Once I start eating...I can't stop

Jesse's derby
By Jesse's derby Latest Reply 2013-07-09 20:09:05 -0500
Started 2013-06-25 03:47:23 -0500

I know I am not alone in this. 'Cause you are all out there and someone must have the same problem from time to time. I guess I am trying to understand it…it has been hot, hot, hot. I am moving about more doing gardening work. I am not sleeping well. I try during the day to regulate eating, check BS …do what I am supposed to do with insulin…lots of water, good snacks (nuts, fruit). But then tonite I had my evening meal. I went back for more zucchini (sp?) and tomatoes. (I had the protein in the form of a turkey burger and the carbs were bulghar). Is this heat related? How do others deal with this? Should I feel guilty? Or is it my body telling me I need more?


35 replies

BroadwayGirl
BroadwayGirl 2013-07-09 20:09:05 -0500 Report

Well it could be due to being more active. The more moving around you do the more calories you burn, making you hungrier.
Also, I think it MIGHT be a diabetic thing. I know 4 diabetics(myself, father, grandmother, an a girl I use to be friends with) and I've noticed all four of us always seem to be hungry most of the time.

denipink
denipink 2013-06-28 08:09:41 -0500 Report

Hi Jessie, my name is Denise. I am 56 and i live in Ontario, Canada. I have been type 2 for about 2 years now.

Eating too much and all hours of the day and night is part of my unique nature. I can wake up from a deep sleep in the still of the night and eat.

I ate a traditional North American diet for the most part until i had what i call a "health crisis" and totally revamped my entire diet.

I believe our typical supermarket store bought foods are treated with something to make us addicted to them. I have read very good research on this and while i have just no idea how these food makers can do it — all kinds of nasty hocus pocus is being included in the every day diet to hook and bate the innocent consumer.

I no longer look at whatever i put in my mouth as something that gives me pleasure. I don't decide on what i will eat based on what i feel like eating. My goal when eating or drinking is that everything be healing.

I have more than diabetes to deal with. I was very sick and needed to repair a very sick body. I did months of research and settled on a Vegan, gluten free diet. Today, for the past month or so i have been eating a mostly vegan diet and i am slowly removing gluten from my diet.

I eat whole foods only — nothing processed. If a food is wrapped in plastic and has multiple ingredients, i won't touch it. I eat from 4 food groups: veggies, fruits, beans, whole grains and a little bit of nuts and seeds. I am giving my poor body a break so no more harder to digest meats, fish (i believe supermarket bought fish is contaminated) dairy, salt and more. Looks hard to do, and i thought it was, but, i have adapted to this new way of eating and i feel sooo much better :) I have new energy and i am stronger. My body has accepted this new diet and when i crave foods now, they are for the whole foods.

Bottom line is no more still of the night eating trips to the fridge. I eat my breakfast, take my insulin, eat a snack, eat my lunch and take my insulin, eat a mid afternoon snack, eat my dinner and take my insulin and before bed a have a light snack.

I drink a full pitcher of squeezed lemons (4) a day to cleanse. I also drink a tea of sliced up raw ginger, two times a day. I drink a tea of cut up raw garlic. All of this aids my digestion and heals my colon. I had a miserable irritable bowel for eon years and i had to take meds for that. If i had one bowel movement a week i was doing something. We need to have movements every day to be healthy. Since my new diet i have a daily bowel movement and sometimes 2 a day. This is a huge improvement for me in such a short period of time. I know of diabetics that changed their diets and then was able to get off of all of their meds. If nothing else i will achieve having my diabetes well managed and under good control, taking meds or not. I am also learning to be more active. I take little walks regularly. I am a large lady with arthritis, so, being active is not one of my favorite things.

Diabetes is a serious disease that will only worsen adding horrific complications if not properly dealt with. I have made controlling my diabetes my #1 priority and i am seeing good results. I feel sooo much better.

This is a wonderful group with genuinely caring people. I have received really helpful support here and i look forward to coming here as much as possible.

