic, but we should be able to discuss things level headedly. I do hope that we all can get along too. Thanks again. We just need to remember that everyone has a different opinion, and we should be respectful of that.

2009-01-24 20:13:38 -0600 Report

You are very welcome. The information you provided is very informative for everyone, no matter which side of the fence you are on. I am open to listening and reading all sides of a discussion.

LadyDi - 26259Miller
LadyDi - 26259Miller 2009-01-24 15:06:54 -0600 Report

Here is a current list of the sources of stem cells:

Embryonic stem cells - They are harvested from the inner cell mass of the blastocyst seven to ten days after fertilization.

Fetal stem cells - These cells are taken from the germline tissues that will make up the gonads of aborted fetuses.

Umbilical cord stem cells - Umbilical cord blood contains stem cells similar to those found in bone marrow.

Placenta derived stem cells - Up to ten times as many stem cells can be harvested from a placenta as from cord blood.

Adult stem cells - Many adult tissues contain stem cells that can be isolated. The goals of stem cell research include curing diseases, cloning, and gene-line engineering. Cloning is directed towards making duplicate animals or humans. Gene-line engineering is directed toward permanent change in disease resistance and aesthetic and functional enhancements.

So what is the controversy all about? Those who value human life from the point of conception, oppose embryonic stem cell research because the extraction of stem cells from this type of an embryo requires its destruction. In other words, it requires that a human life be killed. Some believe this to be the same as murder. Against this, embryonic research advocates argue that the tiny blastocyst has no human features. Further, new stem cell lines already exist due to the common practice of in vitro fertilization. Research advocates conclude that many fertilized human cells have already been banked, but are not being made available for research. Advocates of embryonic stem cell research claim new human lives will not be created for the sole purpose of experimentation.

2catty 2009-01-24 14:30:48 -0600 Report

I understand that it comes from aborted babies. It kind of feels wrong in a way. Because I personally do not believe in abortion without a medical reason. But on the other hand, these babies are going to be aborted no matter what I say, so why not use this to help others. At least then they wouldn't die in vein. Maybe these little forgotten lives could save many.

2catty 2009-01-24 14:33:12 -0600 Report

Meridian is that true. Can they really use an adult's stem cell? I didn't know that. That is so much better than baby murder. I agree with you on this very sensitive issue.

Meridian - 26751
Meridian - 26751 2009-01-24 14:38:32 -0600 Report

The difference in the two stem cells is the one from the dead baby is pristine and not contaminated by age. So the only question is why not use one from a compatible adult?

2catty 2009-01-24 14:42:11 -0600 Report

That's right. I know we all hope and pray or whatever you do. But what message is this sending? Kill a baby to save me? I would rather for that baby to live and have a life. That baby may be the one to cure diabetes, aids, cancer, who knows what.

kdroberts 2009-01-27 11:41:46 -0600 Report

Actually, no. An embryonic stem cell has the ability to become any type of cell in the body. An adult stem cell is limited to become cells from the tissue of origin. Big difference.

They are also not from an aborted fetus. There are many stages of developing from fertilization to birth, the fetal stage is just one of them. The fetal stage starts after the 9th week, embryonic stem cells are harvested at the right time in the embryonic stage which is around 5 days. They are also not taken from embryos that are fertilized inside a woman. If it were to be taken from inside a human, it would be before the attachment to the uterus.

Personally I feel it's important to get the science correct before discussing things like this and abortion because a lot of people try to manipulate words to play on peoples emotions rather than use facts. Of course, a good number of people just don't know the facts or understand things. Like how somebody can be anti-abortion but pro choice.

2catty 2009-01-27 16:45:03 -0600 Report

I am most feel that life begins a conception the moment the heart beats. I do not feel in any way that I am wrong. I I killed my child as soon as I found out that I was pregnant. Then that is murdering my baby. If the stem cells are not found in the aborted baby and found in the cord and the baby is still killed to have these or just plain killed for any reason. Then it is still murder. I don't expect pro-abortion to agree. But then again I don't really give a rats @#@ what pro abortion people think. Not to be rude but I love babies more than politics.

highlandcitygirl 2009-01-27 16:56:49 -0600 Report

i know which side of the tree your on. i chose this side many years ago when i found myself " in trouble" i love my son and his father does too! it was my choice ,the right one for me.

highlandcitygirl 2009-01-27 17:09:28 -0600 Report

despite the shame that was dumped on me by the community, for the love of the child, i stayed my course, i have no regrets. the other way i would have, i know myself that well!

