By msann Latest Reply 2014-03-09 13:33:38 -0500
Started 2014-02-24 17:27:41 -0600


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shorty1965 2014-03-09 13:33:38 -0500 Report

I don't check my numbers two hours after I eat but I do check them. I'm going to start keeping record on this website I like the fact that I can do that now its a big help to me.

shorty1965 2014-03-04 19:04:38 -0600 Report

After I eat I'm reading my my notes about my progress and how I'm doing.if good or bad when I read it helps me.

shorty1965 2014-03-04 10:39:32 -0600 Report

I'm reading my numbers and different books on my iPad and trying to read all of my friends response on the DC.

lanykins 2014-03-01 09:34:46 -0600 Report

I must admit that I do not test my BS until it is time for my next meal. My numbers run a little low and I am terrified of seeing a high number! I am also quite disabled and I don't exercise. I could walk some but I don't. I'm always tired. I've been diabetic for 35 yrs. now, I think that I am lazy and also just want to give up. I haven't yet but I'm alone in my life and that makes it hard to want to keep on.

shorty1965 2014-03-09 13:30:04 -0500 Report

When my numbers are high I don't want to do anything.but sense I have been having better numbers I feel I lot better and have more energy to do a lot more and feel better.
Try to keep you're numbers more normal as much as you can and you will feel much better.

palmal 2014-03-01 19:09:47 -0600 Report

Hi lanykins,
I have pain every day, had 4back surgeries. There are days I cannot do what I would like to do. Being tired, yes I am most of the time but my Thyroid is not working good. I have health issues too.
Bless your heart, I am sorry you are alone. I know it is hard but please do not give up. We are here to talk and help you. Wish I were close to you then we could get through this together. Keep going you seem to be doing the right thing. You can do it!

lanykins 2014-03-07 08:02:22 -0600 Report

Thank you palmal. You have an awful lot to go through. Health issues make it hard to deal with other problems.
I'm not going to give up. I just need to set myself a stricter schedule to get the things done I need to. Bless your heart, wanting to be nearby to get through this together. I would like that very much also. I think I could help you too. I'm glad you think I'm doing the right thing.
It's good to know I can come to DC to read and talk to people. Wish I could get there on my computer, but my kindle gets me there. I just can't see the whole website from it. Please take good care of yourself. You can get through all you must with help. I do know that people can talk to each other here about more than their diabetes. I look forward to seeing you here and talking more. Don't let the pain get you down. It is a day by day thing, even when we are so tired. Keep it up!

palmal 2014-03-07 15:38:38 -0600 Report

Lanykins, you are so right. Thanks for writing and making an old hardheaded person take note. Sometimes I want to give up, then I see someone with more issues than me and it is a wake up call. You take good care of yourself too. Has the winter been harsh in your area? I am in Northeastern Louisiana, moved here after hurricane Katrina. Big difference for sure. This is the coldest winter since we moved here. Be safe and keep working on your diabetes.

palmal 2014-02-28 21:50:05 -0600 Report

After two hours I have 100 to 105. I need to exercise walk and total gym to keep this number..

mary, the diabetes lady
mary, the diabetes lady 2014-02-27 23:55:48 -0600 Report

jayabee52 I am sorry to hear that you're back on dialysis again. My mom lived with us and was on dialysis for two years. It was a difficult time for her. I truly hope you will be able to come off dialysis as you did in 2006-07.

Have you ever read Dr. Richard Bernstein's book, "Diabetes Solution"? He is a T1D and was near renal failure. He was an engineer before becoming a doctor and he used his engineering to determine that a low carb diet would save his life. This book changed my husband and my life.

I wonder if you could tell me if you were / are on statin drugs? I've been doing some research on statins and it would be helpful if you could share that information with me. Did the doctor's tell you why you needed to go on dialysis? Thanks so much. God bless you. I truly pray you will be able to come off the dialysis.

