Holy Pizza!!!!

By Sherelle112 Latest Reply 2014-09-03 13:31:42 -0500
Started 2014-02-18 20:08:45 -0600

Hey DC Friends!

For breakfast I had a small cup of grapefruit w/ no sugar added (15 carbs) and I took my 1000mg of Metformin w/ that. Since I ate very little for breakfast I thought it'd be nice to have a slice of pizza for lunch. Yes, one slice can't hurt!!

2 hrs after eating my mediocre pizza my BG was 152!! That may not be high for some, but it was hiiiiiigh for me! I got sooooo frustrated bc it was ONE piece & does that mean I can never have pizza?! Usually if/when I cheat I do it at dinner bc that's when I take my 2nd dosage of Metformin & my levels don't get so high!

Here's the part that scares me…
When I got off wk at 4pm I went to the grocery store and while standing in line at the deli I got the worst headache & was shaky. After testing my BG I found out that it was 60. I've been 60 before & lower, but I've NEVER felt quite that bad. It's 9pm & my head still hurts.

Why is if that when I go higher than normal (after I sneak bread, rice, or fries) that my BG crashes!? I should know the answer, but I don't know. And will it greatly affect my A1c to be high for 3 hrs every once in a while?!

Sometimes I am thankful for my diagnosis bc in a sense… IT SAVED MY LIFE. Today. Today I'm not so grateful. I barely ate anything & had high numbers & feel like crap.

45 replies

stonehedge 2014-03-01 15:59:32 -0600 Report

sherelle===realy==you have answered your own question===quite cheating its that simple==not trying to be rude but the truth is the truth

autismmom04 2014-02-26 02:28:56 -0600 Report

I make my own pizza using low carb tortilla and put my toppings on and bake for 20 min. Easy and quick low carb meal! Just watch how much sauce u put.

MrsCDogg 2014-02-24 15:16:30 -0600 Report

Try having some protein with breakfast. Even if it's just a slice of cheese or a boiled egg. It will help a lot.

Shawn Grant
Shawn Grant 2014-02-23 11:21:10 -0600 Report

I can have kinda pizza. Bread, all of it even whole grain spikes my blood sugar. I use eggplant as the crust. Bake it in the oven until it is little crisp. I make my own tomato sauce. I can have some tomatoes. One tip most people put sugar in the sauce to counter the acidity in the tomatoes. Use chicken broth or chicken bullion instead. Use the low sodium kind if you like. Pepperoni and cheese does nothing to my blood sugar. You can use large portobello mushrooms instead of eggplant if you like. My blood sugar before meals is around 85. This will up it to 100 2 hours later. Not bad.

lindajpc 2014-02-22 11:42:56 -0600 Report

Sherelle112 you are my new super hero. YOU have done a great job on your new healthy lifestyle and I not only admire that but hope to use your example as encouragement in my quest for health. I am a pizza addict, to the point I have had my local pizza place call and check on me when I've I gone more than three weeks without pizza. I'm a newbie (since Nov.) and have found store bought pizza shoots me over the moon. So I've been making my own when I have the "goin die if I don't eat it" carving. I schedule it as a meal so I can control as much as possible. It helps. You are entitled to pizza and anything you want. Just gotta learn how, right??? Or so I've been told. Keep up the good work.

Sherelle112 2014-02-22 20:59:08 -0600 Report

Thank u!!! Went for my 3 month check up today and am soo excited to find out what my a1c!! Trust me… If I can do this YOU CAN DO THIS!!!!! One day at a time…

Glucerna 2014-02-22 12:43:26 -0600 Report

I really like the way you've figured out how you can continue to enjoy pizza and manage your blood sugar. It sounds like you're doing great! ~Lynn @Glucerna

MoeGig 2014-02-22 08:29:31 -0600 Report

I can't eat pizza without a good shot of humalog after. They add a lot of sugar in the tomato sauce. I do better with the thin crust Neapolitan pizzas that have no sauce. (I like them best anyway).