2catty 2009-01-27 20:08:15 -0600 Report

I was a teen-age mom with 2 babies couldn't drive no support from anyone. I had it as tough as you could get. I did not give up on me and I loved my babies and did it on my own. I now have a 3 year old and had a really rough pregnancy but a good husband. Either way I would never ever abort no matter what. I love my kids no matter what is on my plate.

kdroberts 2009-01-28 07:03:27 -0600 Report

Two things.

Embryonic stem cells are harvested long before a heart is even starting to be formed.

I've never met anyone who is pro-abortion, only pro choice. The two are not the same and are very, very different.

2catty 2009-01-28 07:55:36 -0600 Report

AHHH excuse me. Pro-choice same dang thing. TO get any stem cells for whos ever purpose the baby at conception or not has to die. I believe from the time of conception if you take this away it is stopping a life force that is met to be. Period…That is all I am going to say because I feel the way I feel and no one else is going to prove me wrong, because I am not wrong. Word play doesn't work, because I can match the best of them. This is a subject I get steamed about, because it is life.

sparkysmom 2009-01-24 14:34:10 -0600 Report

That is what I thought to Catty

2catty 2009-01-24 14:37:40 -0600 Report

Exactly. I couldn't imagine killing my child to help an adult. I would give my life for my little one.

highlandcitygirl 2009-01-24 14:42:52 -0600 Report

therein i rest my case! the tree is the one in the garden and in the end each person will have to decide. the "law" makes things legal, but its up to the heart of man, the road that is taken.

2catty 2009-01-24 14:50:32 -0600 Report

Oh we should not give them permission. No way no how. I wish I could change the abortion law. Make it that you can't without medical reason's. And make sure they are informed on adoption. People can make mistakes but be man or woman enough to follow through and give this baby a better life.

Anonymous 2009-01-26 20:16:55 -0600 Report

I would like to comment on this 'sensitive' topic of abortion.
First of all I would prefer that abortion wasn't an option.
They are put in the 'trash'.
The question remains should we not use this life and put it to go use?
My grandmother told me her story when I was in my late 20's about having 5 illegal abortions and ultimately losing her insides before she was 30. I was stunned when she told me that but it made me a think, if we didn't allow abortions it would open the door to the back alley abortions again. Something I wouldn't want my child to face.
This subject will never have an answer to please everyone but since this is going on lets try to accept it as
an extension of life from the unborn and bless the out come.

LadyDi - 26259Miller
LadyDi - 26259Miller 2009-01-26 21:19:21 -0600 Report

I was not going to get into this matter of abortion. But I feel as you do about the return to deadly "back alley" abortions. There are few things in life that are 100% "right" or "wrong", that perfectly satisfy every question that comes up. I abhor the taking of life for any reason, but I also do not want the government to legislate what I do with my body. Abortion is something every person should have the ability to decide for themselves, in my opinion. Do I wish there would never be another abortion? You bet! But there will be, one way or another. Where a rape has occured or incest has taken place, I really feel that individual needs to have the opportunity to do what they feel best. I don't think the government can legislate a moral issue such as that. Just my personal opinion.

Anonymous 2009-01-26 21:55:58 -0600 Report

I glad we can agree on the 'back alley' abortions being horrible.
My grandmother told me that she would take a night gown in a bag, go into a dirty back alley room…get the abortion with a coat hanger and get dressed if she could and leave. No medical treatment at all. This would have been in the 1920-30's. A horrible choice to make.
I never asked her what compelled her to do this.
Back in those days birth control wasn't an option for women like it is today. Women have better choices today and I like you, think it is a personal choice. Unless we walk in those shoes we shouldn't judge.

2009-01-26 22:35:23 -0600 Report

I personally would never have considered an anbortion. But, I, too, agree that we do not need to go back in time to those so-called "back alley" abortions. And all the talking in the world is not going to change a woman's mind if she has her mind set on getting an abortion. There may be a few minds you can change, but many, many more that unfortunately, you cannot. This is my opinion, and in saying that, I will not sit in judgement of someone who decides to go thru with one.

2009-01-27 11:09:04 -0600 Report

I certainly respect what you are saying. When all is said and done, we will all be judged by God.

highlandcitygirl 2009-01-24 14:55:46 -0600 Report

yes, i am in over my head! as for permission, did a leader give the nation a chance to vote for this or did we vote for one man to decide? and do we understand we are giving the leader our proxy and when it leaves our hands we have no power, it is then theirs!

