High level Healthy alternatives

By suzieq29 Latest Reply 2014-02-15 02:48:57 -0600
Started 2013-06-06 10:18:46 -0500

My sugar level this morning was 438 and was wondering if there is a healthy way to manage my diabetes. I don't like taking medicine that causes other problem. I'm a type 2 diabetic.

24 replies

kson2007 2014-02-15 02:48:57 -0600 Report

Have a nice day
i am facing problem when i taking insulin 6 units daily three times still i have high level of blood sugar after meals please guide me

GabbyPA 2013-06-10 11:11:33 -0500 Report

You have a lot of great input here. The thing is to start by following all the treatment plans you have. Meds, diet, exercise....etc. Then work on getting great numbers regularly. Then you can start to find out how weaning of the meds works. You want to do that with your doctor so they can advise you as you go. But the thing is that is may take some time. Be patient and log everything. That helps me the most when I need to make adjustments. I see the difference when I am not logging things, I get sloppy and so does my control.

snuggles11 2013-06-10 10:43:37 -0500 Report

I've totally Stop taking my medicine
Watching what I'm eating and I've been fine sugars I'm not that bad!
Everybody is different !
So please don't say when not taking your medicine could kill you!
It's not true!

Phillb80 2013-06-09 08:35:47 -0500 Report

Gym gym and more gym. I had high bs like you for a few months after I were diagnosed in jan with type 2. Was on metformin for a while which gave me severe back pain, the glipizide which I was also taking gave me intense headaches. I decided I was getting off the meds no matter what it takes. Now I workout minimally an hr a day an my blood sugar is often lower than it was when I was on the meds. This was a major confidence boat for me and now with my n new found fitness am in great shape and often forget I have diabetes. That been said, I do remember in the begining how constantly defeated, sad and alone I felt. My advice is: print out a list of the glycemic index of foods, try n get most of your carbs from fruit, eat around 20 carbs per meal (I was told initially 60 per meal but was way to much for me), combine your carbs with high protein foods, and most importantly work out. High intensity interval training worked best for me in the beginning in terms of dropping blood sugar substantial. I would do a 20 min workout video on YouTube. Once u see ur blood glucose coming down ilthrough exercise ill become obsessed with it - least I was. Anyway, all the best and good luck.

IronOre 2013-06-09 19:52:30 -0500 Report

You need to be careful because too little carbs can be unhealthy. Carbs are not something that you can do without, they are an essential building block for your body.
So how high did your BS get before you started working out.

locarb 2013-06-08 19:43:50 -0500 Report

As you know, each of us are biochemically unique. So whatever medical advice and medical advice you receive prevails; however, I've had good luck for the last few years with some relatively simple things. The first of which, as noted by others, controlling carbs is paramount. It's actually easy…once you get used to it. It's a matter of changing eating habits and other choices in life. I've also found that merely walking provides astounding decreases in blood glucose. I was diagnosed in 2010 and like many here, perhaps you, went immediately into disbelief. Since that time I've managed to maintain BG in the high 80's and 90's (with the occasional 100 or so). I don't take medication for Type 2.

Although I've managed to incorporate being more active these days, I take yoga classes twice a week and use a gym at least two additional days, I still find that merely walking works amazingly well. I don't think anyone needs expensive gym memberships or videos (unless, of course you enjoy those things) to get meaningful physical activity.

Fortunately, our tastes change in time and things that formerly were tempting to us no longer are. Be patient with yourself and monitor everything you're doing, testing, eating, level of activity, etc. You won't have to do that forever and you'll learn the unique balance that works for you, which may include medication (or not) including or avoiding certain foods, supplements and activities.

The most important thing to realize is that contrary to the opinion of some, this condition is NOT going away. I have no diabetic symptoms. BG is absolutely "normal" for over two years…however, rest assured that the first time that I resume the lifestyle that preceded this diagnosis will bring me right back there.

As a final precautionary comment, I'd like to echo what others have already told you here. Please see your doctor. Those numbers are way too high to treat without professional assistance.

All the best to you.

IronOre 2013-06-08 00:56:53 -0500 Report

I agree with the previous comments on carbs intake . . .
But I don't understand how you can associate taking medicene with unhealthiness, when not taking your medicene could kill you.

Bun10 2013-06-07 19:23:27 -0500 Report

SuzieQ, inquiring minds and sympathetic people want to know if you saw a doctor today. Being Friday night, most doctor offices are closed for the weekend. Good news is ER's and walk-in clinics or urgent care are open. You are so casual about a life threatening blood sugar. I wonder if you are a diabetic or just messing with us. If you are a diabetic, please follow up and let us know you are getting help and how your blood sugar is. You didn't mention what your A1C is. You should always know that number.