CJ55 2014-02-20 02:37:48 -0600 Report

Hi Sherelle112.. First off.. Congrats on your accomplishments of weight loss and lowering your A1C in a fairly quick amount of time. I have been at this for 7-8 years now and I am still learning what to eat and not eat. It seems this past year has been best for learning for me. Being here on DC has helped me so much. I am still struggling with the weight, I go down, I go up. However, when I was first diagnosed my A1C was 7.8. I have kept it under 5.4 for 5 years. I still have good days and bad days, cheat days and not cheat days. My problem is night time liver dumps and waking up to high BG at 180-200. I take my BG before I go to bed and if it is 100 - 110 I have to eat because within 30 mins or so I will be in the 30's. My blood drops very quickly once I am down to 110 or below. I know that is average for normal diabetics but not for me. At 100 I am already shaky, getting dizzy, etc.. At 35-50 I am nearly passing out and I have many times. I test a lot. When I wake up, Before meals, 2 hrs after meals, before bed and especially the middle of the night. I eat pizza, i had 2 slices last night. I Tested before I ate, I was at 118, 2 hrs after I was at 154. My pizza was thin slice and very very little sauce with cheese and pepperoni. That is the way I have always eaton my pizza even before I had diabetes. Sometimes I have pizza with a wheat or white or gluten free (reg crust) with No sauce, with cheese, lettuce mixed with a small amount of fat free mayo, and bacon (hold tomato). It is a BLT Pizza and it is sooo yummy. If I do feel like something different than the norm I do try to make it healthy. I do not eat salt and haven't for 40 years. I did give up regular Pepsi almost 1 year ago. Long after I was diagnosed with diabetes. I used to drink several bottles a day of the real stuff. Now that is a lot of sugar. Never thought I could give that up, but I did. My one true accomplishment I am very proud of. My last one was 5 weeks ago.. All sweets made with real sugar. It is a tough battle, but I take it day by day in baby steps. I praise everyone who can accomplish just one thing and stick to it. Not everyone is perfect. Just think, if everyone was perfect, it would be a boring place to live. Nobody would have anything to do. Hahaha… Anyway… I certainly understand where you are coming from. I praise you for what you have overcome and what you go through each and every day. We are all in this with the same illness. Each person chooses to treat themselves the way they seem fit to and their bodies react in different ways then everyone else's. What is good for me may not be good for you and vise versa. All we can do is just try and help each other get through this each day and be there for each other any way we can be. Feel free to post me in my "in box" or email address anytime Sherelle. I am not here on DC very often. However, I do check my email several times a day, and my messages from my in box show up under my email address.

Have a wonderful day tomorrow (today) it is 3:30am Thursday
Hugz CJ

mysteria7130 2014-02-19 17:59:18 -0600 Report

i cheat a lot.i am so confused. what are slow carbs and fast carbs. idonot know what to eat and what not to eat.there is somuch confusing info out there

Nick1962 2014-02-20 08:06:06 -0600 Report

To put it simply, it’s the difference between how fast your body processes the carbs for fuel.
All carbs are chains of simple sugars. For your body to make use of the energy and nutrition in carbs, the carb molecule gets broken down into individual sugars to be absorbed in your intestines.
Slow carbs, or Low Glycemic Index carbs - vegetables, whole grains, seeds, nuts, beans, take a long time to break down and tend to spike you less or slower. Fast or High Glycemic Index ones like breads, cereals, sugars, fruits and a few starchy vegetables break down quickly and cause high spikes fast.

The way I was taught to look at it is how long a food takes to dissolve in a glass of water. A piece of white bread falls apart almost immediately, whole grain a lot longer. I try to avoid carbs all together, but when I can’t, slow ones are much better on my system and numbers.