Meridian - 26751
Meridian - 26751 2009-01-24 17:25:00 -0600 Report

This nation voted a democrat/liberal/pro-abortion/pro-embryonic stem cell research ticket into the white house. This nation voted a majority of the same into Congress. We gave them permission. We continue to give them permission every time we elect them. I've got one more thing to say on this topic before I get off my soap box and that is:

America…too soft to place a killer in a well deserved tomb, but brave enough to kill a baby before it leaves the womb.

2catty 2009-01-24 20:48:10 -0600 Report

You are so right. That is why I voted for McCain because of the abortion issue. I agree with Obama on a lot of stuff, but life preservation topped my list so I went with him. I can at least say I tried.

2catty 2009-01-24 20:57:01 -0600 Report

I really don't know if he was for stem cell development but I voted on the issue about the anti-abortion. If they already have some cells of course use them. Like I stated earlier, that way these babies did not die in vein, but don't kill anymore. It is plain out murder from the time of conception. In my faith all life is precious and to take a life force is the most awful thing on the planet.

Pauline B
Pauline B 2009-01-27 12:05:56 -0600 Report

I think the Stem Cell "aprroval" has to do with paying for FUNDING. The government is the source of funding for much of the science that is behind medical research (but not all). Drug companies do a lot of research but only if they see a return on their investment. Performing Stem Cell research is more like PURE science where the results are unknown, and it takes grants and government funding (of huge amounts), with no known payback.

I am curious as to what will develop from stem cell research, but don't expect miracles soon, no matter which type of stem cells are used. There is a large bio-tech industry here in Seattle partially fueled by some retired Microsoft money (not Gates) that is exciting to read about, but way beyond my "day" comprehension. A lot of it deal with cancer treatment.

A cure for diabetes? Certainly there is research going on. But we hear more about treatment and prevention. I wonder why?

Meridian - 26751
Meridian - 26751 2009-01-24 14:30:47 -0600 Report

The stem cells they are planning on using come from a human embryo. That means to some of us that they are killing a baby, much as an abortion is considered murder by some of us. They want to experiment, by killing an unborn child in the hopes of it working on a human. They don't even know if it will work…they do know it is killing an embryo. Did you know that they could use a stem cell from an adult for their experiments?

GabbyPA 2009-01-25 07:28:14 -0600 Report

It is taking a bad situation and at least using it. They are not making babies to kill. Abortion is not on my list of things I approve of, but if it is going to happen, then we should at least allow those babies to become part of the bigger picture in the only way they can at that point. ALSO. Stemcells are not only in unborn babies, there are many it is not as moral as people are making it out to be. Research the sources. Don't get caught up in the media portrayal of it.

sparkysmom 2009-01-24 14:22:10 -0600 Report

I am thrilled to have it finally approved. It could do so much good for so many people. I do think there needs to be some type of monitoring to keep it from being abused. Someone will always try to take shortcuts as in so many other things.

Bluebutterfly 2009-01-24 14:16:11 -0600 Report

I am really hopeful about the stem cell research Maybe it will come in time to help alot of us out. I certainly hope so.I hope it is a cure for a lot of things. I do have high hopes.

highlandcitygirl 2009-01-24 13:08:30 -0600 Report

why did it take so long for them to finally do this?

LadyDi - 26259Miller
LadyDi - 26259Miller 2009-01-24 13:15:37 -0600 Report

Those who oppose it, politics, legislation, etc.

highlandcitygirl 2009-01-24 13:20:54 -0600 Report

what reason did they give to oppose it? if its something people want, politicians usually fall all over themselves to get it for them.

highlandcitygirl 2009-01-24 14:17:31 -0600 Report

well after reading all that, i do recall some articles i've seen on t.v. i guess it just depends on what side of the tree your standing on ,if you will try it or not!

LadyDi - 26259Miller
LadyDi - 26259Miller 2009-01-24 13:05:56 -0600 Report

We can only hope and pray, but, like the others, I am very encouraged by what we are hearing. As Mary said, something that has been held up far too long. I think we're going to see some really astounding things come from this valuable research. Let's keep praying!

2009-01-24 11:46:35 -0600 Report

I think stem cell research should have been implemented a long time ago. I am glad to see that it has finally happened. Who knows what good will come from it, but I am sure there will be alot of great things to come for all sorts of medical problems.

teddybearcub1960 2009-01-24 11:33:13 -0600 Report

I heard this on the news last night, and from what I heard there is a hope that it can cure all sorts of diseases. I think that this is wonderful.

GabbyPA 2009-01-24 11:23:47 -0600 Report

I am thrilled to see this has finally been approved and is being implemented. They had a news piece on it this morning and they are going to start with spinal cord injuries. Anything they can do is a step in the right direction. I am excited to see what can happen with this research. It is the promise for so many illnesses.

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