You will be well on your way, i know, because when i read your post i see that you are concerned about what really matters. As diabetics, we are affected by every aspect of life including our relationships, our emotions, our finances, which, can cause us stress, but i think our diet is key to being a healthy diabetic.

I do a lot of research and if you like i can do some for you. Perhaps you would like to learn more about nutrition, for example. Just let me know if you want me to source something for you and i would be glad to :)

I am going to leave you a link to an article that really changed my mind about my health. Perhaps it might benefit you, too.

http://www.healthnowmedical.com/blog/2011/07/...

Denise

locarb
locarb 2013-07-03 01:03:23 -0500 Report

I've done largely the same thing with great results. Three years without diabetic medication and "controlled" with "normal" blood glucose. I agree it sounds a lot harder to do than it is. After a brief adjustment, you physically feel the difference and that "tastes" a lot better than the junk in stores.

Jesse's derby
Jesse's derby 2013-06-28 12:41:12 -0500 Report

WOW! How cool is this!?! I am unsure about the garlic tea (ooh, ick) but the rest of your information is great…and great fully appreciated! Thank you so much! This site has been such a blessing

Carla48
Carla48 2013-06-27 17:26:31 -0500 Report

It might be, Jesse, the extra activity with the gardening, and the not sleeping well is a problem for me, I know. Congratulations on dealing with the problem responsibly by going back for seconds on the veggies. I find that after dinner the 'sweet cravings' start, and it's a real problem; also, I eat before 8pm (dinner), and then I get hungry again if I am up late because I can't sleep and that creates a problem for me.

Jesse's derby
Jesse's derby 2013-06-27 18:31:49 -0500 Report

Carla..I knew I was not alone in this! All the recipes I have found either use some weird chemical sugar…can't get behind that…however, thanks to this group, I have begun to appreciate that much of my constant eating…no matter how good the foods are!, comes from a much deeper emotional need. I am very happy that you contacted me about this! I so understand you!!!! There are multi fold things going on here. I will in no way diminish your concerns. We are supposed to act like normal human beings! (In all my years on the planet, I have yet to find one!) Nick1962 (?) helped me a lot. I don't know if you have seen my recent post…I am tired of "Splenda" recipes! I WANT!!! sugar and junk!!! I DO! Hopelessly honest that I am! To reply to you specifically. I don't have "junk food" in the house anymore. If I could get to it, I would! And I wouldn't stop til it was all gone! And that is not about food…something else going on there and I say this as a concerned member of the community…it really is a whole re-evaluation of your life . And I am re-evaluating my life, as well. Please continue to correspond. I don't know how this "friend" thing works here…I'm new, too…but if you are more computer literate than I, give it a chance!

Jesse's derby
Jesse's derby 2013-06-27 18:31:29 -0500 Report

Carla..I knew I was not alone in this! All the recipes I have found either use some weird chemical sugar…can't get behind that…however, thanks to this group, I have begun to appreciate that much of my constant eating…no matter how good the foods are!, comes from a much deeper emotional need. I am very happy that you contacted me about this! I so understand you!!!! There are multi fold things going on here. I will in no way diminish your concerns. We are supposed to act like normal human beings! (In all my years on the planet, I have yet to find one!) Nick1962 (?) helped me a lot. I don't know if you have seen my recent post…I am tired of "Splenda" recipes! I WANT!!! sugar and junk!!! I DO! Hopelessly honest that I am! To reply to you specifically. I don't have "junk food" in the house anymore. If I could get to it, I would! And I wouldn't stop til it was all gone! And that is not about food…something else going on there and I say this as a concerned member of the community…it really is a whole re-evaluation of your life . And I am re-evaluating my life, as well. Please continue to correspond. I don't know how this "friend" thing works here…I'm new, too…but if you are more computer literate than I, give it a chance!

