wheats, flour and grains

bayou girl
By bayou girl Latest Reply 2013-06-26 08:02:24 -0500
Started 2013-06-20 13:55:07 -0500

Since finding out i was a diabetic 17 years ago i have always been told, no white's of any, bread, pasta, rice etc. so i have always eaten wheat or whole grain bread, wheat, pasta, brown rice. today i read an article from this health, fitness and wellness magazine, it was called "Worth the WHEAT"?? It states that It is etremely fattening, WHAT?? that is not what i have been told, then It is extremely inflammatory, now that is great to know, and It is extremely addictive. It says that 2 slices of wheat bread raises blood sugar more than 2 tablespoons of regular rable sugar. that is horrible, they said it is addictive because of the opioid peptides found in wheat. it says for 6 weeks to try a 100% wheat/grain/gluten-free diet and see how you feel. Well i will try it, but then what do i bring for lunch now, it is usually turkey, or tuna or egg salad on wheat, and usually pretzels, my husband is a fisherman and gone for 3 to 4 days at a time, so i don't cook, at night it is usually a pork chop, or grilled shrimp, or grilled chicken that i do on george foreman and some vegetables, i hate left overs, so i bring sandwiches or just a couple of boiled eggs for lunch. I guess i need more ideas on what i could eat for lunch. what do ya'll think about all this??

23 replies

locarb 2013-06-25 00:04:56 -0500 Report

As others have stated here, I pass on it also. There have been several articles recently about the ingredients in food and the falsity of many food labels. I understand your frustration, but welcome to the "family". Many of us are here
due to food additives and inadequate nutrition in what we thought was "healthy" food. Remember the book "Thin Tastes Better"? Well so does feeling well, so
look for other choices and concentrate on your health rather than directing
rage against the inadequacy of Monsanto, and it's brethren, for altering food, crops and consequently public health. As you can see, it doesn't help you to
be right, but it will help you to take care of yourself and encourage others to
do the same.

Simcha's Mom
Simcha's Mom 2013-06-24 20:23:53 -0500 Report

Eating gluten free does not stop the carb addiction. I have diabetes, severe arthritis, HBP, fibro and a few other things. I have been sent from doctor to doctor with no help, as they alway s say the symptoms were caused by another disease, not by what they were treating. I discovered gluten free on my own and after the first few days I was doing so much better. My doc says the wheat we eat now has been so altered that it can actually can make us sick. Check out your local bakeries. Our town has two that I know of that have gluten free items. Also health food stores. But I amexperimenting with other sources. I have a great recipe that is made from cottage cheese! No grains at all.

Type1Lou 2013-06-24 14:46:39 -0500 Report

Like both Nick and IronOre mentioned, a carb is a carb is a carb whether it is white or brown or any other color. The key to controlling blood sugar lies in controlling how many carbs you are actually eating. That means becoming aware of the carb content of everything you eat. When I do permit myself to eat some bread (wish I love and really miss) it is one slice of thinly sliced 5-grain bread not more than several times per week. I never eat rice (high glycemic index) and rarely eat potatoes or corn. Nick's tip to snack on nuts vs pretzels is a good one since nuts are low to no carb. If you like to bake, try substituting the regular flour with almond flour…again, you'll be eliminating some of those carbs. I limit my carbs to 120 grams per day and have been able to maintain my weight at 120 lbs with my last A1c at 6.7. Some here on DC eat fewer carbs per day and others eat more. It certainly depends on your height (I'm 5'3" tall), body type (older) and activity level (moderately active). For lunch nearly every day I have one apple, cored and cut into 12 wedges and spread with all natural (just peanuts and salt) Peanut Butter. Depending on the size of the apple, that will run from 39 to 48 grams of carb. I have a scale that once you input the food code and weigh it, it will give you the carbs it contains…no more guessing on my apple! Wishing you well!

Nshawk4 2013-06-25 15:23:16 -0500 Report

Please tell me the brand of scale you have? I want one! Right now I use My Fitness Pal, but like the sound of a scale that tells me the carbs right then. Great input!

Type1Lou 2013-06-25 15:30:04 -0500 Report

The scale was given to me by a friend. The brand name is Chefmate and it's called a "Digital Nutrition Scale". It was purchased at a Target department store and, on the box it says "Distributed by Target Corporation." It operates on 2 AA batteries and displays 10 nutritional elements (including carbohydrates) as well as weight. I find it invaluable. I hope you can find one. If Target no longer carries it, I would Google under "Digital Nutritional Scale" to see what might be out there.

Nshawk4 2013-06-21 11:09:12 -0500 Report

I have not gone gluten free yet, but have been studying it and have friends doing it. There are lots of gluten free breads in the super markets here. The wheat grown in the USA was modified in the 1970's and is no longer the same wheat. When you add all the new pesticides used on wheat, we have n idea what we are getting. I lived in Australia for 23 years, moved back to the USA two years ago and have had trouble adjusting to the breads here as they all seem to be overly sweet to me. On a recent cooking show the Chef was making bread, and said when making bread it should only contain flour, yeast, salt, and water. If you are a label reader, you will know there are many more igredients in the breads here. I think gluten free will be worth trying. My friends on it all say how much better they feel and have more energy. It is an individual choice. Right now I am working on getting my blood levels consistent and to a normal level, then will have another look at gluten free. If you can read the book Wheat Belly, it is very interesting.