Shawn Grant
Shawn Grant 2014-02-28 06:25:48 -0600 Report

I read diabetes solution by Bernstein 2 weeks after being diagnosed. It is why I am on the diet and exercise regime I am on. However there are a lot of quack DR's out there, so I used the book as a starting point. I did a lot of research in peer reviewed journals on what long term high blood sugar and spikes can cause. This is 130 plus. You will eventually develop diabetic complications. There is a lot of good peer reviewed literature that says an ultra low carb diet is the only way to control blood sugar. Even the ADA has such literature. Dietitians and DR's agree to this diet though they don't recommend it because most people won't follow it and there no data on long term effects. I know what the long term effects of 40 grams of carbs meal. That is nerve damage, increased heart disease, strokes, loss of eyesight, loss of kidney function. No thanks. I will stick to my 15 grams of carbs per meal.

jayabee52 2014-02-28 02:54:16 -0600 Report

Thanks for your kind words Mary

I have not read Bernstein's book. I am already on a low carb meal plan and control my T2 using that method.

Yes I had been on statins, simvistatin, in fact. I was put on them back when I was on Metformin. Dr said it was "Prophylactic" trying to head off potential heart trouble (he had at one time thought I was on them, my cholesterol was so good) I took them for a while but then learned of their dangers and so discontinued them (in 2010, I think). I pray I'll get off again, but am thinking that is not likely. I may have to get a transplant to get off dialysis.

What originally whacked my kidneys was a Kidney infection. My prostrate had closed up and the urine backed up into my kidneys and I got an infection from that. This last time, my kidneys had been weakened by the infection in 2006, and recovered enough to allow me to DC the treatment but not enough to bring it back to 100% or even to where I should nomally be at my age.(because even the stongest kidneys decline with age).

Thanks again for your kind thoughts, words and prayers.

And please Mary, you may call me James

God's best to you and yours

James Baker

Shawn Grant
Shawn Grant 2014-02-27 17:34:48 -0600 Report

My goal is normal blood sugar. That is the same blood sugar as a none diabetic, between 80 to 110. I have a hard cutoff at 120. I do not tolerate my blood sugar to go above 120. 2 hours after a meal I average between 90 to 100. I do this by exercising daily and diet. I lift weights every other day and the rest fast walk. 2 miles in 30 minutes.

I have eliminated all grains even whole grain. No milk as it has lactose and lactose is sugar. No potatoes and many, though not all root veggies. Starchy veggies and beans are gone, period. I also don't eat fruit. I eat meat and a much larger portion of leafy, stalky veggies. I will also eat most cheeses. I will not have anymore than 15 grams of carbs per meal. For breakfast, half that to combat the dawn phenomena.

Just 25 grams of carbs and my blood sugar is 130. Just 40 grams and I am in the 140's. Over several years of this and I will develop complications. That is why I never let my blood sugar to get that high. The ADA recommends 40 to 60 grams of carbs per meal. You will develop diabetic complications following their dietary guidelines.

palmal 2014-02-28 21:46:22 -0600 Report

Wow you are well read. I like what you write and will try the carb amount. I did Atkins and it was ok for a while but I got off it . think I better go back to it. You are a great mentor. Thanks.

mary, the diabetes lady
mary, the diabetes lady 2014-02-28 12:36:44 -0600 Report

Hi Shawn
You are my HERO! Why can't everyone see it like you do? I would love to take you to our classes on How We Beat Diabetes and have you share your story.

I read your post with a huge smile on my face. You are so right. You follow the same low carb lifestyle that my husband and I do. It is amazing to me what an incredible difference it has made in our lives.

We have people come into our classes who's doctors have told them that a fasting blood of 140 is good and they don't need to worry about complications! Ugh!

We had a wonderful woman in our last class who was quite a bit on the roly-poly side. She shared with the class that she went to her doctor and told him that she wanted to lose weight but had tried everything. Her doctor, from a large teaching hospital here in Cleveland OH, told her that they offered bariatric surgery at that hospital and she should have that done! I had to pick my chin up off the floor. The doctor offered that to her as his first option to help her lose weight!