Jesse's derby
Jesse's derby 2013-06-27 18:31:22 -0500 Report

Carla..I knew I was not alone in this! All the recipes I have found either use some weird chemical sugar…can't get behind that…however, thanks to this group, I have begun to appreciate that much of my constant eating…no matter how good the foods are!, comes from a much deeper emotional need. I am very happy that you contacted me about this! I so understand you!!!! There are multi fold things going on here. I will in no way diminish your concerns. We are supposed to act like normal human beings! (In all my years on the planet, I have yet to find one!) Nick1962 (?) helped me a lot. I don't know if you have seen my recent post…I am tired of "Splenda" recipes! I WANT!!! sugar and junk!!! I DO! Hopelessly honest that I am! To reply to you specifically. I don't have "junk food" in the house anymore. If I could get to it, I would! And I wouldn't stop til it was all gone! And that is not about food…something else going on there and I say this as a concerned member of the community…it really is a whole re-evaluation of your life . And I am re-evaluating my life, as well. Please continue to correspond. I don't know how this "friend" thing works here…I'm new, too…but if you are more computer literate than I, give it a chance!

Carla48
Carla48 2013-06-28 05:16:57 -0500 Report

Jesse's derby, thank you so much for the response. You are right, the eating thing comes from emotional need, especially for me. I know in my heart and soul that I am my alcoholic father's alcoholic child, and that my food issues, especially with the sweets, come straight from my mother. I never picked up alcohol use…because I DON'T LIKE THE TASTE!!! I'd be dead if I'd ever enjoyed my first drink, LOL!!

My personal opinion, after a year of trial and error is…artificial sweetners contribute to the sugar craving, and worse, I believe the studies that say they can make you keep weight on, because artificial sweetners 'trick' your brain into believing the body has consumed sugar. I am also convinced that all fast food is purely addictive, and I've seen it affect my mood. I have been all over the site this early morning, answering the eternal Diabetic Question: so WHAT can I eat already???? There is such excellent support here, and I cannot believe I signed up 3 years ago and never used the site…I could have lost 100 pounds by now!

Dr Gary
Dr GaryCA 2013-06-26 15:32:54 -0500 Report

Hi Jesse's Derby,

Nice to meet you, my friend! This is a great discussion topic, an experience that many of us have, including me.

I am not a physician but I am a therapist and I often talk to clients about the emotional side of eating. So as Nick1962 suggested, as you are looking at this issue, you might also consider the emotional side.

Here is a link to an article I wrote awhile back:

http://www.diabeticconnect.com/diabetes-discussions/general/9083-feel-like-a-snack-staying-ahead-of-emotional-eating-triggers

You might find it helpful.

Glad you are here. I hope you will keeps us all posted on how you are doing!

Gary

Carla48
Carla48 2013-06-28 05:23:50 -0500 Report

Thanks SO much Dr. Gary. I so wish you could be my therapist, because I could really use your wise counsel on how to conquer the food addiction. As an adult I have been very aware of the addictive gene I have inherited from both my parents, and when I can clear my head and concentrate, I have some success in defeating the beast, so to speak. Then, comes a rainy day, and with it depression, and every bone in my body starts to hurt like a toothache, and comfort foods come a callin'. I suppose 'slips' will happen now and then in life, but I slip WAY too often, and it keeps me from losing weight and reducing my meds. At 51, this is no longer an acceptable way to live and I will not die the way my mother did!

Dr Gary
Dr GaryCA 2013-06-30 14:52:31 -0500 Report

Hi Carla, I am glad I was helpful, and thanks for the kind words. Believe me, I know how hard this is. Like any addiction, it is one day at a time, each day a challenge, each day an opportunity. Build in alternatives to overeating, get lots of support, set limits with yourself. And don't fall into self-criticism, don't beat up on yourself. It's not easy to fight a food addiction. I don't know anyone who doesn't struggle with this at some level. So glad you are here. Keep us posted! Gary

Carla48
Carla48 2013-07-01 11:25:33 -0500 Report

Thanks so much Dr. Gary! 5 days in of eating responsibly, and the BS is much more stable. Now, I'm trying to adjust to not having those emotional highs/lows that come with carbs and sugars…I can see so clearly now what the payoff to the addicition is, and I can also see where that payoff is not worth it anymore. Particularly bad pain and swelling in the left foot. I know I stress-fractured a toe, and that arthritis is a fact in my family, but I am also accutely aware that some of this pain may be neuropathy. Determined to muscle through and reverse as much damage as I can though!

