dairy: devil or not??

By Anonymous Latest Reply 2014-02-24 10:59:22 -0600
Started 2014-02-19 06:06:19 -0600

hi to everyone!i recently visited a new nutricionist who actually told me to pay very special attention to the controlled use of dairy staff like milk,yoghurts cheese for sandwitches and …mars bars for hypos!having limited all those things in my diet,i have seen a really great improvement in my blood sugar levels..!has any dr ever talked to you about sth like this or do you think that i am experiencing a kind of placebo effect??i was under the impression that dairy staff was not only harmless,but also beneficial in a diabetic diet!any experiences on that?

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tabby9146 2014-02-24 10:57:43 -0600 Report

I have switched at least most of the time to Almond Milk. sometimes I have soy milk.

tabby9146 2014-02-24 10:59:22 -0600 Report

I have cheese, and other dairy just not way too much of it. I still drink skim and 1% milk at times, in something like cold cereal or low sugar oatmeal but for the most part, because of the hormones and all that in regular milk and all the news that is out there about it and has been for years, I just feel better about the milk alternatives.

Glucerna 2014-02-21 15:52:46 -0600 Report

This is a really interesting discussion, and I'm glad to hear that each person is willing to figure out what types of foods work the best for you. Some types of dairy products like yogurt and milk contain both carbohydrate and protein, and the carbohydrate obviously can affect blood sugar levels. All dairy that's made from whole milk contains fat, and the type of fat in dairy is primarily saturated, which is the type of fat that can increase risk of heart disease. Dairy products that contain fat also contain cholesterol. Of course, fat-free dairy products like fat-free yogurt and skim milk contain no cholesterol and no saturated fat. If someone enjoys dairy products then I think it makes sense to evaluate how they affect your blood sugar levels and decide how often to use them. ~Lynn @Glucerna

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2014-02-19 22:09:54 -0600 Report

I was never told this and I drink whole milk. I also eat eggs, cheese and no sugar added ice cream.

venis27 2014-02-20 01:46:28 -0600 Report

Actually I don't think that there is anything wrong with eating dairy stuff, but overuse must be avoided. And when I was told about this from my nutritionist, my first thought was that I make a very moderate use of this kind of staff, but then, after a second thought, I realised that I eat dairy 3-4 times per day in generous portions…(milk in the cereals in the morning, cheese in small home made "snack" sandwitches, "Feta" greek cheese in the dinner :-) and Mars bars or whatever similar used when I have a hypoglycemic event)..So, I would strongly suggest that someone tries to moderate dairy use, in my case I think that's for good.

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2014-02-20 09:45:51 -0600 Report

I agree with you that there is nothing wrong with eating dairy. The problem comes in if you are lactose intolerant or have cholesterol problems. Each person has different dietary needs. I think your nutritionist told you this for some reason that applies to you which I don't think you have disclosed other than the fact you eat dairy products 3-4 times a day. You could be over using dairy. Could it be lactose intolerance, high cholesterol or another reason? I have never had a nutritionist tell me not to eat dairy. I understand your concern for yourself and others which is why you strongly suggest that people try to moderate dairy use. I for one am going to ignore this because unless it comes from my doctor or nutritionist, I am going to continue doing what works for me.

Dairy products such as eggs, milk, cheese contain protein which benefits diabetics and it is incorporated in my diet. My cholesterol is in good shape now and my doctor changed how I can have dairy products. I have food allergies and my nutritionist compiled meal plans that will work for me.

venis27 2014-02-20 10:11:18 -0600 Report

no,nothing like lactose intolerance or cholesterol problem in my case..!of course,if your diet works for you, you shouldnt change anything at all!mine wasn't working that much,and thats why nutricionists are for..! :-)

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2014-02-20 10:51:16 -0600 Report

My nutritionist is also my neighbor and good friend. I read her your response and asked questions. She said a good nutritionist develops a meal program for each individual person so therefore, what your nutritionist told you applies to you specifically. She said for some reason she wants you to modify your dairy intake.

I have heard her speak at diabetes education classes and she has never made blanket statements as what everyone should or should not eat. When people ask her questions, she makes a point of telling them that diet plans are very individualized based on the persons health, dietary needs, medications, weight etc…

When I get to a point where my diet is not working for me, she modifies it for me. The nutritionist my doctor sent me to, did not read his notes nor did she listen to what I said. Because my neighbor is a registered and a certified nutritionist, She would not do my diet plan until she spoke with my doctor.

I hope your nutritionist comes up with a plan for you with your help. Good luck

IronOre 2014-02-19 17:10:21 -0600 Report

Why Yogurt ?
It is not dairy.
The protein in the dairy really helps diabetics.

haoleboy 2014-02-19 17:58:20 -0600 Report

really? not dairy? how so?
being made from milk, doesn't that make it dairy?

IronOre 2014-02-20 13:43:06 -0600 Report

I guess you are right haoleboy . . . I looked it up on-line. I do not know why others have pointed out to me that it is not dairy . . . maybe because it is made the the bacteria . . . heck, I don't know !

jayabee52 2014-02-20 04:45:01 -0600 Report

all the yougurt I made was made from milk. It is milk fermented by stirring in specific bacteria cultures and heated till it thickened sufficiently.

jayabee52 2014-02-19 11:59:47 -0600 Report

I grew up on a dairy farm when I was a boy so I was pretty much for drinking milk for the longest time And I loved drinking the milk straight from the bulk tank..

I have since become somewhat lactose intolerant and so don't drink fluid milk anymore, and limit my dairy consumption to an occasional ice cream cone.

From my experience and learning milk is really not a useful dietary item. Generally speaking It produces extra phlegm in our bronchial / GI tract, which can make breathing difficult.

Because I am on dialysis, most dairy products are out of the meal plan for me.

I think we would all be better off if we would minimize our consumption of dairy

God's best to all y'all

James Baker

venis27 2014-02-19 11:16:42 -0600 Report

indeed,thats one of the very few good things coming out of this story..thank you very much for your reply!

ashley50 2014-02-19 09:28:27 -0600 Report

Last time i went into the doctor, my doctor told me to cut down on dairy stuff! Because it is considered an "animal" food which raises your cholestrol

Nick1962 2014-02-19 08:54:01 -0600 Report

It wasn’t until I was dx’d and went to a diet class that I really understood dairy.
It’s now believed that dairy is something we humans (like all mammals) were never designed to process beyond the nursing age. So yes, to quote Dr. Mark Hyman “Dairy is nature's perfect food — but only if you're a calf”. About 75% of us are lactose intolerant to some degree, but have been conditioned to accept it. As we get older, our ability to digest dairy decreases significantly also. I know I have to watch my intake closely, especially cheese.

It’s been believed that the calcium in dairy is beneficial to prevent bone loss and fracture risk, but that’s never really been substantiated. In fact in countries like Asia and Africa with the lowest dairy consumption rate also have the lowest osteoporosis rates. It’s been found vitamin D is much more important, and if necessary, a calcium supplement, but not dairy as the delivery mechanism.

As for using it to control lows, dairy increases a hormone called IGF-1 (insulin-like growth factor-1), which is similar to insulin as the name implies. While this is necessary for growth in children, it messes with our adult metabolism anabolically, so any results you may see aren’t “real”.

My non-scientific experience – once I all but cut dairy out of my diet, my numbers improved and I felt generally much better, so no, I wouldn’t call it placebo effect.

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