What Do You Think of "Cleanses"?

Gabby
By GabbyPA Latest Reply 2013-06-10 11:17:41 -0500
Started 2013-05-14 08:54:54 -0500

After reading so much on how our livers suffer because of the drugs we are on, I really became concerned about how to help my liver out. I considered a liver cleanse.

I have asked my doctor about the herbal cleanses that are offered in the health food stores and he pretty much said they are bunk. But then, he pushes drugs when ever he can…so I do consider my source. For years I have been tempted to do one and I finally started this week. My husband and I are doing what is called a "First Cleanse" and it is only a two week process. It is supposed to introduce our bodies to a gentle cleanse of our liver, lungs, lymphatic system, kidneys, skin, blood and bowel. (which may also be why my cold seemed to last so long, as cold like symptoms often occur after the first two days and last for about two days more)

The main thing is to eat healthy, as I already do. Keeping wheat out, which I have been doing for a while now, and to eat lots of veggies. So far, besides the cold side effects, there have been no ill effects like I feared, such as cramping or loose stools.

A friend of mine who studies medicinal herbs said that the fact that our bodies are expelling junk trough coughing, sweating, runny noses and eyes is a sign that the body is working the way it should.

I was wondering if any of you had done them in the past and how you felt when it was over. We have only been doing it for less than a week. So no info from me on that part yet. But I have heard some people say that when they are not doing a cleanse, they feel bad. I don't want to do this perpetually, but just once in a while to clean house, so to speak.


42 replies

Gabby
GabbyPA 2013-06-10 11:17:41 -0500 Report

There is no drinking of carbs. You take an herbal pill and make sure you drink a lot of water.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2013-06-03 05:10:27 -0500 Report

My update is that I had an unexpected event happen and have stopped the discipline of the cleanse. We were a little over half way through, but hope to restart it when we get back home.

What I did notice is that I felt like I had more energy and my skin cleared up nicely. I don't know how to say it did anything else for us, but I would like to try it all the way through to make that determination.

Stuart1966
Stuart1966 2013-05-21 12:35:10 -0500 Report

Gabby:
With respect, they are a total waste of time, money and effort. However, things which change our habits even temporarily could have value, bring us an awareness we did not possess before. Myself, I would FAST, if the circumstances allowed, but cleanse… unfortunately scams.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2013-05-23 09:02:38 -0500 Report

Yes, I do like fasting as well and I think I can do that also. Shoot, getting in to see my doctor for labs sometimes turns into an all day fast. But you are right. It's also good for some heightened discipline.

DaveTeertstra
DaveTeertstra 2013-05-17 19:13:09 -0500 Report

One of the problems is that there are so many health claims not backed by measurement. I just saw a weight-reduction ad for "apple fiber capsules that melt fat away". Unbelievable! What makes you think there is something wrong with your liver? How do you test your claim? For now, the main strategy is to analyze the body and its organs and molecules, then to analyze food and then to make sure to eat high-nutrition food. Realizing that we are made of the materials of the Earth, and that the molecules of an eaten plant become our molecules, the main dietary strategy is to eat natural foods rather than processed foods which have had the nutrient stripped out. Fortunately, anyone can look up the nutritional content of food. I just looked up young coconut and found an incredible source of balanced nutrient! Many plants and fruits are natural multivitamins, with all the ions our cells need to function. Best wishes, DKTeertstra TheInsulinProject.ca

Gabby
GabbyPA 2013-05-21 00:56:21 -0500 Report

My liver function for now is showing fine in my lipid panel. However, with all the drugs it has to filter out, is no harm in giving it a boost. I already eat pretty healthy, coconut water and all. I am not doing it to melt away fat or anything like that, just to help flush some of the toxins that everyday things add to my body.

Konidog
Konidog 2013-05-17 16:48:23 -0500 Report

I haven't heard anything about a liver cleanse. I'm a nurse and you are right.about doctors…they aren't into herbs and cleanses. I'm switching to a "Christian" doctor who practices holistic medicine. Tired of all the medicines. Good luck. Keep me posted how you do. Koni

Acousins
Acousins 2013-05-17 08:53:09 -0500 Report

Hello for myself I use Milk Thistle to help me with my liver and cleaning… It helps me… I have my liver tested every 6 months and all signs are great… Look it up online and see its uses and see if it works for you… But still follow what your doctors say but also find what works for you too… Good Luck

Bun10
Bun10 2013-06-08 13:18:00 -0500 Report

Did you have liver problems before and the cleansing helped or, has your liver always been great?