Dr Gary
Dr GaryCA 2013-07-02 22:06:20 -0500 Report

HI Carla! That's great news! I know what you mean by the payoff. I am realy hypoglycemic, so I know that extreme craving, and what happens when I give into it. The highs are followed by extreme lows. Not worth it. Glad you are taking better care of yourself! Keep an ey on that foot pain, make sure your doctor knows about it. Stay in touch, my friend! Gary

Carla48
Carla48 2013-07-03 03:59:26 -0500 Report

Thanks Dr. Gary! Yesterday was tough, had a stressful work afternoon, and I could feel it after dinner. I was careful though regarding dinner; my only concern at the moment is I just woke up an hour ago…hadn't taken the dinner meds last night. I took them on waking up, so I'll see what happens when 'breakfast time' is official. Through my job, I have a pretty good wellness plan, in place of actual health insurance, and I had a phone meeting with my wellness coach yesterday, who put me on some excellent resources regarding diabetic neuropathy, that I for sure will be checking out, as well as discussing with my doctor. I wonder if any one out there has tried reflexology in terms of the neuropathy?

Jesse's derby
Jesse's derby 2013-06-26 16:47:26 -0500 Report

Thanks, Gary. And Nick as well. Something I have been disregarding has surfaced in the last 2 days. It was not until I had the support of one dear friend and, indeed, neighbors, has it dawned on me that I have been suppressing and avoiding this problem for a long time. Unbeknownst to me, my neighbors had phoned the police department re this situation. I feel validated. Perhaps now I will get some much needed sleep! I appreciate your concern. Thank you.

Dr Gary
Dr GaryCA 2013-06-30 14:54:10 -0500 Report

Hi Jesse's derby. Glad to hear you had a breakthrough, and that you are going to get some rest. Keep us posted! Gary

liquorish
liquorish 2013-06-25 15:50:19 -0500 Report

Hi Jesse. I thought zuchinni and tomatoes were healthy. I like to boil eggs in advance, put them in the fridge, and then eat the whites when I need to snack. And flavored tea or water. I don't drink much coffee anymore. It's great that you are working outside. Your body needs the sunshine for vitamin D, but don't get burned. Make sure you drink alot of water working outside. I don't last long in the heat. I have to come in every 30 minutes and cool off, then go out for another 30. I like the cold much better. Well, good luck. And also, this site has good snack recipes. Liquorish

Ladida 35
Ladida 35 2013-06-25 16:13:59 -0500 Report

Low Glycemic Index will help you with that. Glycemic Index is an email newsletter that is good. Consider going wheat/gluten free also. The GMO wheat of today makes you want to eat more so the Gluten Free Digest would be be very helpful. Loo why.k at YouTube for wheat belly and you'll understand

Jesse's derby
Jesse's derby 2013-06-25 21:46:13 -0500 Report

I don't know what "Loo why.k at YouTube for wheat belly and you'll understand" means. The glycemic index has helped me a lot. But I must admit I miss a baked potato now and again. And come 4th of July you can bet I am going to have a corn on the cob…but just one! Also another of my favorite foods gone…Tell me what your message means. I am an old hippie and I actually am enjoying going backward in time…I will do high fiber and vegetables a lot.

Ladida 35
Ladida 35 2013-06-28 07:52:00 -0500 Report

Sweet potatoes far better for you than white. Doesn't mean you can't enjoy one occasionally. Look at the videos about wheat. Dr Wm Davis and the South Beach Diet dr recommend being wheat and gluten free. Just like foods on the higher part of glycemic index will make you want to eat more when you've already had enough. Wait 10-15 minutes and see if you are still hungry. Do you it takes 20 minutes for you head to realize your stomach is full. Also alcohol can encourage you to think you want more. Eat slowly and mindfully. Being in front of the tv distracts you as well so you aren't aware of how much you are consuming.
Diana

Nick1962
Nick1962 2013-06-26 19:08:40 -0500 Report

I speak a little Ladida-ese. She means look on YouTube for videos/commentary on the book "Wheat Belly"

Jesse's derby
Jesse's derby 2013-06-25 15:57:14 -0500 Report

Funny you should say all of that! I just came in from the yard (starting to rain again, just a sun shower) and had a glass of ice cold ginger tea! I usually make it with peppermint from the garden. This is my first try of the ginger (real ginger slices). And, I am loving the recipes here…so enjoying experimenting with new flavorings. I am, however, not a fan of all the Splenda that is in some of the snack recipes. It really is a trade off…eat what's good for you or eat some weird chemical…??

