Help settle debate

By NonnieCee Latest Reply 2013-04-02 19:14:50 -0500
Started 2013-03-29 11:19:48 -0500

I was having lunch with two non-PWD. They noticed my change in menu choice and the whole "I have T2" discussion started. When I shared the improvement in my numbers, one said, "Oh good, you're only a little bit diabetic!" To which the other replied that being diabetic was like being pregnant - you either are or you're not. They asked me which one was right. Idk so I told them I would ask y'all since some of you have been dealing with this a lot longer that I have. What are your thoughts?

28 replies

Nana_anna 2013-04-02 13:06:51 -0500 Report

I always hate it when men especially compare things with pregnancies! That is not a thing to compare anything with. It's a thing all by it self. Until you have been through, you won't know what it feels like. Yeah it takes two, but…okay, on the other hand, once a diabetic always a diabetic, until the good Lord heals you from it! We can prevent it from happening or not, it just appears. We don't automatically get it, unless you are born with it. It's part of taking care of ourselfs the best way that we can. Once you have it, depending on which type, and how severe, it may be. Its with you when you have it, and you know you have it before going to the Dr. at least I did.

NonnieCee 2013-04-02 19:14:50 -0500 Report

It was just us girls talking at that lunch and had I taken better care of myself I may have delayed diabetes but I think I would still developed it just due to family history.

Nick1962 2013-04-01 11:02:42 -0500 Report

In my opinion, yes, you can be, but I think it’s more a case of semantics than anything else. The pregnant/not pregnant comparison just doesn’t work in my view. There is a multitude of ways to contract diabetes, and in varying degrees as already discussed. There is only one way to get pregnant (well, two if you count divine intervention).

There are those like myself whose diabetes is (at least at this point) purely diet related. I can control it fairly easily. There are others here of similar age/ethnicity/weight/sex/diet who simply cannot without medication. For them it is a physiological issue. I could say in comparison I am “less diabetic” at this point, but could become increasingly “more diabetic” should my pancreas or other related organs begin to fail.

As for the “once diabetic-always diabetic” mantra, I’m not sure I agree with that either. Call me a radical, but yes, if I went back to eating all that crap I did 5 years ago I’d be diabetic “again”. But hey, it wasn’t a good diet by a far sight and anyone who follows it is likely to become diabetic “by the numbers” whether they get diagnosed or not. Heck, if you set up a testing booth outside of a fast food restaurant, I’d be willing to bet you’d catch undiagnosed diabetics left and right. What we eat today is so far beyond the realm of “healthy” it’s stupid. I’ve had this discussion with my PCP who recently moved my condition into the “past issues” column. Aside from routine BG’s, A1c, FPG, and OGT, (which I pass as normal) there is not another test that says you have diabetes definitively (like a pregnancy test).

Again, probably didn’t settle any debate with this, and it’s just words I guess, but I am glad to be less diabetic than some of you whether you chose to call me that or not.

raccoon mana
raccoon mana 2013-03-30 13:44:07 -0500 Report

thats like saying your a little bit pregnant. either you are or you arent.

jayabee52 2013-03-30 13:53:31 -0500 Report

I am not sure the pregnancy illustration is the best one to use when speaking of diabetes.

One can have pre diabetes and can, with attention to what is eaten and lifestyle changes, can avoid going into full blown type 2.

Graylin Bee
Graylin Bee 2013-03-30 17:32:12 -0500 Report

Or, avoid getting MRSA, or some other illness, which pushes you over the pre line into now you have it. Just saying that's what worked for me to join the PWD club. My Dad never qualified. His BG would go high whenever he had infections, made easier to occur due to our mutual bad leg vein pumps. But he never passed the pre D limit. Guess I just had to out do him in something.

jimLE 2013-03-30 12:20:20 -0500 Report

it's like others have are,or your not..theres no in betweens when it comes to your friend said.your pregnet ot not pregnat

Type1Lou 2013-03-30 12:49:41 -0500 Report

But, like pregnancy, we can be at different stages of diabetes and the care of our condition may vary, depending on what other factors may be in play. That's why it's important to learn as much as we can about our diabetes and how it affects each of us, individually, whether we are Type 1, Type 1.5, Type 2, LADA, or gestational.

NonnieCee 2013-03-30 08:15:19 -0500 Report

lol, I know that feeling. I'm about to learn how tech challenged I really am when my youngest goes off to college in the fall and I have to figure all this out on my own.

NonnieCee 2013-03-29 14:00:11 -0500 Report

I haven't got the hang of the way the thread works but thanks to everyone for your help.

jayabee52 2013-03-29 14:52:47 -0500 Report

I note from your profile you are using a smartphone app to access DC. That may be part of your difficluty at knowing how the threads work. There are little "reply" links below each posting which opens a new text box in which to reply.

For some reason those links are not seen in the app, either because they are not there, or because the link is so small and faint that it is not legible. ( I have no experience with those apps.)

NonnieCee 2013-03-29 20:41:16 -0500 Report

Ok good. My laptop should be out of the shop soon. Maybe then I won't look like such an airhead.

Graylin Bee
Graylin Bee 2013-03-29 20:53:31 -0500 Report

I manage to be an airhead on my laptop and smartphone. I am begining to think it might not just be electronic in my case.

jayabee52 2013-03-30 12:28:50 -0500 Report

as they say in the car repair industry "the only problem in this car is the nut behind the wheel." Would that be kinda the computer equivalent of that? LoL!

NonnieCee 2013-03-29 13:58:12 -0500 Report

I'm sorry to hear that. Thanks for sharing the real and honest info. I've learned a lot on DC and it is real nice to have others to ask questions.

NonnieCee 2013-03-29 13:27:18 -0500 Report

We did discuss my father-in-law who was just put on dialysis due to the damage diabetes has done to his kidneys. He didn't take his situation seriously and it has just about killed him. He would eat whatever he wanted and only took his meds when he felt like he needed them.

I on the other hand knew something was wrong with the unexplained weight loss, weird hot flashes after eating and excessive hair loss. I asked the dr to add a1c to routine cholesterol labs. I watch what I eat, exercise and take my meds religiously. I watched family members struggle and I don't want to be like them or him.

I was stunned and hadn't really thought about it until they brought it up. I think now that it doesn't matter if a little bit or a whole lot, diabetes is serious and needs to be taken seriously at all times.

jayabee52 2013-03-29 13:47:29 -0500 Report

to be sure at all times! And I didn't for much of my life with diabetes, that is why I have to take dialysis treatments and have burning neuropathy in my feet! I also have other "medical challenges" which are quite likely due to the diabetes as well.

jayabee52 2013-03-29 11:57:16 -0500 Report

Howdy NonnyCee

I used to hold to the belief that there was no pre-diabetes that one is either has diabetes or one does not. In fact when I first came on DC in 2009, I experessed that opinion several times. So I did kinda believe like your 2nd friend who used pregnancy as a simile.

I no longer hold that view. and I believe NEITHER of your friends is correct.

If one has pre-diabetes then your first friend is correct, but since you said that you crossed the "magical" line between pre diabetes and full blown diabetes neither is correct.

Perhaps your first friend was mistaking the difference between type 1 and type 2. With type 1 being the "serious" diabetes, and type 2 being the "little bit" (not all that serious) disease. I would explain to them that BOTH types are serious business and can give the same effects on the body and its functioning.

The main thing is to know that one has it and act accordingly, which you did which triggered that discussion. I pray that you used that opportunity to urge THEM to get tested for diabetes. After all we just observed Diabetes Awareness day!