She went on the low carb plan that we talk about in our classes. She sent me this email:
"I wanted to thank you once again for the insightful class you held for the Parma Adult Education class this past October. I don't expect you to remember me; I'm the woman whose sister was undergoing dialysis and whose doctor said I should have bariatric surgery. Well, I was waiting for the magic date of Friday the thirteenth for my endocrinologist appointment. I took my list of questions, as usual, and was dying to find out my A1C number. Since taking your class I have lost 23 pounds and my husband, also diabetic, has lost 34.
My previous A1C was a 10.2. I told the doctor the changes I have made to my diet and exercise routine. He was happy about the weight loss, but like me was concerned about my A1C. Imagine the shock for both of us when he came in and glowingly reported my A1C - a 7.0 !! My lipid panel and cholesterol is scheduled to be done at the end of January. I'm a little concerned about that. But my endocrinologist told me to stay the course and keep up the good work. I simply wanted to thank you for taking the time to tell your husband's journey. If I hadn't discovered your class I would still be using larger amounts of insulin and getting more and more ill. Thanks again! I hope Santa is extra kind to you this season.
With sincere gratitude,

It is so awesome for me to get these kinds of reports from people who have taken our classes.

I can not stand to see people suffering because of what I consider the ridiculous advice being handed out by well meaning doctors. People keep going to the doctor, doing what the doctor tells them but their health gets worse and worse. Then the doctors love to tell everyone: "Diabetes is a debilitating disease." It's chronic yes but debilitating - NO! Not if you REALLY know what to do.

In our classes that run 2 hours per class, once a week for 4 weeks, we share with everyone what we learned, where we learned about it and how we implemented what we learned to change our lives.

I am passionate about helping PWD. I am angry at the way it is being done by physicians today. I am not a doctor nor do I hold any medical license. I do not diagnose or treat any illness nor do I want those in our classes to construe that we are telling them what to do. We share what we did to educate PWD that there is a better way. Our goal is to make them an empowered patient so they may become a proactive partner with their doctor in their own healthcare.

You are fantastic, Shawn! Bravo!!!!!

MarkS 2014-03-04 07:29:04 -0600 Report

Do you realize that a post-prandial blood sugar for a non-diabetic is not more than 140 mg/dL and for a diabetic the goal is approximately 180 mg/dL? A typical fasting blood glucose range for a diabetic is 70 to 140 mg/dL. Controlling diabetes is not about being unrealistic, which sets people up for failure. Its about making smart choices. Shawn stated "You will develop diabetic complications following their dietary guidelines" in reference to the ADA's recommendations. I'd like to know the data he has to support those conclusions. When people believe what he has said is fact it sets them up for failure and a sense of hopelessness about diabetes. What Shawn stated is his opinion, and he should state that it his opinion and only his opinion. I have yet to see clinical data to support his opinion of having a blood sugar greater than 130 mg/dL will lead to diabetic complications (a recommended A1c of 7.5 is an average blood sugar of approximately 150 mg/dL). And how do you "know" the long-term effects of 40 grams of carbs per meal? Have you done a controlled clinical study? (The typical normal meal contains 30 to 40 grams of carbohydrates.)

Shawn Grant
Shawn Grant 2014-03-02 13:20:09 -0600 Report

Mary, 20 years ago I quit my job and moved to a different city to take care of my dad. He had a hard time walking because his feet were sore. He had many eye surgeries. He had congestive heart failure. He was diagnosed in 1978. During that time he never ate sweets and never missed a DR appt. He was told he is eating correctly and his blood sugar is fine. He ate the diet that the ADA advocates. He kept getting sicker and died of a heart attack. When I was diagnosed I know I could not follow my dad's footsteps. I am a huge advocate of science and critical thinking. I teach astronomy at a local state park. My data has to be sound science. All of the current peer review literature shows that a low carbohydrate diet plus exercise is the only way to control blood sugar. Research also shows that diabetes is not progressive. It is chronic like you say, but if you are responsible and keep your sugar at normal it will not progress in most cases.

There are a few concerns I am still researching. One is am I getting all the necessary nutrients? The other is will I lose too much weight? I am thin and fit and I don't need to lose weight. I have lost 5 pounds in the past few months. Hope I will plateau.