Glucerna 2014-02-19 21:10:27 -0600 Report

There are several ways you can learn more about healthy eating to help manage diabetes. You'll get great information and tips by reading through the posts here. The American Diabetes Association has lots of information at www.diabetes.org. Ask your physician for a referral to a registered dietitian for more individualized information. Also, by keeping track of what you eat and testing your blood sugar, you'll start to learn how different foods affect you. I'm glad you're asking questions! ~Lynn @Glucerna

Sherelle112 2014-02-19 16:57:43 -0600 Report

Thank u Mark!!! I watched 2 close relatives die from diabetes complications & from the moment of diagnosis I decided that if I did die due to diabetes it wouldn't be from lack of effort on my part! Since I'm not on insulin it's a little different for me bc I can't bolus for the carbs I eat. Certain things (even when w/in my carb range make me go higher). Sure… that piece of pizza wasn't my finest meal, but given how much I've changed my diet, way of thinking about food, & life in general I will not let anyone make me feel bad or guilty.
I lost the weight by changing how I eat! I didn't lose it "too fast" as others have assumed! I did it very carefully and almost effortlessly! I chose what I put it my mouth & body just did its own thing. Age is also on my side. Thanks for your support!! I will continue to best diabetes even if I have a couple slices of pizza along the way!! ;)

MarkS 2014-02-19 12:39:56 -0600 Report

Hi Sherelle, I've taken the time to rad your posts and want to congratulate you on your weight loss and the manner in which you have approached diabetes. As I continued through this blog, I noticed that you are doing it correctly, learning how your body reacts and dealing with it in an appropriate manner. Just be careful; some of the comments here, while I would hope are well-meaning, may not always be the way you should handle situations. Diabetes is a no longer a death knell the way some have reacted but just a physiologic disorder that can be controlled. It just takes some time really getting to understand your physiology and how you react to different foods and situations. Don't let your diabetes control you and be careful of preachy people who do not know all the details of your life.

MarkS 2014-02-19 12:24:00 -0600 Report

You do realize that a normal blood sugar ranges from 70 to 140, so a 152 is hardly a blip when you consider overall glycemic control. Something that I have found with regard to eating pizza is that it has a quick glycemic spike but then my blood sugar will rise about 8 hours later due to the high fat content which is a slow "burn" (absorption). Sounds like you didn't have anything to keep you going late in the afternoon, like protein on the pizza. Or did you miss an afternoon snack? Since I am a Type 1 diabetic I can't comment on the metformin and when it reaches its Cmax (maximum concentration) but it sounds like the drug was working but there wasn't any glucose in your system to metabolize. Just a guess though …

Nick1962 2014-02-19 07:50:24 -0600 Report

Yes, pizza will do that. As James mentioned, the carbs in the crust plus the concentrated sugars of tomato sauce are the culprits. I refuse to give it up though.
Pairing that slice with a side salad seems to lessen the effects I’ve found. It seems the cells tend to concentrate on the fiber and let all the bad stuff pass. Also, a “white” pizza (no sauce) seems to work better as well. The crash is probably due to the carb rush, so again, making sure you have some longer lasting nutrition with it (like a side salad) makes it an easier ride. Just my 2 cents.

NaoV1 2014-02-18 23:50:36 -0600 Report

Hi everybody! You know I was diagnosed Type 2 in 2005. Until 2012, my A1C was an average of 6.3. My doc said once I hit 5.5, I was OFF all my meds. I was only taking 1 500 mg. metformin, 5 mg Glipozide, 25 mg or catopril (or however it's spelled) for my "irregular" BP, not high BP, just "elevated." Never any insulin. Today, I need surgery in my shoulder and have bulging discs in my back, so my A1C is YUCK for me due to lack of movement. Last checked 9.6. I found that what works for me, as everyone's body is different, was writing down what I ate and what my sugar was an hour after I took my last bite. Once I saw that mexican rice (sigh - and I'm Mexican American LOL) and popcorn and I do not get along, I cut back eating those like crazy. Do you know when I drink (and I drink) a Dr. Pepper, one to 2 hours after, my sugar is just about normal? LOL Crazy huh? I am in the medical profession and read a lot. Everyone's body is different. I believe in the "natural" way vs., relying on pills. I add cinnamon to everything I can stand, ginger, cumin and tumeric in many meals along with garlic of course. Eat greens twice a day with meals, take a fish oil, calcium and Vitamin D pill OTC, and a regular daily vitamin and move as much as possible, stairs, walks, cleaning, moving. I am in agony with my shoulder as my rotator cuff is torn they think, but I refuse pain pills because they scare me. All medicines scare me. SURGERY scares me more, but I will not have it until my sugar is back to normal(ish). People say stress brings up sugar. I think it is the food we eat when we stress that brings up the sugar. LOL ;) Sherelle 12, keep it up girl. These are just ideas that I know have helped many others and I just throw it out there! :)