RachelChavez
RachelChavez 2013-05-16 15:48:32 -0500 Report

I've tried a few 'cleanses' but I think my favorite so far has been the juice cleanse. We have a juicer and every couple of months we take a few days and just drink only fresh juice (from fruits and veggies). Since we eat pretty healthy usually, these juice cleanses don't give us the typical unpleasant side effects (headaches, digestive issues, stomach cramps, etc.). I do however feel like they help us get rid of any toxins or junk we have built up in our bodies and 'restart' a little. During and after the cleanse I feel more energized, more alert, and I feel like I sleep better.

I can't wait to hear how yours goes! Are you taking a tablet for it? Is it just a diet thing? I have heard that some cleanses can react badly with certain medications though, how did you check that for the one you are doing?

dutchiev
dutchiev 2013-05-22 16:37:13 -0500 Report

I WAS going to get a juicer but my friend told me that I would need the fibre and if I want to drink my fruits it would be better to just get a good blender and drink pulp and all.

dutchiev
dutchiev 2013-05-22 16:37:13 -0500 Report

I WAS going to get a juicer but my friend told me that I would need the fibre and if I want to drink my fruits it would be better to just get a good blender and drink pulp and all.

mary, the diabetes lady
mary, the diabetes lady 2013-05-18 17:17:43 -0500 Report

Rachel, one thing I would caution you on especially if anyone in your family has diabetes (type 1 or 2). When you make fruit drinks even when it's from "fresh" fruit what you are doing is taking out the fiber. All you have left is the fructose - the sugar of the fruit. Drinking fresh fruit juice or any type of fruit juice is truly drinking sugar. When you do that, you signal your pancreas to produce lots and lots of insulin in order to displace all that sugar. Doing this over time leads to inflammation and actually does more harm to the body than good.
Fruit in it's natural state has sugar but it also has plenty of fiber. When you squeeze the juice from let's say an orange, you are pulling only the sugar out of the orange along with whatever small amount of vitamin C as well. If you eat the whole orange, the fibers of the orange slow down the absorption of the sugars in the orange which means that the glycemic load of that orange is greatly reduced and it enables your pancreas to produce enough insulin on a slow drip basis instead of a huge rush that comes with ingesting the sugar that comes from the juice. Eat the entire piece of fruit matter of fact eat the entire veggie too.
Hope this helps.

RachelChavez
RachelChavez 2013-05-21 22:18:01 -0500 Report

Mary, thank you so much for the information. When I do our juicing I use 90-95% veggies and will throw in an apple or a handful of strawberries to help with the taste. This is good information to have though, I appreciate the time you took to inform me :) It's always so nice to get help from the good people here!

Gabby
GabbyPA 2013-05-16 19:24:31 -0500 Report

I don't have a juicer and juice and I just have never been friends. I do better when I have to eat my food. Doing liquid diets or even meal replacements always leaves me empty and then I end up eating and just adding to the calories that way. I thought a capsule would work better for me. I eat pretty healthy as a rule, so I have not had any of the really bad effects I worried about. So that is good. I am doing this one, which is mild, to get ready to do a liver specific one. That one is 30 days.

I have been sleeping better, that is a HUGE plus. I can't say I have more energy at this time, because we just had a nasty cold go through the house. So I am hoping my second week will prove to have some results in that way. More energy will be very good.

You know, I didn't check it against meds. I have certain herbs I cannot take, with other combinations that I am aware of (the hard way I might add) I think I can go to WebMD and do that or Drugs.com. I have not had any adverse reactions to taking it. But I didn't have adverse reactions to eating grapefruit while on Lisinopril. I just found out from here that it was a no-no. I also have a great pharmacist that I can talk to about it.

RachelChavez
RachelChavez 2013-05-21 22:20:22 -0500 Report

Gabby, I completely understand about the liquid diet replacements. That's one of the reasons we will only do the 'juice fast' for 2-3 days and stop when we feel like we got what we needed. I'm glad to hear you've got a good pharmacist you can get advice from, it's nice to not have to go to the doctor every time you have a question.

slopez1122
slopez1122 2013-05-18 16:04:27 -0500 Report

Hi, I'm new to this place and am very interested in the green tea,cucumber, mint drink. What other ingredients are needed and what is it for? Thanks for the info, have a great day. Looking forward to becoming friends with you guys.
My name is sandy, from Texas and I've had type 2 diabetes for 12 years now.