Nick1962 2013-06-21 10:47:06 -0500 Report

Nutrition seems to be ever evolving, especially when it comes to diabetics. The “no white” axiom was pretty much an “old school” attempt to move folks into slightly healthier eating habits. While whole grain anything is slightly healthier than processed white, a carb is a carb, is a carb, is a carb, and it just moves through you/spikes your blood sugar at a different rate.

I’ve learned to limit myself to 5 servings of bread/week (and remember, one serving of most breads is one slice). Things like egg, chicken, tuna salads I eat out of a container (usually with some lettuce, cukes and celery) and I often wrap meat and cheese with lettuce. Small tortillas (or half a large) work also. I also used to eat pretzels, but replaced them with unsalted nuts (higher protein and fiber) or celery sticks. Just a few suggestions.

denipink 2013-06-21 07:57:49 -0500 Report

Take a look at this:

Diabetes Diet: Healthy Whole Grain Recipes


And a bunch of really good recipes:


Also if you google "replace whole wheat grains lunch ideas" you will find all kinds of other good info and suggestions.

Oh, btw — as you will see when we eat properly including whole grains our weight stabilizes. All this dieting and images in the media is just a bunch of hocus pocus to get our hard earned dollars. Some people are very healthy and are just made to be on the larger side. My ex-doc's words ring in my ears. Denise, fat people are not necessarily unhealthy. Fat people are just fat. We are not just cookie cutter barbies…we are real live breathing creations with feelings heart and soul. We DON'T need to be made to feel that we are less than or inferior because we ALL don't look walk and talk like the Barbie and Ken dolls. lol.

off my podium now! If you want my help with something just holler.


bayou girl
bayou girl 2013-06-21 10:20:37 -0500 Report

thanks, and i have never been a barbie, no matter how i ate or dieted, my dr. told me when i was having my first child that i was a large boned person, i had a cousin that gained 70lbs for her first child, and i was so worried about that, that i ate good and did not gain 1 lb til i was 5 mths pregnant, and only gained a total of 12 lbs, my 2nd child, i did the same thing, but gained 23 lbs and had high blood sugars only during my pregnancy, then 7 years later find out i am a diabetic, i have always tried to stay on a good diet and stay healthy being a diabetic, and although i do pretty good, i can never loose weight, i have been the same size for about 10 years, and think it is the diabetes meds that do that.

Chuck Fisher
Chuck Fisher 2013-06-21 00:59:58 -0500 Report

As an alternative to wheat-based bread, you could try rye bread. There are both soft (like pumpernickel) and crunchy varieties. I like to have a slice with vegetable soup.

Although it is true that all carbs have calories (roughly 4 calories per gram) not all carbs have the same effect on blood glucose (BG) levels. You should look for low GI foods. An example is to eat oat-based cereal instead of corn flakes. Also rye bread in lieu of wheat-based bread.

Buy a kitchen scale that has nutrition values pre-loaded and weigh everything you eat. They display both carb and calories as well as other nutrients.

Here is good site with GI values: http://www.glycemicindex.com

bayou girl
bayou girl 2013-06-21 10:24:32 -0500 Report

I do like rye bread, and i think that is what i will change to, and i love homemade vegetable soup, thanks for your thoughts,

IronOre 2013-06-20 17:30:39 -0500 Report

Did you ever find out why they told you now whites of any kind ?
Carbs raise the blood sugar; no matter what color the food is . . . a carb is a carb

bayou girl
bayou girl 2013-06-21 10:26:43 -0500 Report

no i never really asked, except becasue of the carbs. i have never taken a nitrition class, which i should, and i will look it up at our local hospital, i know they offer it,

denipink 2013-06-21 07:43:39 -0500 Report

Nutrition really rings my bell…in fact, i study it.

Whites (breads, pasta, rice) are deplete of nutrients. All the whole grain has been stripped away (the nutritious parts) and the flour is bleached. This makes it a processed food and processed foods contain chemicals and additives that are not healthy. Whole grains use just that — the whole grain. Nothing stripped and nothing bleached. Just wholesome nutrition.

I avoid whole wheat grains because i am eliminating gluten from my diet. Since doing this and eating mostly Vegan, i feel much, much better. I have new energy i don't recall having since being a kid!

People on a Vegan diet have stabilized their weight and some have even reversed their diabetes. Doc Neal Barnard has written a book called, Program to Reverse Diabetes. I am reading it now.

:) Denise

IronOre 2013-06-24 00:35:25 -0500 Report

Why do you think you feel much much better since eating mostly vegan ?
What to you mean when you say that you study nutirtion ?

IronOre 2013-06-24 00:35:20 -0500 Report

Why do you think you feel much much better since eating mostly vegan ?
What to you mean when you say that you study nutirtion ?

bayou girl
bayou girl 2013-06-21 10:31:19 -0500 Report

4 years ago i was diagnosed with uterine cancer and was given 6 months to live, i am still here, and have been on all kinds of diets, because of diabetes and wanting to eat right becasue of the cancer, i tried just living of of broth's for a while, and still could not get my diabetes levels under 150, so i don't know that i would ever be that candidate to reverse diabetes, but i will invest in that book. between cancer and diabetes, i will do anything, thank you for the info