I am not liking my Dr. He is a great GP for overall healthcare. He spends time with you and shows that he cares. I do think he is somewhat misguided on diabetes. He has done some things right. First thing he did is run test to make sure I am not type 1 since I don't fit the type 2 profile. I am type 2. He ran test to make sure I have good liver and kidney function. I do. He checked for nerve damage and I have none. My cholesterol and blood pressure is great. I am perfectly health other than the fact that if I eat oatmeal my blood sugar will get up in the 160's. He stated with diabetics, there are 3 important numbers. 1st priority is cholesterol, 2nd blood pressure, 3rd, as an after thought, is blood sugar. He put me on blood pressure and cholesterol meds. I don't like that and disagree with it. As far as diet, he told me not to eat white. That's it. He also told me to check blood sugar 3 times a week and only prescribed enough test strips for that. I test much more often and buy the rest out of pocket.

Another concern I have is loneliness. I have full support from my wife and my mom. They understand and support my diet. They are great cheerleaders. I would like to talk to other responsible diabetics in my local area and I don't know any. I know a lot of diabetics. There are 4 in my department at work. All diabetics I know do not take care of their diabetes. All of them! I am the only one that takes the disease seriously and that is lonely. One co-worker was literally bragging that she got the meter to say HI. She later tested and her sugar went down to 580. It averages 400. It would be great to have a local responsible diabetic group. It would be handy for local restaurant tips, super bowl parties and other gatherings with only good food served and so forth.

locarb 2014-03-02 17:11:19 -0600 Report

Interesting post. I understand about diabetics not taking care of themselves. I had a friend who either truly believed, misunderstood or lied to himself about medication. He would inject himself each night without testing and would eat anything that he wanted. Total disregard to his health. He passed away last year behind the wheel of his car at a high speed. His wife was a passenger in the car but survived.

I'm probably guilty of encouraging others to take care of themselves and others whom they are responsible for. Possibly to a fault. I think how you're addressing our own care is great and should motivate and inspire others.

bayridgevet 2014-02-25 16:05:22 -0600 Report

Hi, my blood sugars after 2 hours are usually around 120. Before my transplant they definitely were a little high 160-175. There are a lot of factors involved so if yours are very high I'd check with the doctor…Good Luck, Gregg

jayabee52 2014-02-25 18:33:06 -0600 Report

transplant? what did you have transplanted?

bayridgevet 2014-02-26 06:56:23 -0600 Report

I had a simultneous kidney pancreas tx after 6 six years hemo dialysis

jayabee52 2014-02-26 15:00:50 -0600 Report

That is great to hear! I am now on hemo dialysis myself.Had been on it for 10 mo in 2006-07 and then my kidneys healed enough I could get off until 02/2013. Now I am back on dialysis again

Babes6995 2014-02-25 14:49:50 -0600 Report

I really never know what my sugar is, since it goes up and down constantly. I know have hyperthyroidism, and that is messing with my sugar, and a lot of other things. It really gets very discouraging, and fustrated. I get into very lows and seem to never feel good.
Rita S.

jayabee52 2014-02-25 15:13:31 -0600 Report

Sorry to hear that Rita. With most of us our Blood Glucose (BG aka "sugars") are constantly in flux. Note that most of us gave a range of numbers which we get 2 hrs postprandial. What was your last 2 hr post meal reading?

I know what I feel like when I feel lousy. and it is not fun so I feel for you.