Nana_anna 2014-02-18 22:11:14 -0600 Report

I agree for the most part with Just Joyce. As I am a diabetic, and have been told and warned by my Dr. what to eat and what not to eat. One slice of pizza has 24 grams of carbs, depending on the size. Not all pizza is good for you. I worry about the effects it does to my body. I have to watch salt, and
cholesterol. Not saying one piece every now and then is bad. But…you are a diabetic. Taking changes like that can hurt you in many ways. Its always best to treat your diabetes for the good, not bad. I am glad you lost that weight. I am down to 45 lbs since last May 2012. It takes me a while. But its coming off. If you loose to much to fast, you can gain it back quickly. As that has happened to me, several times! I was just wondering, how you are loosing weight?? Good luck and have a great week :)

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2014-02-19 08:58:05 -0600 Report

Nana I agree with you. One slice of pizza is not good especially if you don't eat something else with it. The carbs in the crust and tomato sauce can create a problem.

You cannot play with diabetes it will win in the end. The problem with processed foods is that you don't know what the actual servings are because you did not prepare it. You also can't read the labels on the packaging so you have no idea how many carbs you are consuming.

You are absolutely correct loosing weight fast will cause you to gain it back and some people gain more than they lost. You have to pace yourself and give your body time to play catch up as you lose the weight.

MarkS 2014-02-19 12:30:47 -0600 Report

Hey Just Joyce, I respectfully disagree with you regarding diabetes winning. I eat whatever I want and my last A1c was high, and that was a 6.2; it's all about how you approach your disorder. While pizza is one of the toughest foods to determine how much to eat and how to dose the appropriate amount of insulin (I am Type 1), why stop eating it if you enjoy it? Just learn how to deal with it. I am on a pump and I have learned with pizza that if I bolus and then do an extended squarer wave I am golden. It's all about knowing how your body reacts to foods, to daily life, exercise, etc. and using that information to determine how to gain control.

Sherelle112 2014-02-19 04:12:39 -0600 Report

Also… I was told I can have 45 carbs per meal & was within range. My body just didn't like it.

Nana_anna 2014-02-19 11:30:08 -0600 Report

I have heard that to. But if you want to loose weight, you should cut that in half, and stay off of pizza, its not good for you. Just sayin'

Sherelle112 2014-02-19 16:44:15 -0600 Report

You basically told me I lost my weight too fast, but eat less carbs?!? Why change what's been working for me?? My A1c is like that of a nondiabetic.

Sherelle112 2014-02-19 04:11:22 -0600 Report

I completely changed the way that I eat and I exercise (sometimes).

Nana_anna 2014-02-19 11:32:34 -0600 Report

Its a struggle for me to, believe me. I make small goals pertaining my blood sugar numbers and salt intake. Your high numbers, all the time, will stay up constantly, as the do in me, with or without watching my diet. I am not condemning you, I just know because I have been here. I have learned, that risk taking is going to end you up with heart and stroke issues.

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2014-02-18 20:39:01 -0600 Report

Diabetes needs to be fed at regular intervals. I found this out the hard way after my visit to the ER yesterday.

You ate sugar for breakfast and depending on how long that sugar took to get through your system, you gave your body more starch by eating the pizza. Basically you gave yourself a sugar high and once the sugar was gone you crashed.

