By haoleboy Latest Reply 2014-03-15 17:18:43 -0500
Started 2014-02-24 22:42:56 -0600

Is there a compelling and medically sound reason to avoid grains?
I am not 'gluten sensitive', nor am I overweight. I eat oatmeal every morning for breakfast and whole grain bread, pasta or tortillas are almost always a part of my dinner.
Am I missing something here?


22 replies

tootsma 2014-03-11 20:41:31 -0500 Report

Never know what to eat know what not to eat been diabetic for 22 yrs i get so depressed at times

Shawn Grant
Shawn Grant 2014-03-02 09:12:58 -0600 Report

For a healthy none diabetic person, bread and other whole grain products is fine. Moderation is the key. Too much of anything can lead to health issues. Those with celiac disease, gluten can cause severe GI discomfort and harm. Those not sensitive to gluten, it is fine for them. The no gluten craze by people without gluten sensitivity is not substantiated by science. I am glad there are gluten free alternatives for those that do.

Bread, grains, whole grains or not has a lot of carbs in it. Carbs is sugar. Diabetics need to have little sugar in order to have normal blood sugar. Normal blood sugar leads to a healthy diabetic. That progression of logic leads to the conclusion that bread is not great for a diabetic. Some of us have more or less insulin insensitivity. Some of us can have little bread and many none at all. I can't have any. Nutrients in bread can be found elsewhere so I don't eat it.

Lakeland 2014-02-26 21:26:28 -0600 Report

I was told whole grains are higher fiber & keep you feeling full longer. I guess it's more about how they process it. sounds like your doing the good carbs. you definitely need proteins. For me my problem is I had too many carbs, If I had oatmeal, toast, juice & a piece of fruit, that's all carbs & My numbers spike. if you test you'll know if you are getting too many carbs

GabbyPA 2014-02-25 18:37:52 -0600 Report

Our modern day wheat has been found to be a main cause of inflammation and joint damage. Inflammation is a big cause of many chronic illnesses. I read a while back on how whole grains can also perforate some people's intestines.

I am striving to be gluten free, but that doesn't mean grain free. There are many grains that are gluten free, I am working on cutting out wheat mostly.

theladyiscrazy 2014-02-25 18:14:19 -0600 Report

What my doctor just told me was unless there is a medical issue (like an allergy) one should not totally eliminate a certain food group. However, everything in moderation. So, the typical American diet is not a good "diet" or lifestyle.

Glucerna 2014-02-26 22:43:28 -0600 Report

The whole idea of moderation is often difficult for people to wrap their head around. I like to use the plate guidelines for meal planning, with half of the plate lower carb veggies, 1/4 of the plate lean protein and the remaining 1/4 of the plate whole grains. ~Lynn @Glucerna

theladyiscrazy 2014-03-02 16:14:24 -0600 Report

I was just showed "the Ohio Plate", which is like you described. They add a piece of fruit and a glass of milk, which to me is too many carbs. I will discuss it more in my next diabetes class.

Glucerna 2014-02-25 18:00:30 -0600 Report

I appreciate this discussion and especially that people are willing to evaluate an eating plan that works well for them. Grains have been a part of our diet for thousands of years, but the important point is the form of the grains that we ate. I think this article sums it up really well: I lean toward including as many different types of foods as possible, both for a taste benefit as well as a health benefit. ~Lynn @Glucerna

jayabee52 2014-02-25 12:54:22 -0600 Report

Howdy Haoleboy
All I can go by is what has worked for me.

I struggled with my weight (always "husky") for most of my life and eventually developed T2 diabetes. I was put on Metformin, and then when my Kidneys failed on NPH insulin. When I thought it possible to control my T2 by what I ate, I dropped the use of all breads and other products made from grains (each for different reasons) and started eating low carb and high protein. How I eat can be found here ~

In reality it is all about learning how YOUR own metabolism works. To that end I have devised a method of finding out what works specifically for me, that can be found here ~
If you check out what particular foods and drinks are doing to your metabolism, you could be surprised.