God's best

James Baker

Pastor Naomi
Pastor Naomi 2014-02-25 13:36:53 -0600 Report

Hi, folks, Pastor Naomi here. I have not been on in quite a while. we are retired now. Our 5 adult children & in-law children have kept busy with giving us 14 grandchildren, many of whom are full grown and thru school. We are becoming great-grandparents in several months, so we have been going and doing stuff with our kids and grandkids, sometimes babysitting, other times visiting exciting places as family. I am like Debbie was it jf, I can't remember. She said she could not get around and exercise. I have the same problem, probably for different reasons. Without being able to exercise, I have more trouble taking care of my results, but unlike most of you, I have been Type 2 for 8 years and I have always tested 7 times per day. I took classes at our local hospital, and they said tests should be done for the following reasons: before you eat, 2 hours after, at bedtime so you don't go low in the night, and especially before you drive (especially trips. My husband is blind now and can't drive. So you know who gets behind the wheel. I don't test before going to the store for monthly groceries, but I do before I drive to any of the kids. I watched my granddaddy die of diabetic complications, namely heart. Then I watched how my mom and my uncle dealt with their diabetes. I also had gestational diabetes 38 & 36 years ago. I have always watched what I ate since then because I didn't really want it (diabetes) back. Consequently, I did not become diabetic until I was in my upper 50"s. Now we are in our upper 60"s, and he lost his sight 11 yrs ago, and I am disabled. My after meal readings are usually good unless one of us preformed a wedding and were invited to the reception. Now that will blow your best efforts. my readings can be as low as 89 or as high as 150 2 hours after. When they are higher I know I did not eat well. Sunday at church there were 4 of us girls in the restroom and I listened as one woman told her friend that she was not allowed to eat fruit at all because of her diabetes. My endocrinologist is not that specific. I have to watch the glycemic index of my fruit, and other foods as well, stick with low carbs, give myself 5-6 insulin shots per day, and record my results for Medicare forever, so they will cover my test strips, etc. I fought with them for months after I was on Medicare because they only wanted me to have a few test strips. After 3 appeals, I won! I do not have to stop testing the way I always have. Good luck with your results, and I fear I have written a book. My HgA1c has been between 5.2 & 5.9 for 8 years, and I do the best I can. We are on Meals on Wheels, and that can mess you up sometimes. Traveling to ministry meetings is another thing that gets me. Good luck and God bless.

Nana_anna 2014-02-25 10:35:32 -0600 Report

It depends on the time that I take my insulin before breakfast and at dinner. I usually don't check it afterwards. But I catch between the high moments, which is up in the 200s. Usually about 8 p.m. it goes back down in the 100s.

muirj3 2014-02-25 08:20:19 -0600 Report

What you eat is critical to what your sugar level will be 2 hours after eating. Too much carbs generally leads to high blood sugar levels.
The advice I have had from diabetic professionals is as follows:
1 If after your main meal your sugar levels go above 7.8 or 142 then there is a problem. ie two hours after eating. Be careful of getting venus blood which raises your levels artificially. ie you have to squeeze to get blood, not a natural flow.
2. Levels in excess of 7.8 or 142 cause a build up over time ( could be 10 years or more) which in effect considerably increase your chances of a stroke , heart attack etc. …
3. Diabetic control revolves around 3 things and if you leave out one you can eventually expect problems. ie Diet, exercise (daily 1 hour) and testing 2 hours after main meals.
4. Do not be fooled by thinking that you have an excellent HBA1c result and you are therefor ok. What about the times when you have not tested and sugar levels have exceeded 7.8 . HBA1C is the average

Hope this helps because it is the advice we are giving our support groups over here in South Africa
Cheers and good luck in your endeavours

msann 2014-02-25 10:24:58 -0600 Report

Thanks so much for very helpful advice anything else very appreciated I salute for your work abroad have a great day!!!

tabby9146 2014-02-25 10:12:05 -0600 Report

so true!!! I dont thnk for one minute that just because my A1C is always 5.3 - 5.4 that it will alwys be that way and while my doc says test once a day, I try to do that every day at various times. sometimes though, after doing well for the past 5 yrs, I forget. But I must not let myself ever think that those numbers are not going to change. best thing is to always be watchful no matter how well things are doing. I try to keep a log too so this was a good reminder for me.