Tony5657
Tony5657 2013-05-15 21:40:03 -0500 Report

I take 1 capsule daily of Milk Thistle herb extract (Silybum marianum) produced by the Solgar company for my liver. It consists of:
Standardized milk thistle extract (aerial, seed) (total flavonoids including silymarin 140 mg [80%]) …175 mg AND
Raw Milk Thistle Powder (aerial)…300 mg

Quoting Dr. Stefan Ripich ND, CNP "Milk Thistle also known as silymarin has been used for more than 2,000 years to protect the liver from damage & help it regenerate healthy cells. Multiple studies show that milk thistle is effective in protecting the liver from environmental toxins, including long-term alcohol use, plus pharmaceutical & over-the-counter drugs. Milk thistle's magic lies in the seeds that hold its active ingredient, flavonolignans, which actually alter cell membranes so that only tiny amounts of toxins can enter liver cells. It also stimulates protein synthesis for regeneration & repair of liver cells. In addition, these seeds contain essential fatty acids that serve as anti-inflammatory compounds in the liver. Professional herbalists & alternative practitioners often recommend milk thistle as an herbal tincture for liver cleansing & healing - but you can also benefit from the capsule form. By stimulating the flow of bile through the liver, digestion improves along with elimination."

I would value comments from people with degrees in the medical field. Not merely opinions of non-professionals. Thank you.

A quivering liver ain't good. Ya gotta luv ya liver! You only have one. :o)
Tony5657 in New Braunfels, TX

Gabby
GabbyPA 2013-05-16 19:27:37 -0500 Report

That is the 6th ingredient in this particular cleanse. Way high on the list, as it's a long list. There is also a Blessed Thistle Herb. I had not heard of that one before. Have you?

Tony5657
Tony5657 2013-05-20 17:10:36 -0500 Report

No, I'll try to find out what it is. Thanks for the info.!!!!!!

Tony5657
Tony5657 2013-05-20 17:51:41 -0500 Report

Sorry, I can't figure out to delete my duplicate posting above so there it is.

OK, I found some info from the Xymogen web site. They are a pharmaceutical grade of vitamins/supplements. Way above normal "store bought" ones. These are labeled "Professional Use Only." This may be the "Blessed Thistle Herb" you mentioned. I did a search for it on their site & found
Xymogen has a product called "Liver Protect" Here's the info:
Liver Protect™ contains the amino acid N-acetyl-cysteine, a key component of glutathione—a tripeptide that plays a significant role in detoxification and antioxidant support. Liver Protect also contains a combination of alpha-lipoic acid, silymarin from milk thistle, and selenium for support of antioxidant activity, regeneration of other antioxidants, and promotion of healthy immune function.*
Available in 60 capsules and 120 capsules.
SUPPLEMENT FACTS Serving Size: 1 Capsule
Amount Per Serving % Daily Value
Selenium (as L-selenomethionine)
100 mcg 143%
Milk Thistle Extract (Silybum marianum)(seed)(80% silymarin) 262.5 mg **
Alpha-Lipoic Acid 200 mg
** N-Acetyl-L-Cysteine 200 mg **
Their web site is https://www.xymogen.com/products/product-deta...
& I'll be ordering from this in the future. I would be interested in hearing of any of you who have naturopathic medical degrees.Thanks Gabby for bringing this to my attention.
Tony5657 in New Braunfels, TX

re1ndeer
re1ndeer 2013-05-15 18:11:48 -0500 Report

My personal belief is that if we do "cleanses," to our bodies. We upset the natural balance of the good bacteria that is there .

dutchiev
dutchiev 2013-05-22 16:40:30 -0500 Report

I only do it for one meal. I hate breakfast and would only do it for that meal.And maybe for lunch but never for a full day.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2013-05-16 19:29:40 -0500 Report

It's not a harsh cleanse with killing in mind. It's geared to allow the body to use what it has to help get junk out more effectively. I think that we do enough of our own killing of our good bacteria with what we consume on a regular basis. Specially if we eat any amount of processed foods.

Tony5657
Tony5657 2013-05-31 05:47:53 -0500 Report

Gabby & Joyce, I totally agree. That's why I take great pains to learn how to aid my 69 year old body in its ability to heal itself. I'm from a farming family and know that tons of chemicals were used on the plants. Pesticides, herbicides, fertilizers, fungicides, etc., are constantly sprayed on the plants, manually and via small airplanes called crop "dusters/sprayers." In packing the produce for shipping, they were only sprayed with enough water to remove dirt. I used to visit the packing sheds and watch the workers pack the produce. They were from Mexico, so most of them spoke no English. They were under pressure to pack the produce quickly and load it into the train cars or trucks for shipping.

Maybe my "reply" above regarding a liver "helper" is in the wrong discussion. I don't think it should be labeled as a "cleanser." It's to help strengthen the liver's ability to do its "cleansing" job for our body.

Above in my May 20 reply, I mentioned that the Xymogen company has a product called "Liver Protect", which I use. Their web site link is also mentioned in my long May 20 "reply" above. Again, this company produces pharmaceutical grades of vitamins/supplements, which are regulated. I'd never trust "store bought" ones, many of which are foreign made.