Why do you continue to eat citrus fruit in that manner with nothing for the sugar to feed on. Why don't you eat fiber and protein with it? You said the diagnosis saved your life but the way you ate is going to slowly cause your death.

You can buy the ruby read grapefruit in a cup with no sugar added. I eat those with bacon and eggs or sausage and eggs NEVER alone and have no problems.

I really hate to sound preachy but diabetes is not a game you play, it is your life. If you choose to continue to eat these kinds of meals, you will continue to have these problems. You were not the only person on the road if you were driving and you were not the only person in the supermarket. You could have passed out behind the wheel while driving and could have killed or injured yourself of killed or injured another driver innocently driving home. You could have passed out in the supermarket and injured yourself or someone else all because you chose not to eat properly. You and only you can make the decision to be more conscientious about what you are eating. With diabetes comes responsibility and only each one of us is responsible for what we do and how it will effect us.

It isn't your A1C that is high for 3 hours it is your blood sugar and yes it will have an affect on you. When your blood sugar fluctuates like that you are making your organs work harder. Why didn't you test before eating the pizza to see where your blood sugar was? I do that if I want to "cheat" and eat something special. If my blood sugar is at 120, I am definitely not going to eat my cheat food.

If you have not done so, maybe you should attend a diabetes education class and see a nutritionist who can help you choose the right foods to eat and help with meal planning. Glad you are okay and good luck to you.

Sherelle112 2014-02-18 20:49:14 -0600 Report

Thanks for the death sentence, Joyce!!! :/ Actually I am very conscience of what I eat. I did test before lunch and was at 76.
I'm soooo glad that you're the best diabetic in life, but I'm a work in progress & learn new things about my body often.
I attended diabetes classes. Lost 70 lbs since April 2013 & my a1c went from 13.2 to 5.3 during the first 3 months after diagnosis. Despite what you think, I AM DOING SOMETHING RIGHT!! I am proud of myself & simply wanted to know what the crash was about.

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2014-02-18 21:06:33 -0600 Report

I am not the best diabetic in life, if I were, I would market it and you would be reading my book. Don't get mad because you didn't like what I said but remember each one of us is responsible for ourselves.

I landed in the ER yesterday not because of eating the wrong foods but because I didn't eat enough food so if being upset with me makes you feel better, so be it. I really never care about who gets mad with me because it is their madness not mine.

Sherelle112 2014-02-18 21:17:57 -0600 Report

You're just always so negative!! It's not what you say, but how you say it!! I'm not mad. I just want you to know that YOU have a lot of info to pass to those of us who haven't had diabetes for a long time, but your delivery is ridiculous!!! You're rude and I'm over it. Feel free to overlook ALL of my future posts!!

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2014-02-19 10:04:33 -0600 Report

Sherelle, I could have died Monday had I not been working on a project with the police department. Had the Sargent not stopped by to bring me information I could very well be in ICU or a casket.

Some of us have had this discussion with you when you had the problem with all the orange juice you drank.

You say I am negative and rude. I did not tell you what you wanted to hear you got angry.

I read your last post where you said "THANK YOU for the advice, but if I were super new to diabetes you guys would've been so discouraging!!!" You ask for advice which is comprised of peoples opinion and because it wasn't what you wanted to hear you become very unappreciative.

When you ask for opinions/advice, you do not get angry, upset or mad because it wasn't what you wanted or expected to hear. Now when you have another problem people are less likely to help you.

You created your problem did you expect all of us to hold your hand and tell you that things would be better?

I hope and pray that since you choose to follow your cravings that the next time you don't get sick while driving and harm innocent people.