Type1Lou 2014-02-25 07:30:06 -0600 Report

Gary Scheiner in his book "Think Like a Pancreas" has a chart with ranges for Post-meal BG's. There are 3 categories of ranges, depending on the level of control you want. This chart list the 1-hour post-meal ranges as under 160 mg/dl or 5.6 mmol for very tight control; under 180 or 10.0 for typical control; under 200 or 11.1 for looser control. Even though it's not the 2-hour post-meal you're looking for, I thought it might be of interest.

jayabee52 2014-02-25 14:20:17 -0600 Report

Thanks Lou for including the mmol/l numbers for those who are from outside the USA and measure their BG levels using that metric.

Debbiejf 2014-02-25 04:42:55 -0600 Report

Since I'm unable to really get around/exercise, my bs runs a little higher than most but not dangerously so…and it depends on what I've eaten of course, my endo and nutritional adviser have both told me that the very highest my bs should be after 2 hours is 180. I'm kind of anal about checking my bs every 2-4 hours. My a1c's have been no higher than 6.9 in the last 3 years.

pperoh 2014-02-24 21:00:36 -0600 Report

Thank you for asking this question. I've been trying to get a general guideline for a while. One of my counselors told me that if my blood sugar rose to 125, I was too high! I'm going crazy because I'm trying to keep it around 125. So a rise of no more than 40 gives me a guide! :)

GabbyPA 2014-02-24 20:41:59 -0600 Report

That really depends on what I ate. Salads, I can do well and keep my rise under 20 points or sometimes it will even go down. If I eat something more full of carbs, it can go up 70-80 points (not good). The goal is always to keep an after meal test to rise less than 40 points.

Debbiejf 2014-02-25 04:36:29 -0600 Report

Apparently I've been in the dark lately…I've never heard of the 'point' system. I don't know when I will be back on dc, it's usually months in between visits unless someone sends a friends request or has 'liked' a reply I've posted.

jayabee52 2014-02-25 18:37:41 -0600 Report

please Debbie return to DC more frequentlly than that!

Guess I'll have to occasionally find and like whatever you post to get you to come more often! LoL!

Debbiejf 2014-02-25 21:57:35 -0600 Report

Aaww, jayabee, you're so sweet :) I think the fact that none of us can actually talk to each other via chat, i.e., it kind of hinders the interaction, it's not in real time.

GabbyPA 2014-02-25 18:27:47 -0600 Report

By points here I mean on your meter. If you test before a meal and you are 100 and then after a meal you want to stay below 140 if you can. If you start higher, you want to try to still keep that rise 40 points or less. Even better if you can drop from the higher number down.

margokittycat 2014-02-25 08:48:56 -0600 Report

The point and exchange system is from over 30 years ago. My original endo was a blessing when I moved I was unable to find another that seemed to care, but my new endo does. She is great.

margokittycat 2014-02-24 19:28:09 -0600 Report

Mine alldepends on activity and carb in take along with stress and my insulin. I am doing my thing wih the educator tomorrow with insulin to carb ratio so we can try and get it figured out and get me on an insulin pump. Ihave been diabetic for 33+ years and have been allergic to long lasting insulins so the short term are what I have been taking and 6-8 shots a day and 8-12 finger pokes is tiresum.

Diane Dorfman
Diane Dorfman 2014-02-24 20:36:07 -0600 Report

oh no, you poor thing. I take 2 shots a day and hate that!

Chairmaker 2014-02-24 19:26:15 -0600 Report

Mine use to be off the chart so to speak but after changing how much of and just what I ate, the numbers were in a more normal range. Just like Laurene said, depending on what and how much made a real big difference in mine. Hope this has helped.

teri1022 2014-02-24 19:12:00 -0600 Report

Mine goes to around 130 or so. Also depends on what I eat. Once I get up and moving, it goes back down.

Preacher1 2014-02-24 19:02:57 -0600 Report

Mine can spike to around 200. It varies by my schedule, stress, intake; and activity after eating. Knowing my history I try to anticipate my activity and bolus accordingly. My last A1C was 7.3

Leopold's Community
Leopold's Community 2014-02-24 18:44:54 -0600 Report

Mine usually spike high. Doctor don't know why it does that. So, since I have been giving myself usually the same amount of units of Novalog. I give myself a shot before I eat a meal.

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