God's best to you

Ladida 35
Ladida 35 2014-02-25 09:18:32 -0600 Report

Because of the problems with GMOs Dr Oz recently said no one should be eating wheat! I really agree since being without it I have much less pain from arthritis. A local health food has stopped stocking Kashi because GMOs are still in their products.
I think legumes are better than grains! I am a follower of the Blood Type program and being an O pos wheat is like poison for my body. The doctor that wrote the South Beach Diet also agrees. I just urging you to look into it. The FDA is doing little to protect us.
Carol Alt has a site and a weekly show on Fox News called A Healthy You.
Dr John LaPuma has books and many videos on YouTube. He happened to be a chef and a doctor that has helped people gain their healt back by what they eat!
I hope you find these resources helpful.

snoty 2014-03-15 11:53:01 -0500 Report

I very seldom eat wheat containing foods. When I need a carb. source for a snack or breakfast, I'll have a cup of Brown Rice Krispies cereal with Almond milk and stevia. Tasty and satisfying.

jigsaw 2014-02-25 10:35:35 -0600 Report

Certainly I cannot say which opinion is correct concerning grain, and especially wheat. The evidence is still evolving. I tend to lean in the direction of conventional medicine and age old concepts that have been well accepted with nutrition. At least until there is solid medical eviidence to prove it's wrong.
I would use caution with acceptance of new concepts and opinions in the mean time. There are at least as many, and probably more medical experts that disagree with the new concepts mentioned.
Here is an example, see both links:

haoleboy 2014-03-15 15:10:54 -0500 Report

if Dr. Oz or Dr. Mercola is 'flacking' something my inclination is to be very suspicious.

haoleboy 2014-03-15 16:52:39 -0500 Report

both Mercola and Oz have jumped on the grain free bandwagon. in keeping with your thought "use caution with acceptance of new concepts and opinions"… or perhaps just another senior moment ;)

jigsaw 2014-03-15 17:08:54 -0500 Report

Guess I was a bit slow on that one! Slipped right by me. Hate to think it was a senior moment! Then again, a bit of time elapsed since my reply on the subject.
A valid point on your behalf concerning Mercola and Oz though.

haoleboy 2014-03-15 17:18:43 -0500 Report

sorry … delayed response on my part … but then I am brain damaged (and have the MRI to prove it) ;)

Nick1962 2014-02-25 08:36:18 -0600 Report

Compelling medical evidence? No. However, grains are not something we’ve been designed to process (just think about how much work goes into making them edible), and any nutritional value they provide can easily be found elsewhere.
Now, I don’t totally share Mark Sisson’s views on grains here; but I think he does make some very valid points.

They are a cheap commodity as a food source though, and unfortunately have been abused as such. I could go into all the anecdotal anti-grain studies, but I think common sense would tell us that there is a point at which they become unhealthy in a diet. My glucometer pretty much told me what level of grains are acceptable for me.

jigsaw 2014-02-25 10:00:20 -0600 Report

There are many pros and cons on the subject of grains. That happens to apply to many categories of foods. For now, I happen to lean towards the pros of eating grains. I suspect that if you totally eliminate a food group, then you also eliminate some nutritional benefits.
Mark Sisson leans toward the negative! I am posting a link that includes an article that I think is more balanced in both the pros and cons. The second link is mostly pro grain as written by a coach. Either way, it's all good information to digest and take into consideration.

Nick1962 2014-02-25 10:37:19 -0600 Report

Yes, I’ve read that article and countless similar ones both pro and con, and all seem to have a particular agenda, sometimes very well supported, sometimes not, to prove their position.
My disagreements come when I see statements like “…..fewer grains eaten equals more meat, nuts and fruit…..that means more body fat.” No, no it doesn’t. I eliminated a lot of grains simply because they were what was keeping me obese. The most irksome….”Meanwhile, animals raised for meat are enormous grain-eaters too.” True, but they are-force fed these grains for the specific purpose of higher fat content. Left to their own, these animals would eat grass/vegetation. There are very few animals that actually seek grains as a food source which is one of the main reasons it can be raised in such abundance.

End of the day, grains in my humble opinion are OK in some quantity because in our current world, it’s often the most convenient form of nutrition. Honestly, if you tried to get protein into a kid in the form of a hamburger, you’d likely not do it if it weren’t on a bun, and most teens wouldn’t sit down to a meal of two hard-boiled eggs or a chicken breast. Egg or chicken salad on wheat, no problem.

I will still opt for eggs, meat protein and fruit for breakfast over oatmeal simply because of the effect oatmeal has. Grains have their place if used judiciously.

jigsaw 2014-02-25 06:54:38 -0600 Report

I don't think you're missing something. Grains are a good source of fiber. Unless you are allergic or sensitive to grains in some way, then I believe they are an important food source. I have questioned two registered dieticians on this subject, and both included grains in my diet!
Check out these links from the Mayo Clinic, and The American Heart Association.