Love and hugs to your livers :o) Tony5657 in New Braunfels, TX

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2013-05-14 20:13:17 -0500 Report

My former boss is a Certified Holistic Nurse. We use discuss these kinds of things at lunch all the time. She said first and foremost be careful of what you buy in GNC and other stores like that as some of the stuff was not made in this country.

I have a friend who Majored in Botany and Chemistry. She always post natural cleansers for liver, fat and other kinds of cleanses on her facebook page with the recipes. I have not tried them as yet and have been considering it.

Tony5657
Tony5657 2013-05-20 18:04:08 -0500 Report

Thanks Joyce. We have to be careful what we put into our bodies. Grocery store & drug store vitamins & supplements are not the best options. They're not controlled by "anything."
Tony5657 in New Braunfels, TX

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2013-05-20 19:44:10 -0500 Report

When the Flea Market was raided, one of the people who was caught was a man who had been there for over 15 years selling Herbal cures, vitamins and supplements. The FDA nabbed him because everything he had was either from China or other foreign countries. The stuff was not safe but people who use those kinds of products spent a fortune on what he sold. Like you said we do have to be careful of what we put into our bodies. They are not controlled at all.

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2013-05-20 19:43:40 -0500 Report

When the Flea Market was raided, one of the people who was caught was a man who had been there for over 15 years selling Herbal cures, vitamins and supplements. The FDA nabbed him because everything he had was either from China or other foreign countries. The stuff was not safe but people who use those kinds of products spent a fortune on what he sold. Like you said we do have to be careful of what we put into our bodies. They are not controlled at all.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2013-05-16 19:14:50 -0500 Report

This one is Herbal and from my local health food store and is made in the USA. The brand is "Renew Life". I had done some research online about satisfactions and talked to one of the employees in the shop. They have an information station that is very helpful.

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2013-05-16 19:58:15 -0500 Report

The goal of the employee in the store is to sell the product. In many cases they will say there is nothing wrong with it. I like information independent of the person selling the product or what they have in the store.

IronOre
IronOre 2013-05-14 18:26:44 -0500 Report

I heard from more than one sourse that the "cleansers" are pretty much junk.
What is the way I expell my junk ? the same way everybody else does, but I could use more fiber.

Tony5657
Tony5657 2013-05-20 18:08:25 -0500 Report

IronOre, what you said is crap, NOT all cleansers are junk. There are natural cleansers but you have to do the research and go to reputable sources. It takes time & effort. Don't criticize things you know nothing about.
Tony5657 in New Braunfels, TX

Gabby
GabbyPA 2013-05-16 19:16:07 -0500 Report

I pretty much eat healthy already. But I still do eat some processed foods and things I just know have hidden junk in them. I was amazed at how much the turmeric I have been taking was helping and thought maybe it is time to do something a little more.

sNerTs1
sNerTs1 2013-05-14 11:45:26 -0500 Report

I have been drinking a "cleansing" drink for awhile now. Its made of green tea, oranges, and mint. The other drink I make is with green tea, cucumbers and lemon. This is all that I have tried so far. I have lost some weight, I believe it is because of this but I am not sure as I have started getting out more and doing things.

What I DO notice is this … there is no real polite way to say this so please excuse me ~ I was always a "regular" person until I started the Glimiperide then I noticed I was a little bit on the constipated side, harder to express? AUGH not sure how to put that and I hope you understand. I was going to make the drink today and try it to see if it will help with that. I didnt notice this problem until I changed meds. And at first I loved it because Metformin kept me in the bathroom all dang day from the "runs"

Hope this helps with your research …

*Hugs* Cheryl

Gabby
GabbyPA 2013-05-16 19:35:33 -0500 Report

Oh the joys of meds. Yes, I have read that there are many medicines that create constipation in our bodies. Most of them are pain meds, but there are others...or they do the opposite. My doctor told me one day that medicines are just low doses of poison. I was shocked that he said that. Not that I disagree, I was just surprised.
I like the idea of your green tea and cucumber and lemon mixture. How do you incorporate the cucumber in there? I have made a cucumber, lime and mint smoothie that lowered my BG pretty good. Is it something like that?

sNerTs1
sNerTs1 2013-05-16 19:50:35 -0500 Report

I would think its similar to that, yes. I make the green tea with my ice tea machine, add some purified water, slice the cucumbers and limes and add them to the tea along with the mint. I let it fuse overnight for the next days use. I feel better on it. I'm not sure if its this that is helping me with weight loss or the mere fact that changing my meds have allowed me to get out of the house and much more active. Metformin kept me close to the bathroom always.

IronOre
IronOre 2013-05-16 12:18:48 -0500 Report

How do you that that these drinks are what is making the differnce.?