Graylin Bee
Graylin Bee 2013-06-07 01:14:43 -0500 Report

Hope you followed the advice to get some help to get your sugar level lowered. When I escaped from the hospital after weeks of living there, I was told go to the ER if my reading was ever 300 or higher. But that just goes to show that different doctors have different rules.
Since you said you don't eat much bread, maybe your high reading is from other foods. Bananas, potatoes, and corn are certain to give my high numbers. Other people have other foods that impact their readings. So maybe you could test before and after eating to try and see which foods can be spiking you. I will test every 15 minutes for three hours when I am checking out a food. Other people do it every 30 minutes for a couple of hours.
A sneaky food that spikes my BG is some salad dressings. The ingredient list looks the same. But if I eat an identical meal, except for the salad dressing, my morning BG could be 80 or more points higher.
I'll join the chorus about gluten free - the rice flour, potato starch, oat flour, whatever starch/flour that is used to replace wheat flour can be as bad or worse for causing high blood sugar or blood glucose. Oats spike me big time, as do the others. Some people can have oatmeal with no problem.
I stuck with meds when I had high numbers. Then like Nick and others, I learned if I avoid some foods I can be med free (for now). But, I did not try it until my numbers were regularly in the 80's to 110 fasting and 120's or lower two hours after eating. When I was having higher numbers I obeyed the dosing my doctors told me to go with.
Besides the reasons Nick lists for causing Diabetes, our cells might not have enough insulin receptors so no matter how much insulin we make they cannot take it in
Welcome to DC.

Bun10 2013-06-06 21:47:20 -0500 Report

435 is a scary number. You should see someone NOW. Not tomorrow. Why are you eating gluten free? Are you allergic to it? Diabetics stay away from enriched white flour and go the wheat route with lots of seeds. People on gluten free diets can't eat wheat. You need to talk to a nutritionist quickly. Nick is right. You can't walk around with a number that high while you think it over. If they were cutting your leg off, I'm pretty sure you would opt for anesthesia. Now is the time for you to start on a diabetic medication until you can get control of it and know what is healthy to Eat. There are good carbs and bad carbs. A baked potato and a baked sweet potato have the exact same amount of carbs. A white potato shoots sugar right in to your blood stream. A fibrous baked potato goes gradually avoiding high sugar spikes. It's really important to know which carbs you can and can't eat. Wow 435 is quite impressive. Find a doctor who can take care of you pdq.

ilovedragonflies 2013-06-06 16:24:49 -0500 Report

With your diabetes OUT OF CONTROL with counts high as 438, you are in great risk for a stroke or heart attack. I too began with really high numbers. I take oral medicines, watch my diet (less carbs) and walk a little. My counts are pretty normal now but at times they hike a little. I just have a difficult time taking my blood sugar three times a day. You need to talk with your doctor and see what he suggest to your concerns. Start there first!

suzieq29 2013-06-06 14:07:43 -0500 Report

Thanks Nick! I've gotten more out of you then I have from all the doctors I've been seen. I also have Lyme and I'm not sure if that has anything to do with my sugars. Thanks!

Nick1962 2013-06-06 16:45:12 -0500 Report

No need for thanks, I’m just passing on what I learned, and since I’m not a doctor, please, please, please tell me you’re going to see one.

Funny you mention Lyme’s. Depending on how it’s treated, and how long ago, about 20% of folks can suffer from “chronic Lyme” (or PTLDS - "Post-treatment Lyme Disease Syndrome") with symptoms that can last over 6 months beyond treatment. It’s not the Lyme’s infection proper, but it has some auto-immune compromising properties that can mimic it after things like infections. Since blood sugars react to just about any stress in the body, this can show up in higher levels.
I got it about 30 years ago during a group camping party and didn’t even know I had it until I (by accident) found out another member of our group was hospitalized with it. I was lucky, he was not – he now suffers from debilitating chronic fatigue. Since then I have had a lot of false positives on multiple medical tests including liver disease, pneumonia, fibromyalgia, and arthritis.

Have a heart-to-heart with a medical professional and ask them everything you’ve asked here. In fact start making a list of questions. You pay them big bucks for medical care that we here are just not qualified to give.

Nick1962 2013-06-06 12:15:22 -0500 Report

I’m going to go with Type1Lou here and say you really need to start looking at carb intake at the very minimum. Limiting bread, even gluten free, is just the tip of the iceberg. I’m not sure what you are looking for alternatives to specifically, but a 438 morning number is way past the point where just simple alternatives will be helpful.
I share your views on medication, but that number is something you really need to be talking to a doctor about first because something is really not right. Whether it’s your diet or some medical issue, most folks with that high a number usually end up on some medication as in interventional or temporary measure until things can be figured out. Had you said 200 or so, I’d be less concerned, but I think that number crosses the line where we can just offer friendly advice.

suzieq29 2013-06-06 12:51:06 -0500 Report

I was told a type two diabetic can eventually go off medicine if they control their diet when I asked my doctor if I could go off my medicine because I'm a type two they said I would never ever have to get off medicine I will be on it for life which doesn't make sense on why I'm a type two another type one I don't understand how they determine how they know if your a 1 or 2.