Sherelle112 2014-02-19 17:12:39 -0600 Report

Hello Joyce. I didn't have a problem w/ orange juice. I've had literally 2 sips since diagnosis!! Juice/drinks aren't worth my sugar or carbs… Wrong person!!
I am an adult & respect others, when they respect me!
I do not need you or anyone like you to hold my hand, toes, or fingers!! You can do nothing for me or take nothing from me! You could give the best advice ever, but I could not & would not listen to you because according to you… I'm killing myself & possibly losing weight too fast! Any other time you say "Why ask us? Ask your Dr." So, in the future when i post - I am not asking YOU anything.
Isn't not eating enough just as dangerous? You could harm yourself or someone else?
You pray!? So you know no sin is greater than another? What makes your plight any different than mine? If this site is to encourage & motivate one another as diabetics… What are you doing!?
I'm not mad bc you're not worth that much energy, but if you life sucks or you're having a bad day… keep it to yourself!!! I'm DAMN proud of my progress & the person I've become! I will continue to give into my cravings every once in a while & I also pray I don't harm anyone else or myself, but ill pray that somehow you find a heart. Pls don't respond bc this is the LAST time I will address you!

jayabee52 2014-02-18 20:38:07 -0600 Report

Howdy Sherelle
Pizza is really something which packs a Blood Glucose (BG) whallop. It is because the crust is usually composed of white flour, which is a "simple" quick to turn into glucose substance. Pizza is the "gift that keeps on giving" BG wise in that the sauce is made of tomtoes and usually admixed with corn syrup (HFC) or sugar in commercially prepared Pizza. (my ex didn't add those to her homemade pizza and that is why the sauce tasted kinda "flat")

Then add to that the cheese and you will have a long lasting digestion of the proteins there. In fact many folks (I've been told on here) do not test 2 hrs following pizza, but 3 hrs following because of the high numbers. But 152 is not THAT terribly high post prandial reading. That may be why you dropped to 60 because you were on the BG roller coaster from high, with nothing else in between till you dropped.

Really the question is not why your BG crashes, but why, knowing that it will crash do you still continue to eat those things which cause you to go high and then crash?

God's best to you and yours

James Baker

Sherelle112 2014-02-18 20:56:42 -0600 Report

It may sound crazy to you guys, but if I dont give in every now and again to my cravings then I have a harder time staying on course. I don't drink or smoke anymore. I've made this a lifestyle change, not a diet & the ONE thing that I won't let ANYONE do is make me feel bad about one slice of pizza after eating salads all weekend.

THANK YOU for the advice, but if I were super new to diabetes you guys would've been so discouraging!!!

jigsaw 2014-02-19 17:24:28 -0600 Report

Wow. sounds like you got it down pat! The only reason I think you shouldn't eat that one slice of pizza, there would be that much less for me! LoL
Should we ever meet for pizza, I promise I will let you have only ONE slice!!!

Seriously speaking, it seems that you are looking for supportive statements in a specific way. It's great that you lost weight, and quit smoking. I congratulate you on that aspect. We all appreciate support. However, you asked a very specific questions in your post. You asked why your blood sugar went high, and then crashed under specific circumstances. Many members took the time to answer in their attempt to be helpful. I really did not perceive any answers to be negative or discouraging. I did see some very helpful answers however.
Had you talked about your excellent accomplishments, the same people whos answers you critisized, would have been very encouraging.

jayabee52 2014-02-19 10:59:51 -0600 Report

I wasn't intending to discourage you in your journey with diabetes, only attempting to show why you experienced what you did. It is not crazy to treat oneself once in a while. I treat myself occasionally with eating an ice cream cone (my indulgence) for the same reason ou eat pizza.

Jigsaw pointed out above that perhaps it would have been better had that pizza been paired with a salad as the fiber in the salad could have affected the carbohydrate load of the pizza, mitigting the load somewhat. Not trying to make you feel bad. Not my intent!

God's best to you


Anonymous 2014-02-18 20:31:54 -0600 Report

Idk if you haven't gone to a diabetic class I seriously would. You can't skimp with your diet. Being diabetic you have to balance the carbohydrates. It's no wonder that you're blood sugar dropped.I use to be on metformin. Now on insulin for many reasons. Don't be scared to call your doctor and ask questions.

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