Ladida 35
Ladida 35 2013-06-28 07:54:52 -0500 Report

Sweet n Low is far safer. Honey or agave also. The new articial sweeteners have not been around long enough to be deemed safe. Natural is better for us. Equal is dangerous for pregnant women! Enough said!

Nick1962
Nick1962 2013-06-25 11:19:54 -0500 Report

I’m sure there is some science or something chemical behind what you’re experiencing, but no, you’re not alone. I constantly have bouts of this – seems like no matter what I put in my mouth it either isn’t right or isn’t enough, and I just walk away unsatisfied.

For me anyway, it was usually due to one (or a combination) of three things:
Physical: You may indeed be burning up more calories and your body is wanting more. I know during the summer months (and the winter months when I lived up north) my blood sugars run about 2-3% lower. I’ve heard that vitamin/nutrient deficiencies can cause this also, but haven’t researched it.
Cravings: I’m not a sweet eater, but now and then just need some german chocolate cake. Just one or two tastes. Nothing “healthy” was going to fill that hole, and I sure wasn’t going to make a whole cake. Again, this could be the nutrient deficiency thing causing it, I noticed my cravings for things like chips and cheeseburgers go up when I’ve been cutting way back on sodium.
Emotional: Life is rarely all kitties and rainbows, and whether we know it or not, we’re usually under some form of mental stress. Eating for a lot of folks (myself included) is a nervous response or oral fixation just like smoking.

I haven’t learned any foolproof tricks to avoiding cravings, but try to minimize the damage by at least filling up on water or something healthy (like you have) until they pass. As long as I’m making my “seconds” something healthy and in reasonable amounts (like you did with zucchini and tomatoes), I really don’t worry about it.

Jesse's derby
Jesse's derby 2013-06-26 17:30:11 -0500 Report

Dr. Gary just responded to this discussion. It occurred to me that I skipped over the emotional part of your reply. I have been having an incredibly awful time of life lately. Just thought, "oh,well…it is a no kittie or rainbow day today." All the therapy programs talk about "stuffing your feelings". Well, yep…I have been stuffing my feelings down with food. On Monday I had taken as much as I possibly could from my very loud and angry tenant. I took back my own life by writing a letter telling her her behavior was no longer tolerable. Felt instant relief! Today I learned a neighbor had called the police due to her behavior. As with diabetes, we must be in charge of own lives. Feeling much better.

Nick1962
Nick1962 2013-06-26 19:12:37 -0500 Report

Glad that the situation came to the forefront where you could recognize and deal with it. Your comment "I'm not sleeping well" in your original post kind of tipped me off. 90% of the time if I'm not sleeping it's because some anger, fear, or frustration is rolling around in my head. Sometimes I recognize it, other times it's subtle and I can't. Mean kitties and black rainbows.

Jesse's derby
Jesse's derby 2013-06-26 19:22:14 -0500 Report

Mean neighbors screaming at each other…Even when they are quiet I wake at 2:30 a.m…internal clock I guess. But taking back my life. Don't know about this wheat belly thing. Must look at it more, I am an old hippie…I am so o.k. with whole wheat and adding fiber to meals. I don't overdo

Jesse's derby
Jesse's derby 2013-06-25 15:49:45 -0500 Report

Thank you so much! I knew I wasn't alone. I was a sweet eater but I have been changing my taste buds to spicy/flavorful things. It seems to be working as time moves a long. I am beginning to think it is the heat and the more physical exertion that caused this episode. Am consciously trying to eat more during the day when I am more active. My readings were a little high…but not enough to cause worry.

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