Type1Lou 2013-06-07 16:07:00 -0500 Report

The specific blood test to determine whether you produce any insulin at all is called C-peptide. If you do not produce insulin, you are a Type 1. Type 2's may still produce insulin but either not enough to properly metabolize the food eaten or, if a Type 2 produces enough insulin, the cells are resistant to it and prevent the sugar from being metabolized which is why it stays in the bloodstream, creating high BG levels. It is truly a complex disease and, like Nick said, many many factors may affect how any one individual deals with it. Again, I would encourage you to read the labels on any foods you buy to get an idea of how many carbs you are actually consuming. It will be a good starting point in managing your diabetes.

Nick1962 2013-06-06 14:00:59 -0500 Report

I totally forgot to welcome you to the group! So welcome!
It’s good you’re asking these questions, and hopefully doing some research on your own.

It is true some type 2’s (T2’s) will always be on some medication, because unlike a T1, who simply can’t manufacture their own insulin, there are many different subsets to T2 - Brittle, LADA, gestational, Type 1.5, and others related to things like insulin resistance or impaired liver or pancreatic function due to other medical issues that simply cannot be reversed. Then there are the lucky ones, like me, who simply need to drastically change their diet and not need any meds.

The tests to determine between T2 and T1 are pretty simple. It’s rare, but they can sometimes be misdiagnosed, and while a T1 can never become a T2, without proper care and attention, a T2 can become a T1. Either way, as a T2, it’s not something you can just guess at or feel your way through.

Every doctor has their own preferred method of treatment when it comes to diabetes. With a number like 438, some will automatically put you on medication to get that number down and buy you time until it can be figured out into which subset you fall. I was on meds for 30 days and hated it, but my numbers weren’t so dangerously high that my doctor couldn’t cut me some slack and let me try to manage through diet (which I did). Bottom line, I did it under medical care and advice, with visits every 3 months, until it was determined that my problem was diet, and I’ve since stayed off medication. For many here medications were only temporary until they lost weight.

Right now it seems like you weren’t given near enough information from your doctor and I’d really urge you to see him/her to find out just where you stand as a diabetic. If he/she says you need medication, ask why and for how long, as well as what changes to your diet might help. I’d even get a second opinion if you don’t like that answer, because no, you don’t necessarily need to be on meds the rest of your life.

I guess what I’m saying is, from what I’ve learned here and from my doctor, 438 is not a number you can diet your way out of and you need to get it checked and soon. It’s not emergency room high, but if you called any doctor’s office I’d bet they’d get you in that same day. We can talk more about diets and alternatives after that.

suzieq29 2013-06-06 10:55:29 -0500 Report

I don't track my carbs but I don't really eat that many carbs. I don't eat bread unless its gluten free. I will look into both books. Thanks so much!

NaoV1 2013-06-07 00:21:33 -0500 Report

Wow all these folks got GREAT advice! :) . . I do agree . . see a GOOD doc and get on some meds. It's not oogley (meds) just a change for the better. I don't like pills either, but I would rather take pills than be on life support for a lack of a better way to say it. Yes, some T2Ds can get off medication. Carbs come from many things. breads. fruits, junk food, drinks, I still SCREAM eat a meal, test your sugar 30 mins after and see where it is and find out if "certain" foods cause your sugar to rise. Make sure you get some good exercise daily, aerobic or cardio is the best to get you pumping, walking is better than nothing, releases good hormones and stress. Then also see a good doc. Get an A1C test also (3 months average) . . that too will tell you how "diabetic" you are and go from there. Check out the recipes here too. You may be surprised at the carbs you can have. Remember! Pain such as illnesses, etc. make sugars go up, sugar makes pain go up . . it's a circle. One must take care of oneself from everything from a mosquito bite to a stab even. You can have your cake and eat it too - - just not a whole cake !! LOL and good luck! :)

Type1Lou 2013-06-06 10:50:51 -0500 Report

Cut way back on the carbs you are eating. Carbs cause an increase in BG's, whether you are Type 2 or Type 1. Do you know how many you eat per meal/per day? A turning point for me was reading Dr Richard Bernstein's "Diabetes Solution". Also, of interest to you might be Suzi Cohen's "Diabetes Without Drugs". A BG of 438 is way too high and if not reduced, will cause serious, scary complications; at 438, I would feel sick and nauseous and sleepy. Hoping you get it back in control.